Nicotine addiction

Batman said:
I've used that store locator, it's outdated. Several months ago I went on a hunt to several different stores and none of them had it. I talked to a couple cashiers at gas stations that normally stocked it, and they said they won't be stocking it ever again. I'm sure you can still find it at it some places, but eventually it will become harder and harder to get your hands on it, so I figure I should just give it up now. I'm pretty sure the only reason it is no longer sold in the US is because it was such a massive threat to big tobacco.

It's possible a grey market vendor will start selling it. You can still get your hands on those old school supplements like Phenibut, DMHA, etc from legitimate clearnet grey market vendors, despite them not technically not being legal to be sold as a dietary supplement. I'll keep my eyes open.

And yeah, MAOIs were one of the first prescribed antidepressants, they're pretty simple and effective, though I'm pretty sure the ones they prescribed were a lot stronger than the ones in tobacco. MAOIs are also in coffee to a lesser extent, which is one of the reasons why coffee feels different than pure caffeine.
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3/3 of the stores I tried that were on the locator had it. 1 of them it was a few months past the best by date though. The other store just got new shipments in, and the General cans got a new redesign, which makes me think they are here to stay. The new design is worse than the old design, and the old design is worse than the Swedish version, but the product is still good.

Hopefully some American companies start making snus.
 
Thought I'd bump this. I recently kicked a kratom addiction, and a year ago I also quit pot forever as well (been 1.5 years now for pot and 2.5 months for kratom). I am also kicking alcohol (I never had a problem with it, but I mention this to point out it's just one more crutch unavailable to me). I all this to say, now I'm left with a caffeine and nicotine addiction that I still struggle with.

While I find caffeine far more addicting than nicotine, I feel more guilty for using nicotine and I find myself coming back to it every 1-2 months. I genuinely love the effects it has, and it does provide tangible benefits but only if I can use it strategically and in moderation. Doing it for more than a few days at a time has detrimental effects. I think using it 1-2 days once a month is perfectly fine if you have the self control, but it goes without saying it's a slippery slope.

Wanted to see if anyone has tried Tucker Carlsons's brand or any other novel forms that are less addictive. I generally use 6mg Zynn pouches but they are about as addicting as vapes so I think I need to consider trying something else unless I can find Swedish Snus.
 
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The General Snus "white" portions are the best you can get in the US. Haven't touched the zyn style pouches since discovering them.

The domestic brand snus like Camel and Grizzly are absolutely disgusting, the flavors are nasty, tastes like mouthwash, toothpaste, I don't understand how people can tolerate that garbage. The General Snus white has no added flavor at all and is very mild.
 
Batman said:
Thought I'd bump this. I recently kicked a kratom addiction, and a year ago I also quit pot forever as well (been 1.5 years now for pot and 2.5 months for kratom). I am also kicking alcohol (I never had a problem with it, but I mention this to point out it's just one more crutch unavailable to me). I all this to say, now I'm left with a caffeine and nicotine addiction that I still struggle with.

While I find caffeine far more addicting than nicotine, I feel more guilty for using nicotine and I find myself coming back to it every 1-2 months. I genuinely love the effects it has, and it does provide tangible benefits but only if I can use it strategically and in moderation. Doing it for more than a few days at a time has detrimental effects. I think using it 1-2 days once a month is perfectly fine if you have the self control, but it goes without saying it's a slippery slope.

Wanted to see if anyone has tried Tucker Carlsons's brand or any other novel forms that are less addictive. I generally use 6mg Zynn pouches but they are about as addicting as vapes so I think I need to consider trying something else unless I can find Swedish Snus.
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I've used them all, Swedish snus, nicotine pouches & lozenges and they're all equally addictive in my experience. The idea that's it's the chemical admixtures
that are addictive and that organic, natural tobacco is not, is a lie. If you're someone who can chew a nicotine gum a couple of times a week, good luck to you, but I can't. Nicotine is addictive, full stop. Can other substances be added to make the product even more addictive, probably. And rapid delivery can also make a substance more compelling to use. Crack cocaine proves that point, but that it is so doesn't mean cocaine is mildly addictive.

As for kratom, unless you are wanting to wean yourself off of opiates with it, steer well clear (if you are wanting to substitute, kratom is perfect for that job). It is super addictive and difficult to come off, but much easier to come off than opiates. I was hooked on kratom for 4 years and only stopped because it became illegal to use in the UK. If you've got an addictive nature don't even try it once. The euphoria was so strong on my first taste, I was it's bitch there and then, lol.
 
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Horrible addiction.

Always leads me to lust (inflamed passion) or alcohol (to try to mitigate the tension/anxiety)

It feels like a good idea at first but I just hate the effects.

The pouches and lozenges are worse than cigarettes.

I hope I can kick it but when I'm bored I often turn to it.
 
Tippy said:
Horrible addiction.

Always leads me to lust (inflamed passion) or alcohol (to try to mitigate the tension/anxiety)

It feels like a good idea at first but I just hate the effects.

The pouches and lozenges are worse than cigarettes.

I hope I can kick it but when I'm bored I often turn to it.
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Do you pray the rosary? For me boredom is just a feeling of emptiness that I feel compelled to fill with one substance or another, but have learnt to resist over the years. I'll take a walk and pray the rosary on the way or I'll pray 4 or 5 rounds of the Jesus Prayer in the greenhouse (it's my little haven). Of course the mind resists such practices strongly at first. This is the struggle we must undertake to conquer the passions. It's not easy, but it's a noble battle.
 
Vas Incrementum said:
I've used them all, Swedish snus, nicotine pouches & lozenges and they're all equally addictive in my experience. The idea that's it's the chemical admixtures
that are addictive and that organic, natural tobacco is not, is a lie. If you're someone who can chew a nicotine gum a couple of times a week, good luck to you, but I can't. Nicotine is addictive, full stop. Can other substances be added to make the product even more addictive, probably. And rapid delivery can also make a substance more compelling to use. Crack cocaine proves that point, but that it is so doesn't mean cocaine is mildly addictive.

As for kratom, unless you are wanting to wean yourself off of opiates with it, steer well clear (if you are wanting to substitute, kratom is perfect for that job). It is super addictive and difficult to come off, but much easier to come off than opiates. I was hooked on kratom for 4 years and only stopped because it became illegal to use in the UK. If you've got an addictive nature don't even try it once. The euphoria was so strong on my first taste, I was it's bitch there and then, lol.
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Maybe it's because I didn't start using nicotine until my mid 30s, but I'm always able to stop, take breaks, never experienced the strong withdrawal symptoms that some people describe. If I run out, it's not like some emergency where I feel like to have to run out and grab more asap. I treat it like I would a cup of coffee. Moderation, and after completing a task or a hard workout. Sometimes when I have a long camping trip planned, I'll purposefully bring less than I would normally use, knowing I'll run out early, just to show myself again that it's no big deal to not have it.

Using too much/too frequently makes me feel not the best, so it's kind of self regulating for me.

I've never smoked, only used zyn and now snus.
 
mountainaire said:
Maybe it's because I didn't start using nicotine until my mid 30s, but I'm always able to stop, take breaks, never experienced the strong withdrawal symptoms that some people describe. If I run out, it's not like some emergency where I feel like to have to run out and grab more asap. I treat it like I would a cup of coffee. Moderation, and after completing a task or a hard workout. Sometimes when I have a long camping trip planned, I'll purposefully bring less than I would normally use, knowing I'll run out early, just to show myself again that it's no big deal to not have it.

Using too much/too frequently makes me feel not the best, so it's kind of self regulating for me.

I've never smoked, only used zyn and now snus.
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That's crazy to me.

It has very noticeable withdrawal symptoms including for me depression. It's not worth it to either be addicted or be coming down and fucking depressed cos of some drug.
 
mountainaire said:
Maybe it's because I didn't start using nicotine until my mid 30s, but I'm always able to stop, take breaks, never experienced the strong withdrawal symptoms that some people describe. If I run out, it's not like some emergency where I feel like to have to run out and grab more asap. I treat it like I would a cup of coffee. Moderation, and after completing a task or a hard workout. Sometimes when I have a long camping trip planned, I'll purposefully bring less than I would normally use, knowing I'll run out early, just to show myself again that it's no big deal to not have it.

Using too much/too frequently makes me feel not the best, so it's kind of self regulating for me.

I've never smoked, only used zyn and now snus.
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I used to know people (one woman I lived with comes to mind) who would smoke one or two cigarettes a day and could sometimes go days without. It used to baffle me back then, but I'm no longer surprised. A school friend of mine could barely go a day without a drink. He was so bad a drunk that I thought for sure he must be dead. We met up again a 10 years ago and he now only drinks one day a week. For sure addiction is full of confounding factors.
 
Its becoming like booze for me with all sorts of rationalizations like "not in the house" and stuff like that. I've actually had nights of just chain pouching all night and barely sleeping. Its really insane behaviour and nicotine doesnt have the same type of support groups as other addictions.
 
Tippy said:
Its becoming like booze for me with all sorts of rationalizations like "not in the house" and stuff like that. I've actually had nights of just chain pouching all night and barely sleeping. Its really insane behaviour and nicotine doesnt have the same type of support groups as other addictions.
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You don't need a support group to quit nicotine, you need to toughen up. Far too many of your posts appear to me to be you fishing for easier softer ways. Pray (I counselled you in another thread about having a disciplined prayer life and you ignored me), dig in and grind out results. Put the time and effort in like I, and many others, had to do. If you fail, start again. And stop whining, all it does is reinforce weakness.

Yes, I've been there and done all that. I speak from experience.
 
Vas Incrementum said:
You don't need a support group to quit nicotine, you need to toughen up. Far too many of your posts appear to me to be you fishing for easier softer ways. Pray (I counselled you in another thread about having a disciplined prayer life and you ignored me), dig in and grind out results. Put the time and effort in like I, and many others, had to do. If you fail, start again. And stop whining, all it does is reinforce weakness.

Yes, I've been there and done all that. I speak from experience.
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What do you mean far too many of my posts are about that ?

Which ones specifically are you referring to?
 
I can't go over all your posts, man. You've asked for advice with relationships, sex addiction, where's the best place to live, etc. I have formed an impression of you as a malcontent who makes external changes, but stands still internally. You get good advice from people, but I don't have a sense of you as someone who buckles down and puts the hard work in over time. That's all. If you don't think the cap fits ignore me.
 
I know I had to quit and quit and quit again before I was finally done with cigarettes. I would ween myself down to 1 a day. Then 1 or 2 a week. Then I would go months on end without even craving one. Then something would happen, I'd crave one, give in, buy a pack, smoke one, throw the rest of the pack away. Finally after the second time I went months on end before I caved, I asked myself, "what am I really doing here? Why do I feel like I need this?" It was during that last cigarette that I realized I was using cigarettes to cope with stress. This was actually making me less capable of dealing with stress. That was my last cigarette. It was 12 years ago now.

I have an oral fixation that I satisfy mostly by being a tea collector these days. I was smoking cannabis regularly for many years after quitting tobacco, but I got tired of living in a constant brain fog. But I honestly just still love to smoke, which anyone reading this can probably relate to. I have a cigar a week now.

Its never easy to give up a bad habit, but the only way out is through. Why do you like it? Why do you lean on it? Once you know the answers to these internal questions, you can figure out how to make the internal change.

Hope this helps.
 
Vas Incrementum said:
I can't go over all your posts, man. You've asked for advice with relationships, sex addiction, where's the best place to live, etc. I have formed an impression of you as a malcontent who makes external changes, but stands still internally. You get good advice from people, but I don't have a sense of you as someone who buckles down and puts the hard work in over time. That's all. If you don't think the cap fits ignore me.
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No I basically agree. Thats me.
 
Vas Incrementum said:
Well, then, all the advice in the world's not going to help. Things won't change until desperation forces you to change. How that comes about only God knows, but come it will.
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Yeah but when you say you've "been there and done all that " what are you saying? That you have no addictions now? That you're content?
 
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