That's great stuff.
Relocating to Romania
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That's great stuff.
I don't know where your got your information from (regarding Romania not having vax mandates)?
Virtually all post-Communist countries have some mandatory vaccines for children. No, you cannot op out. If you try, the local child protection (with police escort) will come knocking on your door - and you may loose your child if you continue resisting.
Eastern Europe is a terrible place for a Western expat.
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Cornelius V.E.
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I have a feeling this guy is a troll...Not a very good representative for the Latins.
My only child (so far) was born in Romania and is not vaccinated. There are entire communities of people in certain villages (with strong intentional Orthodox communities) where everyone refused to vaccinate their kids. This Latin is giving wrong information.
I wasn't born yesterday:
Is this a joke?
Even if that were true which it isn’t, it is one of the easier places to get vaccination on record while the actual vaccine ends up in the garbage can instead of one’s arm.
Got to take issue with this. I've been to poor neighborhoods in EE (Poland specifically) and I've never felt unsafe in the way I do at night in multicultural UK cities. I'm not suggesting they aren't ever dangerous or that everyone in them is a good samaritan - but there isn't that sense of dread and 'dog eat dog' vibe.
Get into the western suburbs of Melbourne or Sydney Australia at night or Paris, France, or New York LA or SF and you wish you were in ghetto Poland. That poster is either an agent provacaseur or a loon so best to ignore as most big cities around the world are horrible.
Countryside not so much but the drug problem has taken over even the nicest of towns by now.
Honestly, just go there for a couple of weeks and see if you even like the people. If you want to live in Romania, you should become Romanian.
If you really want to get away from Western gayness, you should probably go to Russia or Belarus to begin with.
Romanians are a very peculiar people, and you won't pick up the language as easy as other Romance languages because there is less material to learn with out there and the spoken dialects can make it hard to follow. I grew up around Transilvanians and the first time I spent with a mitic from Bucharest I didn't understand a word.
Romanians are super parochial people and essentially exist for their families. They don't easily let people into their circles, and once they do, it's not quite unlikely that they will be all up in your business for the rest of your life. I grew up entirely in the diaspora and my family is still very much like that. They also tend to expect favors to a degree that might feel weird for people from the West.
I think that's worth mentioning because a lot of people basically just view places in the world as basically the same with some variation in geographical and political parameters, but different societies could often be like a different planet.
The question you should ask yourself is: Do you know any Romanians? Do you like them? What do you know and understand about Romania? Is that something you want to be a part of?
It's true that Romanian society is a little more resistant to globalist schemes, but they are not exempt from them. The media was still pretty vicious to Orthodox about the jab (among other things) and they also had the phenomenon of families being divided over it. And for some reason, atheists in Orthodox countries appear to be even more vicious than the ones we have here. Really odious people.
If you come from a Western country, there is a lot that you won't have any more in Romania and it's easy to feel like a stranger there. It depends on whether you find yourself able to love the land and the people enough to compensate for that. Maybe Romanians won't alienate you solely because of the jab thing as much, but depending on where you are, they just might. And they might alienate your for a million other reasons, frankly. It can vary hugely from person to person.
If you really want to get away from Western gayness, you should probably go to Russia or Belarus to begin with.
Romanians are a very peculiar people, and you won't pick up the language as easy as other Romance languages because there is less material to learn with out there and the spoken dialects can make it hard to follow. I grew up around Transilvanians and the first time I spent with a mitic from Bucharest I didn't understand a word.
Romanians are super parochial people and essentially exist for their families. They don't easily let people into their circles, and once they do, it's not quite unlikely that they will be all up in your business for the rest of your life. I grew up entirely in the diaspora and my family is still very much like that. They also tend to expect favors to a degree that might feel weird for people from the West.
I think that's worth mentioning because a lot of people basically just view places in the world as basically the same with some variation in geographical and political parameters, but different societies could often be like a different planet.
The question you should ask yourself is: Do you know any Romanians? Do you like them? What do you know and understand about Romania? Is that something you want to be a part of?
It's true that Romanian society is a little more resistant to globalist schemes, but they are not exempt from them. The media was still pretty vicious to Orthodox about the jab (among other things) and they also had the phenomenon of families being divided over it. And for some reason, atheists in Orthodox countries appear to be even more vicious than the ones we have here. Really odious people.
If you come from a Western country, there is a lot that you won't have any more in Romania and it's easy to feel like a stranger there. It depends on whether you find yourself able to love the land and the people enough to compensate for that. Maybe Romanians won't alienate you solely because of the jab thing as much, but depending on where you are, they just might. And they might alienate your for a million other reasons, frankly. It can vary hugely from person to person.
Thanks for the post. I found it very interesting and while I wasn't there long enough to truly be able to tell, I liked the people but am guessing to a great degree, you are correct on the topics you treated, as a general rule.
People have to realize that there have to be significant draws to a country to really consider going there or actually going there, and to be quite honest as a westerner, I think that means you are easily able to arbitrage it to your favor (extensively) or it's not going to be worth it overall. That means both elevating yourself above their better cost of living, and also having a huge advantage financially over locals on the women angle. Why do I say that? You're an outsider. Most of these are former communist/soviet satellites. The language isn't easy, even if it isn't all that hard - and typically it's esoteric or fairly useless otherwise. That means it's already a tall order because you will be in a place that you didn't grow up in, aren't fluent in the language, and it has tricks or shyster, nonsense behavior that are either plainly stupid or common for poor places and former communist countries. Stuff you're not used to at all. The equivalent would be the insanely idiotic inability for simple tasks or interaction with service people in LatAm, which is a lower IQ version of human stupidity or nonsense.
I'll be quite honest, as I am direct on the forum and most know this my style (I think most of you are the same way): If one doesn't have a huge edge in attracting and maintaining women for a family, there's essentially no point in going to another place, apart from making it an extended vacation culture and weather spot that you happen to like. You can be Orthodox here and work out your salvation, but a suitable wife that actually improves your life (somewhat) and family that you believe is worth all the costs doesn't really exist here unless you already chose that path and won that lottery in your life.
I also know particular people who are from there, and they know I'd consider going or being with a Romanian girl (as an outside possibility), but they seem to do the same thing that I've noticed with married people, which is talk about knowing people but never actually doing anything to help anyone outside their family sphere/bubble. The only reason I bring this up is because it actually doesn't take that much effort to just introduce people, and they literally told me to my face that they knew women in late 20s or turning 30 that are ignored because men over there are normal and don't pay mind to older spinsters anymore. One would think that would at least present an obvious attempt to help your girl friend, but it never happens. It could be for all sorts of reasons but I find it hard to believe that someone who isn't getting attention in her own shithole country wouldn't like to meet a successful guy from the west. It's sort of the world I'm in a bubble problem in a nutshell. Again, I'm not saying anyone owes me anything, I just find it rather astounding how little people will act on obvious conclusions to even attempt a favor for several potentially interested parties.
One final anecdote (this was the original intent of this post,
). I was talking to a friend of a friend after eating and having a few drinks over there. I thought the guy was Orthodox (and he was by family, culturally, sorta) but he later claimed he didn't really believe in anything. I was pretty surprised (until I found out he claimed he was atheist) that he fought against the JQ when he brought up a silly US politician who I pointed out, among others, that he was part of the group that was to a large degree promoting problems in the US and around the world. All I said was that I look at behaviors and what they fund or encourage, and it's clear as day. The pushback was amazing in that I later moved the analogy to a certain group who commits all the crimes, and the guy actually said, "Oh, that's different though". I started laughing. All in all, I wouldn't call the guy militant but I was more annoyed that I brought up a subject with a fellow Orthodox (I thought) and it turned out to be the same type of uncomfortable discussion you'd have with a modern leftist. If I had known, I woudn't have said anything, but he asked, so I told him. He learned something that night, I guess. 
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Good lord, how did I miss that golden statement from that same poster.
Some neighborhoods in EE are more dangerous than majority black areas in some US areas?
A) There's no real street gangs. Which means no constant turf wars over drugs/hoes.
B) There's very few guns, which means you're not getting jacked at gunpoint any number of places, nor are bullets flying via gang warfare.
C) There's no black rap culture where guys do little more than smoke blunts, slap a grill in their mouth and shoot one another over their shoes.
Walk thru a gypsy ghetto alone at night as a clear white Western target, you might get a knife pulled on you and your wallet stolen. But try that in any poor area around the globe.
Outside war zones the only neighborhoods as dangerous as American black hood areas are gang controlled favella areas in South America. Dudes down there are also strapped and pull guns over nothing.
Got something special for this thread.
Yesterday I asked Father Peter Heers on his YouTube channel about relocating to
Romania.
He gives a ~1 minute answer at 1:42:29-1:43:42
Yesterday I asked Father Peter Heers on his YouTube channel about relocating to
Romania.
He gives a ~1 minute answer at 1:42:29-1:43:42
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I think he did a good job of answering it. He isn't overly dogmatic about recommending against it, he just thinks that there should be some connection to going (and doesn't even make that super commitment oriented), which I think is both good advice and realistic.
I'd guess that Fr. Peter is late 40s, no? I think he's right on the borderline of the old normal world that switched over, and he found a wife in a foreign country, to boot. For that reason, I think he's more part of the old world that doesn't consider the state of things these days (regarding how much more abnormal it is for unmarried people than ever before). That is my speculation, since I see crystallized thinking in both older people and married people, that is similar in its fashion.
Here's a very honest question: Is it bad of me to have doubts that a spiritual father, even one you respect greatly, will be able to understand where you are coming from if he is boomer or older in America at this point? It could be my projection, so eventually I'll have to just ask mine bluntly about the idea of a type of travel or nomadism, and that topic.
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I'm surprised by his answer. I thought he was going to say something like "carry your cross and stay where you are the beast system is worldwide etc" but he actually just says make sure you have a purpose in mind. If the only purpose is 'wife hunt' it appears he's calling this aimless.
I don't think anything he recommends was groundbreaking but it's definitely good advice. I imagine if we ground ourselves in a church at said country, say Romania, with a commitment in mind to do something like enroll in a language course, have a role in the Church such that we are actively involved in the community/locale, etc etc then he seems to think there's nothing wrong with it.
To the contrary if one were to just 'loaf' and have a remote job online, be a ghost at the liturgy once in a blue moon, and hyper focus on meeting a woman he'd say that's misdirected, and I 100% agree and can attest to this firsthand.
It would certainly make sense to sit down and hash these things out in detail with a spiritual father and make a grounded plan to root ourselves and build our new life wherever we decide to go. Even the exploration phase of nomading around needs to be purposeful. We have to be devoted to something tangible.
So we must ask ourselves, how will we do this? How will we create this? What is our purpose? There are non profit charity or outreach groups like feeding the homeless, working with rescue teams for those in the sex industry, animal shelters for street dogs, etc.
This is why I value my teaching license and international school experience because it gives me a purpose and sets me up for these things to fall into place. I've lived both sides where one is working in a school and one is working online. The latter is isolating and leads to a more selfish existence. The former gives an aim, a respectable/worthy status, a commitment and more fulfilling experience.
I've had several PM exchanges with forum members who have relocated about this and I always ask "what is your reason for being there? How are you connecting yourself to the people there? Are you going to church?"
I'm surprised at how everyone I've talked to says they aren't going to church, aren't studying the language, and are just wandering. Deep down everyone understands this is the answer but still sit back and drink beers at the pub and complain about being an outsider.
These same people were probably doing the same thing at home. So essentially they are trying to escape from themselves, by living only for themselves, without making any real tangible difference and devoting themselves to a cause outside of getting the trad wifu lol.
They'll just end up with a hooker from a bar or a loose woman because these are the ones that can speak English, chit chat with drunk transient or disgruntled expats, and falling into sin with Tinder and such. They'll keep wandering and searching and complaining. Never making any real connections.
And I don't mean to throw shade at anyone. Again, I made the same mistakes. I bounced around countless cities in Southeast Asia for years and got myself into a lot of spiritual trouble. The endless seeking wasn't fruitful.
Take Pattaya Thailand for example. I talked to someone who unfortunately chose this as their relocation destination. I've lived there before. It's a hellhole. I wasn't Orthodox then. I had absolutely no purpose and it was a dark time. I was completely disconnected from anything along said lines.
I recommended to him joining one of the Russian Orthodox churches there. There are beautiful churches with a strong presence there. There are groups rescuing children, sex workers, animals, the needy etc. There are Thai language schools. There's international schools. There's hospitals. There's environmental causes. It seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Even in Pattaya we can ground ourselves in a Holy network of people. We don't have to hang out at walking street and wonder why it's such a seedy place. I definitely don't recommend going there but I'm just saying the flowers are there even amongst the weeds but we aren't going to flourish if we wallow in withering places.
If I did it over again I'd make sure to commit myself by taking my job in the school more seriously and make sure to involve myself in an Orthodox church. I'd stay out of the bars. I'd avoid the pagan women. I'd prepare myself for marriage rather than endless gaming and one night stands.
I think this would be a lot easier to do the second time around especially in an Orthodox Christian country like Romania.
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Tell us about the women, Rainy.
Tell us about the women, Rainy.
How about just go to Romania or wherever, for the purposes of finding a quality girl, and then while you're at it, find some other purpose too. I don't it's necessary to have any particular purpose in mind before going.
The days of dropping in and girls throwing themselves at you because you have an American accent are far gone. Unless you want to get caught in a girl purely trying to escape a poor economic situation and taking the first ticket out. Which of course won't end well.
The bigger issue is the type of girl I assume most of the membership base here wants as a wife, feminine, family oriented, wants to be a mother and stay at home wife, cook, relatively conservative, etc, is unlikely to want to pick up and leave. At least not quickly. And if she eventually does agree to leave overseas you should be equipped with the financial means to travel back regularly to visit her family and spend time there.
This is the part so often overlooked. And why looking for a wife is different in many aspects than the PUA scene was. While I met my Bulgarian wife in the states and we've lived here, regular trips to and from are the norm. As are regularly flying her mother here for visits. Yet my wife previously made the sacrifice and commitment to leave family/friends behind before I even met her. Convincing a girl to leave all she knows behind because you dropped in is simply a fool's errand. These aren't girls living in mud huts. In many respects the quality of life is superior to the US.
So as I've long said if someone truly wants to search for a wife abroad, pick a place and move there. With the intent on staying for a few years at least. Have a place. Have income. Learn some of the language. Become familiar with the culture. The city. The country. Meet people. That is when it makes sense. Because first you need to show an interest and commitment to your future wife's culture. Then you have common interests. You'll better understand her. You can relate to her parents. You can communicate. All of that is important if you're going for a girl from an Orthodox country. I mean, what do people think is gonna be the baseline expectation in a country like that. Also, these countries are relatively small. Most of their family/friends are within a 1-2 hour drive. They are close knit and have a highly trusted network. Family is important.
If you expect some hoe to just throw themselves at the first decent looking foreigner in a two week trip, you wouldn't be in a place like EE to begin with.
And this is where the "liberalization" talk of EE misses the mark. Yes it's more westernized. But when you're talking marriage, family, acceptance from her family, security, you better believe the Orthodox family roots come back quickly. The first hurdle will be convincing your future wife and her family and close friends you're serious and not just a foreigner hunting for a wife. Good luck doing that without a long term stay and connection to the culture. But if you do do that, they will think that much more of you. They are flattered by the effort given to show respect to their country/language and it doesn't go unnoticed.
I wasn't truly accepted until I spoke some Bulgarian and spent extended time in the village at the grandparents home, with aunts, uncles, cousins drinking/eating, doing some household work and showing I can not only mesh with true Bulgarians, but mesh with rural Bulgarians in a house which doesn't to this day even have an indoor toilet. That was in addition to spending lots of time in Sofia, in the old communist apartment blocks, really getting to know the city and her parents/friends. In all my time in Bulgaria I have never stayed at a hotel. Lived like and with local Bulgarians every day.
In the end, the loyalty and commitment, and true feminine role and marriage which comes from it is light years ahead of what many of my friends married to Americans have.
I know others with similar experiences.
But if one just wants to fly in and pick up a wife while staying at a 5 star hotel for a few weeks, go to the Philippines. Then watch after she gets citizenship she'll divorce you and take half. And expect an allowance in the meantime.
This BTW is why I push back on the wife abroad search talk. Until someone says I'm moving to so and so country, have income setup, am excited about the prospect of living there, learning the language/culture, etc, then meeting a potential wife....it's just hot air. The first step is move, get an apartment/house, have income, then you're at square one. Now you're serious.
Or just join a Russian/Serbian/Romanian Orthodox church in the states and get to know people and try to meet a foreign woman who now lives here.
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Great post. I couldn't agree more. I live in the EU permanently, have an above-average salary, savings, speak a bunch of languages, and go to a church with people from 15 different countries. NO ONE cares that I am an American. I am just another guy at church. Even the women from poorer countries couldn't care less about me. Just being an American does NOT open doors, beyond the assumption that you are honest and have a solid work ethic.
Yeah, quality Romanian (and, generally, Eastern European) women aren't terribly easy to date. People really only get that feeling because influencers are often seen with attractive Eastern European women, but those are typically (like in the case of the effeminate mulatto that shall not be named) teenagers who were essentially bought. If you're Christian, that doesn't really work for you.
There's a good chance that the people you were speaking to actually talked to the women they mentioned but they declined because you are a foreigner and then they were embarrassed to tell you. When I spoke to some girls earlier this year in Iasi, they were actually fairly hesitant to even have a drink bought by me and a friend, even though we were nice enough (and not bad looking, if I may be so vain) they suspiciously inquired about where we were from. I'm not sure they would have accepted hadn't I spoken fluent Romanian and told them I actually am half Romanian. When my pal said he was Hungarian, she flat out told him "I don't like Hungarians". The evening still turned out nice and everybody got along, but these are basically the hurdles.
Romanians generally appreciate Germans and Serbs, but, like many Balkan people, they have a strong dislike for many ethnic groups and also each other(also, Romanians often don't like being called "Balkan people"). My uncle actually got angry with me for going to Iasi, because, according to him, Moldavian women are "Curve".
One final anecdote (this was the original intent of this post,
Regarding atheist cringelords, I usually point to Carl Benjamin's former sidekick Vee, who is a very good example of the shidlibs you will find all the way from Croatia to Romania. They usually view themselves as experts in terms of democracy and the free market, because they have oh so much experience with the horrors of Communism. They usually have BS liberal sensibilities that are essentially the same as with their Western counterparts, but with about a 10 year delay. As I said earlier, super obnoxious people. You also have disgusting feminists, but in my experience, they are less combative and overreacting than the ones in, for example, Germany. They also never stopped the Goth Girl look from the 90s, which makes them slightly more bearable. Then again, there is a distinct element of overt occultism that you very rarely see like that in Western Europe. I once slept in a hostel in Sibiu where there was straight up Satanist imagery all over the place and they had this unbearable hypno house music playing all day. There are a lot of venues like that, particularly in Transilvania and Bucharest.
Also worth mentioning, this year they decided to introduce essentially Holocaust class, where discussing the crimes of fascism swallows two years of at least one subject in school. There are people openly opposing it, which is something you don't see in the West, but the political foundation for many negative developments is definitely present.
Romania is an Orthodox country by virtue of the Church wielding a lot of power and coining the national culture, but true, committed Christians are always the minority, everywhere. The straight and narrow path never becomes the universal standard. If you are Orthodox however, a nice little monastery is rarely more than an hour away and you also have monastics in the cities, so if you really feel like you need to connect to other believers, you will have the chance.
That being said, I love the country and the people and I feel profoundly at home among them, and this has certainly been the case for other people who moved there, including some that are not of Romanian extraction themselves.
Going back to my initial point, if you love the culture and the people enough to want to become a part of it, then you can have a great time there (although this applies to many places).
I generally advise against wifeshopping, because it will bring a lot of problems down the line if you don't like the culture. You'll have better chances of finding a Romanian wife at your local Romanian parish, if you have one. Some priests will also organize activities for parishioners, so that singles can get to know each other. And you also know that she's relatively acclimatized to your home culture. Plus, obviously, she's going to be a believer.
Final point: being single isn't necessarily bad, from a Christian perspective. Trying to crow bar a family into your life can lead to the neglect of other aspects of your spiritual development. I see a lot of people around me sweating it too much and then failing to appreciate other gifts and duties. It's not your decision to have a family, it's one that God will make for you.
EDIT: I just remembered that a friend of mine recently flew to Crimea because he had met a Russian girl on an Orthodox dating website. When he told me about it beforehand, I thought this was probably kind of a bad idea, but now, two years later, they are married, have their first child and live among palm trees in a village near Sewastopol. So there's that. Religious dating websites are probably not the worst idea next to Church-related activities. Again, I think your partner search should be based on faith, because that's what will carry a relationship through difficult circumstances. Unless you're willing to get married to a complete tard wife, there is no such thing as an uncomplicated woman. Sharing faith and some cultural canon and being on at least a somewhat similar intellectual level is probably as good as it gets, because then you'll be able to communicate well.
I've heard the "flirt to convert" trope a couple of times even on this forum, but in the rare cases when I tried that, it didn't really take. If a woman likes you, she'll just pretend to be into it, but that's a galaxy removed from actually sharing the faith.
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I doubt it, but that's possible. Ultimately it doesn't matter since the probability is also that they are too old in the same fashion. I just find it stupid and classic of the modern age.
Yes. There are many people that hate the Balkan moniker, and it's funny when you see Greeks also react to the idea of being at least similar to "Balkan" people, with whom they actually share a lot, even if different technically or not an FSU nation.
This is classic for Europe. The guy in question was a pensioner and since I think things didn't work out perfectly in his family life, he became a little salty and like most, doesn't care about what happens in the country as long as they still keep paying him in his retirement.
That is at least what is nice and different about Orthodox countries. In the US this is present but it's really more of a pilgrimage for most, or turns out that way due to how big the country is and how few Orthodox there are.
That is correct. I think most worry about (including me) constantly straying or being tempted by the sex issue. A lot of things can be justified to downregulate the sex thing, or the effort to pursue anything, if you are married and have kids.
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I think this is part of the latter stage forum quasi egalitarianism that set in that seems to be a part of Christianity, but I am not convinced really is. I don't think most forum members believe it, but it comes out quite frequently in posts that some percentage do believe women on average live their lives in a way that is like men or is beyond just reaction, influence or pretending. Even the best women I know are just products of a good culture or man, their father or husband. Of course there are going to be a crazy small fraction of exceptions (such as saints), but the role and opinion the modern world has of women is far closer to delusional than anywhere near accurate. The point is, I don't even think that we should consider whether the women have the type of particular interest or faith men might, just that they follow the faith and promote it because of good influences that surround them. To act like people are really grounded in anything with principle is rare, even among men, so from what I've seen I don't have any expectations for the "fairer sex". Certain things are enough, and we're on this forum talking because we don't even come close to those certain things or basics.