Natty or Not

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I've referred enough times to my man, extolling many of the ideas he has, to make a thread and link some of the really good articles he has. I don't love the site, but it's clear that he's a) done the work - whatever that means - b) has seen the results, c) is honest about what is really going on and d) at least tries to suggest some next bests steps, or show you at least what might work.

Has anyone else read his stuff and thought the same?
 

The main issue is the female delusion/imagination that women hold onto for years without realizing that what they want and think they “deserve” (mostly for existing) is just not in the cards.

Women are so far OFF in their estimates, it’s laughable.

In 99% of the cases, when an average woman rejects an average man, it’s NOT because she’d found a “Chad”. Not at all.

She hasn’t found anything.


I am next life dead serious.

I didn’t know that back in the day and would often conclude that if a woman rejects me, it’s because she has a better option waiting for her.

But I never saw it. Most of the women who classified me as “close, but no cigar”, never improved. They never found Chad and remained single for years.

I am not kidding to make myself feel better. There’s no point. My weaknesses are apparent to anyone who’s followed the site for more than a month.

So, why did they reject me if they had no one?

Because they have their imagination telling them lies upon lies.

I’ve seen it happen from the first row with my sister and a female colleague that I’ve known for 15 years or so.

Honestly, I’d be somewhat happier, if all those women were finding Chads. At least, the nation would be getting more attractive, filtering out the average losers like me.

What’s even more ironic is that when you look at the father of the same women who are playing too hard to get, you realize that those men were average at best.

If the mothers were as pretentious as the daughters, there would be no daughters today.

Keep reading. Trust me.
 
Good stuff. If Chad was really the problem, then this issue with women would be uniformly bad across the world. It wouldn't be so much more prominent in the West. Yes, women can be a pain to deal with everywhere but you don't hear about average guys struggling so much in Argentina or Belarus. But in Western countries, especially the Anglosphere, female narcissism has no bounds.
 
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Based on my experience, many women play hard to get and take it way too far, to the point that they become extremely annoying. Then they try to get your attention again, but it's too late by then. They also expect you to read their mind about the whole situation.

Or they get too nervous to actually go on a date because women basically have zero courage. Most women nowadays are either too prude, or too promiscuous. Prude is obviously better, but it can also be exhausting to deal with.

The best option is to stop caring, live your life and focus on women that aren't so annoying (this takes a lot of practice). Quality over quantity.

I would also agree that there's usually not a Chad they're focused on.
 
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I would also agree that there's usually not a Chad they're focused on.
Notice how this dovetails with the self improvement nonsense and spewers?

He skewers those guys by the obvious fact that once men did all the simping (continually getting better essentially FOR women), they kept getting better while women kept getting worse AND the point no one brings up: if you are better, and others get better, it just raises the bar for everyone. Which is exactly what we see. Women care nothing about objective stuff, they care about mimicry/consensus. As I've said a million times, there are TONS of good men out there, I'd even guess at least 10-20% much higher quality than ever before even. But those guys objectively are all seeking a 1-2% woman, and a young one at that, which means what is going on is a fait accompli. Throw in that they are only their best looking physically from 16-23 basically, and you even get more black pill about it.
 
I read the alpha/beta one you posted in a different thread. Got a kick out of him still writing in that marketing style. Not sure how long you guys have been around but 15 years ago that’s the style all those guys were writing in. Haven’t seen it in a long time.
 
I read the alpha/beta one you posted in a different thread. Got a kick out of him still writing in that marketing style. Not sure how long you guys have been around but 15 years ago that’s the style all those guys were writing in. Haven’t seen it in a long time.
I agree, this reads like a strange combination of old goodlookingloser posts and incel/MGTOW blackpilling.

I don't see what sort of value anyone is supposed to take away from this material.
 
I read the alpha/beta one you posted in a different thread. Got a kick out of him still writing in that marketing style. Not sure how long you guys have been around but 15 years ago that’s the style all those guys were writing in. Haven’t seen it in a long time.
I agree, this reads like a strange combination of old goodlookingloser posts and incel/MGTOW blackpilling.

I don't see what sort of value anyone is supposed to take away from this material.
It's nostalgic posting about the old PUA/early Red Pill days. I kinda miss those types of writing in today's manosphere where every bloke and "aware" lass is clearly grifting and building their own walled-garden of scams.
 
Was reading through a couple of the posts and I got early 2010s manosphere/PUA vibes too - not just from the content but downright to the formatting of the content where paragraphs are made short with lots of spacing and of course the links to the e-books that are for sale. The one difference is the old school blogs at least tried to give solutions. Good Looking Loser had a heavily monetized website but even if you never bought anything off of there you there was at least useful information. In the case of this website not only is the information not really new, it isn't going to inspire anyone to do anything except fill up the "Destruction of Modern Women" thread with yet more posts lamenting the lack of virgin sub 25 year old women.
 
Let's face it, men can be just as superficial and picky as women. I've heard a lot of excuses from friends who are single who are average looking at best.
Everything from "she is chubby", "she has a weird laugh", "you can see her gums when she smiles". They never even give them a chance because they are waiting for a 9 or 10 to fall head over heels for them. Meanwhile they are letting good women slip through the cracks.
 
I haven't followed Natty or Not for years, but I found him useful and entertaining. Understanding that I have genetic limits that no amount of hard work, changes to rep ranges, crazy new secret exercises no one else knows about, etc. will get me past them without drugs is inspiring in a way. Helps me feel happy with what I've achieve in the weight room as a natty over the last decade, which I'd describe as "pretty good, but nothing special."
 
I would also agree that there's usually not a Chad they're focused on.
I think that is an oversimplified view. Often there is a chad somewhere in the picture but he's not a boyfriend or even potential boyfriend. Chad might go on a few dates, smash the mediocre girl then bounce. Its more accurate to say there are no Chads committing to them. But like a gambling addict playing the slot machines these women they never quit while they are ahead (settle with an average guy) and instead keep playing hoping to hit the jackpot (marry chad) which never happens in 99% of cases.
 
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Let's face it, men can be just as superficial and picky as women. I've heard a lot of excuses from friends who are single who are average looking at best.
Everything from "she is chubby", "she has a weird laugh", "you can see her gums when she smiles". They never even give them a chance because they are waiting for a 9 or 10 to fall head over heels for them. Meanwhile they are letting good women slip through the cracks.
I disagree. Most men would not pick on minor things if the woman was an 18 year virgin which is what the average man had access to 100 years ago. Most women never got commitment from a Chad even 100 years ago. The difference is 100 years ago women were content with average men so its really women who have increased their expectations while men have actually lowered their standards.
 
I think that is an oversimplified view. Often there is a chad somewhere in the picture but he's not a boyfriend or even potential boyfriend. Chad might go on a few dates, smash the mediocre girl then bounce. Its more accurate to say there are no Chads committing to them. But like a gambling addict playing the slot machines these women they never quit while they are ahead (settle with an average guy) and instead keep playing hoping to hit the jackpot (marry chad) which never happens in 99% of cases.
I absolutely agree for most of the non-religious women out there sleeping around and participating in modern dating.

But I don't really try to meet women like that anymore. I guess a lot of modern Christian women are annoying too, but for different reasons.
 
Women are this woman are that i really dont care anymore. alpha male beta male whatever. Normal people dont think like that we become mental freaks consuming this the same way feminists and extreme leftists sound like nutcases to regular people who are living in the real world.

There are millions of suitable women on this planet you only need one and if thats not happening youve only got yourself to blame. how much did all this info actually benefit anyone. keep it simple and just be a normal human being and build genuine social connections.

Try to forget, try to let go, stop being angry and bitter. Apreciate the good memories you do have with women, focus on the good. Try to repent, seek god, work on healing yourself, less time judging others and society and consuming relationship content.

In the end it didnt bring me anything that i didnt already have within naturally and if anything it was harmfull and led me down the wrong paths.

We have all the tools inside of us to succeed just like our ancestors did naturally. All this extra info and analyzing does is cover up the natural good qualities you have inside that you can refine and grow by living life. second hand analysis and consuming of information and incorporating it into yourself will only distort and warp your personality in unnatural ways.
 
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I disagree. Most men would not pick on minor things if the woman was an 18 year virgin which is what the average man had access to 100 years ago. Most women never got commitment from a Chad even 100 years ago. The difference is 100 years ago women were content with average men so its really women who have increased their expectations while men have actually lowered their standards.
Men have actually lowered their standards a lot, at least here in the US, to an extent that I find staggering. I'm verging into a completely different topic, but witness the plague of "thick" and "a fat ass" we have going on. The first means "something between regular fat and morbidly obese" and the second means exactly what it says. Incredibly, these are both considered good things here now. Part of this is that African beauty standards are becoming dominant (Black guys really do like women who are too big for a normal white man) and part of it is a sort of pathetic Stockholm syndrome where most men can only get a fat girl so they try to convince themselves that, yeah, that's what I prefer.

Inevitably on social media if an image of girl who's thin and pretty appears you get a deluge of comments from losers about her needing to eat something, needing some meat on her bones, etc. Especially if she has normal sized breasts. I'm not talking about emaciated, just attractively thin. An actual, desirable woman appears and they're reminded of what they'll never have, so they go into attack mode and maybe possibly get a pat on the head from some chick with a BMI of 32 who's, admittedly, probably far into the top half here given how far standards have fallen since the 1980s when I was in high school and American women were some of the most beautiful on the planet.

I swear, it's true. They were.

I hate it. Would ban such behavior and use my secret police force to harshly oppress men who do this if I were absolute dictator. Now it's fine if you like a girl who's more on the curvy side, if you're using "curvy" correctly (see below) but this denigration of the 2% of American women (statistic pulled straight out of my ass) who still care about being thin and feminine will not stand.

Getting back to the topic at hand, another just as reliable and scientifically researched statistic is that for every fitness girl who lifts regularly and stays fit, lean, and toned and cares about her figure, there are at least five guys who do the same.
 
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I don't see what sort of value anyone is supposed to take away from this material.
The good and accurate ideas. That's what this forum is about.
They never even give them a chance because they are waiting for a 9 or 10 to fall head over heels for them. Meanwhile they are letting good women slip through the cracks.
No, not at all. Why do the critics always make more of a(n) (extreme) claim than the people they are criticizing?
Its more accurate to say there are no Chads committing to them.
Precisely.
The difference is 100 years ago women were content with average men so its really women who have increased their expectations while men have actually lowered their standards.
Not even a debate, yes. What's more, the key is that women have to "need" you (in their minds, which includes societal pressures). They don't, so depopulation coming.
There are millions of suitable women on this planet you only need one and if thats not happening youve only got yourself to blame.
Again, if you're a top 10% and women are fat, on drugs, not young, not into committing when they are actually valuable, that's YOUR fault. lol
In the end it didnt bring me anything that i didnt already have within naturally and if anything it was harmfull and led me down the wrong paths.
The modern society brought some opportunity, but mostly technology, disruption of connection of all people, and awful women as a rule (whether they are to blame is irrelevant as it is the case).
Men have actually lowered their standards a lot, at least here in the US, to an extent that I find staggering.
Proving the point.
given how far standards have fallen since the 1980s when I was in high school and American women were some of the most beautiful on the planet.
Exactly.

Again, it's always the married guys that urge others to undergo altruistic behavior so they can have some hope for the future. I always find that funny. I remember this seemingly cool, nice and informed tech guy that said that a while back - he was a big BTC proponent too - and had a family. He had converted to EO, and the video posted here was about pagan religions of the past, how they are coming back, or gnostic stuff, etc. He said in the video (we were all posting on the married and guys with kids topic) that "I have huge promise for the future with all this change". LOL, super cope hope.
 
Women are this woman are that i really dont care anymore. alpha male beta male whatever. Normal people dont think like that we become mental freaks consuming this the same way feminists and extreme leftists sound like nutcases to regular people who are living in the real world.

There are millions of suitable women on this planet you only need one and if thats not happening youve only got yourself to blame. how much did all this info actually benefit anyone. keep it simple and just be a normal human being and build genuine social connections.

Try to forget, try to let go, stop being angry and bitter. Apreciate the good memories you do have with women, focus on the good. Try to repent, seek god, work on healing yourself, less time judging others and society and consuming relationship content.

In the end it didnt bring me anything that i didnt already have within naturally and if anything it was harmfull and led me down the wrong paths.

We have all the tools inside of us to succeed just like our ancestors did naturally. All this extra info and analyzing does is cover up the natural good qualities you have inside that you can refine and grow by living life. second hand analysis and consuming of information and incorporating it into yourself will only distort and warp your personality in unnatural ways.
I agree for the most part. There are still nice women out there, and none of this stuff matters when you talk to them. It's like all the resentment automatically goes away.

But a lot of the times guys are just venting on here. It is a freak show out there and we have to put up with a lot of nonsense along the way. Sometimes it's nice to let that frustration out and know you're not alone.

You are right though. No need to dwell on it. If anything, use it as a learning opportunity to really appreciate a normal woman when you meet her. On a personal level, it actually feels nice to finally have the confidence to meet quality women.
 
Let's face it, men can be just as superficial and picky as women. I've heard a lot of excuses from friends who are single who are average looking at best.
Everything from "she is chubby", "she has a weird laugh", "you can see her gums when she smiles". They never even give them a chance because they are waiting for a 9 or 10 to fall head over heels for them. Meanwhile they are letting good women slip through the cracks.
You have a good point, but hotter women are actually nicer to men in my experience. At least the religious ones. You have to go for one of them if you get the opportunity and the timing is right.
 
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