Your task is to clearly explain the arguments and reasons you find them compelling. If these arguments have influenced you to the extent of questioning your beliefs, then you should be able to describe them. If you're unable to do so, it either means you don't fully grasp the arguments, or you're not engaging sincerely.
...But why would you needlessly open that huge can of worms on an unrelated thread?
Or that I didn't consider coming here with this issue as I watched a three-hour video, absorbed in it. But yes, I can note them and come back here to list them. I have no issue doing that.
Yeah maybe we should have an extra thread for the super-compelling arguments for being a "non Vatican II Catholic" and not Orthodox. Very excited to hear about it, I bet it's going to be 400 IQ scholastic stuff.
This is exactly how I normally feel when I see small hats with their silly shit on YouTube, but this one is different. There's an arrogance to him, and an approach to the topic that I haven't seen before. I've seen other debates like this plenty, but this one is just different. I can't explain. If you don't have the time or the care, I understand, but I believe you'll see what I mean if you watch it, or put it on as background noise. This isn't droning on and on, like Tovia Singer, or whining about centuries of countersemitism, like the rest of them.
Great, but before you list them, try and perform your own research and if you cannot find a satisfactory response to your questions, then post them here. You have to be careful not to lump all Christians together with Catholics because the apologetics is different. For example, this response is not consistent with Catholic teachings on the Bible and is more in line with certain Protestant denominations:
I get what you mean, and I can see that you have good intentions, but why would a Christian listen to that, when there's so many highly edifying podcasts to listen to instead? A Jew trying to deboonk Christianity, as if their religion was not blatantly satanic, is just absolutely intolerable to me. I am not willing to even entertain such nonsense.
Yep, thread's derailed.
He's got a right to ask, and I generally don't go on the offensive against RC unless explicitly provoked. I've been defending eleven for reasons I clearly gave, and then people maintaining a smug condescending attitude while clearly being on a wild path themselves is intolerable to me.
Because this one is a threat. This rabbi has claimed to have gotten emails from thousands Christians over the years, who have dropped Christianity to either convert to be juice, or to become these "Noahides," and he claims that even many clergy members have done so. I'd normally write that off, but if you look at his main channel, it's massively popular. If you click on any of his weekly lectures, there are comments from people noting how they, indeed, dropped Christianity (which they now call "idolatry") and have done the above.
I never provoked you and you are ascribing motivations to me that do not exist. I hope whatever you are dealing with in your day-to-day life improve. I mean that sincerely brother.
You admitted as much when asking people not to consider your post about Vat II. I ascribed no motivations to you, I ascribed to you the attribute of being smug while standing on shaky ground. I don't particularly care about your "sincerity", given that your belief system is a cope and a meme that you can't help but shoving into people's faces, but thanks for articulating it anyway.
Thank you for taking this seriously. I am not sure if you watched the entire debate or not, and I don't have timestamps, but he covers the issue of the transmission of the OT without any errors in a fashion that I found surprisingly convincing. I am not speaking for him or his cheerleader, but if you get to that part, even the Christian professor sits quietly, as I was doing, because I learned about the process and had absolutely no idea that it was done the way he described it so as to avoid errors. I am glad you brought this point up, because it was one of the more unsettling aspects of his argumentation, and he had it ready to go and was able to describe it in great detail, without the slightest issue, once the professor challenged him on issues of transmission errors in the OT.
I appreciate your perspective and understand that discussions like these can evoke strong emotions. It's clear we have differing viewpoints, particularly regarding the interpretation and implications of Vatican II, which is a topic both rich in history and complex in its impact on faith and doctrine. My intention was never to undermine or belittle anyone's beliefs or personal convictions. Instead, I aimed to foster a respectful dialogue, hoping to share and possibly broaden our understandings of such a significant subject.
I'm taking it pieces at a time. Those were more of my first impressions. I'll continue listening to the rest.
Many thanks. Sincerely. I appreciate you taking the time.
Oh, me dear friend, ain't it a wonder, the way words do dance and weave through the ages, untouched by the clumsy hands of time and error? And ain't it a peculiar thing, how a single debate can open our eyes to truths we never dreamed of, as if we was blind but now we see, eh? Ain't it just like stumbling upon a hidden treasure in the murky depths of London town, discovering that the transmission of the OT was guarded so fiercely, so cleverly, that not a single error dared to tarnish its sacred pages?
There will always be retards who follow charlatans. I understand why you're worried/disturbed by the idea of thousands of Christians converting to noahidism, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. In order to subscribe to something as absurd as noahidism, you need to already be a Christian in name only. There are indeed even priests out there who are totally clueless and unserious. That's assuming that this Jew isn't just making that emails thing up wholecloth.
I would just prefer to be able to shut down such arguments, and cut off any others from falling into the gutter (and stop making people like him look good to those who don't know better) than to allow it to continue festering. Worse: continue snowballing and getting stronger.
