Property / Real Estate As An Investment

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The average person doesn't even think about investments.
The average investor that I read about online focuses on the stock market or maybe bonds.
I would like to start a thread for people like me who focus on property or land as their main investment.
In my country I hold some nice property assets. I feel it is much more Christian than if I was to invest in the stock market.
I like this because I can carve up the properties and pass down a decent portfolio to my own children.
I hope that they won't have to scramble and grind like I did.
Any other 100% property folks out there?
 
Heavy taxes on inheritance (30%~) but some of the only exceptions relate to land, farm land, houses etc.
Generational planning for my kids is a big part of the reason why I am in property.
It seems only natural to want to leave money to your kids, to raise their social class, and ensure their financial security.

However, it's been a recent trend for rich people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet to say they are giving away most of their wealth, and only leaving a token amount to their kids. Anonymous Conservative (AC) thinks this is because these billionaires don't really control their money. They are just figure heads created by the "cabal" that really runs things. Jeffery Epstein is a classic example. He went from being a math tutor to suddenly being a billionaire with a private sex island, where he invited a long list of A List political figures. It's widely believed he was a Mossad agent, and his wealth was all part of a manufactured persona .

So, when I saw your post, I was thinking about this, and then just a few minutes later, I see a post on AC today to this link where Marie Osmond says she doesn't want to leave her money to her kids. This certainly goes against type for the Mormons, and for the Osmond family. Leaving your wealth to your kids seems like hard wired behavior to me.


AC's blog updates every day, so I'll just quote what he says about the link: (note that AC also believes that Cabal has a large network of people working like the Stazi surveillance in East Germany, even to the point of recruiting their children to report on other children in school.)

It is very strange, to feel that way towards your children, unless she was only allowed to handle the money, and was not actually earning it. Money is power. And as you see, in a world where the surveillance is so desperate for power it will strip the innocence from its own children, to run them as spies against your children, it cannot afford to let someone have that power, because they might use it to expose the conspiracy, and the fact it is targeting you, and your children. So only people who give up the blackmail get it. I would not be surprised if Marie has some wild blackmail tapes out there. I would read this article as either she, or her kids, did not want them to have to do the things they would have had to, in order to hold onto her cash.
 
I have been investing in residential rental properties for a few years now. It is most definitely not passive, but it has had great returns for me so far.

Many here talk about moving to other countries; having multiple homes seems like the best way to facilitate that. You can always liquidate one and buy somewhere else. If the new country isn't working out for you, at least you can move back.
 
I have been investing in residential rental properties for a few years now. It is most definitely not passive, but it has had great returns for me so far.

Many here talk about moving to other countries; having multiple homes seems like the best way to facilitate that. You can always liquidate one and buy somewhere else. If the new country isn't working out for you, at least you can move back.

Are you doing it on credit, or out of pocket?
 
30-year fixed loans. I got some of them in under 3% when rates were clown-world low.

What do you think is the minimum yield a property should generate? And what are you looking at for an acceptable annual return?

I wanted to get a short-term rental over the last two years, but it didn't happen do to realtor snakes. Now prices in my area have climbed 20-100% for anything I'm interested in. I also want my eggs in other baskets until about Jan 2026. But am still considering getting something smaller to live in until then. And then have it as a short-term rental while I'm away (which is a lot of the time). But after this period (2026 onwards) having a mortgage-free $1,000,000 property generating 7% will be something that should sustain basic living for the rest of my life. It seems like the solidest move, even though better gains can be had elsewhere.
 
I wanted to get a short-term rental over the last two years, but it didn't happen do to realtor snakes. Now prices in my area have climbed 20-100% for anything I'm interested in. I also want my eggs in other baskets until about Jan 2026. But am still considering getting something smaller to live in until then. And then have it as a short-term rental while I'm away (which is a lot of the time). But after this period (2026 onwards) having a mortgage-free $1,000,000 property generating 7% will be something that should sustain basic living for the rest of my life. It seems like the solidest move, even though better gains can be had elsewhere.
I'm curious -- what happened?
I am a real estate agent on the side. Luckily since it is a second income, I get to tell friends when my honest-to-God advice is to NOT buy/sell.

What do you think is the minimum yield a property should generate? And what are you looking at for an acceptable annual return?
My strategy doesn't actually use either of those metrics. I live in a rather high cost of living area. In order to cash flow you need 30%+ down, and I typically don't have that scale of cash. Instead I simply go for break-even properties, and my future depends on appreciation.

The safeguards:
1. You don't buy the next property until the previous purchase has matured; The last one I bought at 5% down, made improvements, it also appreciated, then I appraised to get out of PMI. I think I have 27% equity there now. The previous one is around 50% equity. If you expand too quickly you will be leveraged to your eyeballs and susceptible to a crash.
2. You have to keep your finger on the pulse of local sentiment and demographic shifts. If people want to move there, and they are moving there, you should have a good investment. If you are in a rust belt type area and people are leaving, you need to sell.

If I was buying in Baltimore, I'd require really high cash flow. There you can actually find cash flow at 20% down, no problem. But then you get to collect rent with a gun and deal with that type of tenant. You'd also have to buy lots of units and hire a property manager. I have a small quantity because they are expensive.

I also want my eggs in other baskets until about Jan 2026. But am still considering getting something smaller to live in until then. And then have it as a short-term rental while I'm away (which is a lot of the time).
I was able to make exactly this strategy work rather well. I bought a small place, remodeled it while living in it, and then set it up to STR and took a two-month trip. Now I'm living elsewhere and STR'ing it 6 months out of the year. It's been an immensely powerful strategy when you consider it pays for most of the entire year's mortgage on those 6 months, and then I get a great place to stay for the other 6 months.
But after this period (2026 onwards) having a mortgage-free $1,000,000 property generating 7% will be something that should sustain basic living for the rest of my life. It seems like the solidest move, even though better gains can be had elsewhere.
My biggest one is worth about that, though with ~50% equity. Annual rents are about 4.3%. It's tough to find a $1M place with ~$6k annual rent unless maybe it's a fourplex or larger.
 
I'm curious -- what happened?

Where I want to buy it's common for agents to list properties for sale they don't have in their portfolio, to get your number and try and sell you something else. Happened two times I tried to buy. Time wasted.

My biggest one is worth about that, though with ~50% equity. Annual rents are about 4.3%. It's tough to find a $1M place with ~$6k annual rent unless maybe it's a fourplex or larger.

Where I want to buy yield for a managed short-term rental is 7%. And if I had got one I'd have been looking at 10%+ now with the bubble that's occurred. Hoping the next year will see a crash...
 
Where I want to buy it's common for agents to list properties for sale they don't have in their portfolio, to get your number and try and sell you something else. Happened two times I tried to buy. Time wasted.



Where I want to buy yield for a managed short-term rental is 7%. And if I had got one I'd have been looking at 10%+ now with the bubble that's occurred. Hoping the next year will see a crash...

Hoping for a crash makes your $ crash bro.

If you've got the cash to invest then do so instead of buying BMW or Jaguar. If you want to borrow... not so much.
 
Hoping for a crash makes your $ crash bro.

If you've got the cash to invest then do so instead of buying BMW or Jaguar. If you want to borrow... not so much.

Prices have spiked dramatically due to Russians.

I'm not interested in buying at these prices. If they go down, which I expect them to, the rental yield will be more like 4%, which is too low.
 
Prices have spiked dramatically due to Russians.

I'm not interested in buying at these prices. If they go down, which I expect them to, the rental yield will be more like 4%, which is too low.

Then buy within your means without a loan.

What I mean is you can speculate all you want when you already have investments. "Monopoly" the board game is won by buying every time.
 
Rentals should generate 5% yeld minimum.

Property investment beats stocks/bonds,etc if you are growing your wealth due to cheap credit.
They have advantage of direct ownership. Disadvantage of nonliquidity, etc.

Above a certain threshold stocks are easier to manage.

If you have 1M and only want to receive dividend yelds probably putting it in a REIT like “realty income” would be a better option. Giving 6% dividend now.


2026 should be a good time to invest.
 
What are good ways to start out investing in property with the lowest amount of risk, upfront capitol, and legal headaches? For example, has anyone ever had luck using land for renting parking spots or individual parking garages in large cities? I'd imagine this is much simpler than buying a house or building.
 
What are good ways to start out investing in property with the lowest amount of risk, upfront capitol, and legal headaches? For example, has anyone ever had luck using land for renting parking spots or individual parking garages in large cities? I'd imagine this is much simpler than buying a house or building.
If your not making a loan. Don´t want to deal with legal issues. And it´s not for you to live in or secondary house by the beach. Why don´t you put it in a REIT? Using a tradicional banks as broker.
 
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If your not making a loan. Don´t want to deal with legal issues. And it´s not for you to live in or secondary house by the beach. Why don´t you put it in a REIT? Using a tradicional banks as broker.
Its not that I don't want to deal with legal issues. When you deal with any investment, whether it's physical or digital, there's always a degree of liability. With renting parking spaces or garages, I'd assume that getting permissions are much easier to get than constructing a physical building.

I'll also assume it's cheaper to demolish an existing property, put some asphalt/blacktop to smooth the area out, line it appropriately with some thermoplastic and construct a barrier as well as a locked entry/exit point. If we wanted to get fancier that's where the garages come in.

Obviously there are pros and cons that are dependent on a lot of variables including surrounding locations. What is the demand? Is it a large busy city or a more quiet area? How would you charge clients: using a payment system at the entry/exits or being more personal and knowing who exactly is using your property and charging a monthly fee/some other arrangement?

While buying a building and renting it out is the ideal way to make extra income over time it's not in my budget at this time unfortunately. But I still would like to dip my toes in something related on a smaller scale. I used parking as an example but I dont know much about this specific topic. Im not sure if there is something similar that exists but I'd figure I'd ask anyway.
 
Its not that I don't want to deal with legal issues. When you deal with any investment, whether it's physical or digital, there's always a degree of liability. With renting parking spaces or garages, I'd assume that getting permissions are much easier to get than constructing a physical building.

I'll also assume it's cheaper to demolish an existing property, put some asphalt/blacktop to smooth the area out, line it appropriately with some thermoplastic and construct a barrier as well as a locked entry/exit point. If we wanted to get fancier that's where the garages come in.

Obviously there are pros and cons that are dependent on a lot of variables including surrounding locations. What is the demand? Is it a large busy city or a more quiet area? How would you charge clients: using a payment system at the entry/exits or being more personal and knowing who exactly is using your property and charging a monthly fee/some other arrangement?

While buying a building and renting it out is the ideal way to make extra income over time it's not in my budget at this time unfortunately. But I still would like to dip my toes in something related on a smaller scale. I used parking as an example but I dont know much about this specific topic. Im not sure if there is something similar that exists but I'd figure I'd ask anyway.
Parking spaces yeld used to be higher than normal property. You will have to manage several tenants who will pay a small rent value. Each time a tenant comes and go you will need to make a rental agreement for each one. The turnover of tenants might also be high. It´s a matter of how much availability you will have to deal with it.

If buying and building is cheaper than what already exists. You can always sell with a profit. Take into consideration living near the construction site. Construction projects require time and your presence.

You could buy one cheap parking space. Just to get the feeling of it. And see if it´s the right option for you. And after go bigger.

Now that I think of it I actually thought about making that type of investment it in 2012-2014. And even looked at one garage with some parking spaces in a high demand area. The seller told me you could rent to normal tenants and receive a monthly rent. Or make it a public parking space. Each situation would be equivalent on renting to normal tenants or airbnb tenants. In the end I gave up on the idea. Because managing it would be a nightmare.

Try to find out prices in 2008-2010 in the area your investing. And see how much you are set to lose if markets drop by 2026.

A different option is buying far from a city near a logistic center with a lot of workers. Or university. Prices are lower and yelds are good. But the turnover from tenants is also high. Don´t think that current prices will hold after 2026. But will see.
 
@Alpha Hunter Zero - Not sure if you know what they are, but aren't interested in that option; or don't know what they are. @magoo mentioned REITs in his post. These are exchange traded funds of managed real estate, that pay a dividend from the rental income. I think that they are superior for most people, as they offer exposure to the solid real estate sector without any of the management hassle.

See - https://www.forbes.com/sites/invest...for-reliable-income-for-2023/?sh=551cbd27ede3

I am interested in buying at least one property to live in periodically and then be a managed short-term rental the rest of the time. The reason being is I want the place to stay in. If I didn't, I'd just be looking for a REIT. The time spent managing taxes, repairs, admin, bills for one property is not worth it IMO. I guess parking spaces offer a lot less overhead though.

I think someone also mentioned it above that the next 1-3 years might be a great time to buy into a REIT, as they could end up in more of a bear market than they already are. If bought near the bottom of a bear market, they will probably end up giving you over 10% dividends and more in appreciation. A nice stable base for a portfolio.
 
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