Moving Abroad Before the Collapse

[jayco]

Regarding marriage in other countries, people used to get married young, usually to the same age ones, at least in my Slavic culture. Marriages with big age gap usually were for status and wealth, in more affluent circles, and considered not love marriages. Most of my school classmate girls had married young, around 18-20 years old, to the guys 0-3 years older, pretty much following the old tradition, only it used to be 16-17 y.o. marriage age. Women who married much older men had been seen as gold diggers by most people, though such things were not said in one's face. 5-7 years max had been pretty commonly accepted age gap but the average gap is 2.5 years, just like what I saw with girls from my town many years ago. I don't think it's much different accross the West. The bigger age gaps seem to be the norm in Africa and parts of Asia (not China or Japan). In European cultures marrying around the same age group I think its been the tradition, not a new thing. It makes sense because people of the same age group tend to share common interests, have same energy levels and close remaining lifespan, marriage used to be a forever thing so spouses expected a long life together staying around the same health and activity levels. Most Asian women whose family has means or who got own money tend to marry around their own age, got to be careful around people wanting money or green card not being genuine, some have very utiitarian view of marrage

 

[analyst_green]

Regarding marriage in other countries, people used to get married young, usually to the same age ones, at least in my Slavic culture. Marriages with big age gap usually were for status and wealth, in more affluent circles, and considered not love marriages. Most of my school classmate girls had married young, around 18-20 years old, to the guys 0-3 years older, pretty much following the old tradition, only it used to be 16-17 y.o. marriage age. Women who married much older men had been seen as gold diggers by most people, though such things were not said in one's face. 5-7 years max had been pretty commonly accepted age gap but the average gap is 2.5 years, just like what I saw with girls from my town many years ago. I don't think it's much different accross the West. The bigger age gaps seem to be the norm in Africa and parts of Asia (not China or Japan). In European cultures marrying around the same age group I think its been the tradition, not a new thing. It makes sense because people of the same age group tend to share common interests, have same energy levels and close remaining lifespan, marriage used to be a forever thing so spouses expected a long life together staying around the same health and activity levels. Most Asian women whose family has means or who got own money tend to marry around their own age, got to be careful around people wanting money or green card not being genuine, some have very utiitarian view of marrage

Are you from some small country town or something? Average age of marriage for women is not below 25 anywhere in Europe. Where do you see 18 year olds getting married en masse?

Regarding the age gap, in my experience in the Balkans at least the girl is only regarded as a gold digger if the guy looks like a slob and it's clear she's in it for the money. And most of those guys get cheated on. If he is good looking or carries himself well you don't see that.

No one obsesses about it like feminist women in the west. Yeah a 15-20+ year age gap will get some looks anywhere, but not enough to shame most women so it's not a total blocker in my opinion. I'm not saying it's the norm but not unusual either. As long as you're realistic and you're not a 50 year old man chasing 18 year olds.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Im currently in South East Asia as an expat with my folks. If I were to settle in the states, what would be the best places in your opinions?

There are too many variables to give specific advice. The USA probably has the most diverse geographic and livable areas of any country and, outside of its big cities, many rural areas have adequate to excellent infrastructure, roads, etc.

There is also no history of widespread authoritarianism, martial law, etc., but there is a history of people seeking independence and living apart, which admittedly has its pros and cons, but certainly allows for groups of like-minded people to live somewhat parallel to the mainstream.

The Amish have demonstrated how to do this and the recent Return to the Land white intentional community initiative by Aarvoll in northwest Arkansas has as well.

All of this means that enforcement of draconian measures, such as those during covid, can be avoided and sidestepped in the USA moreso than any other major country, which is a good indicator of how things will play out during the next major crisis.

No other country has a combination of free speech and personal ownership of weapons like the USA, which means you can live safely outside of the cities no matter how dangerous they become.

I think the most difficult problem in the USA to solve is health care, which had the side-effect of increasing the availability of other types of medicine and providing more choices outside the mainstream. The cost of childbirth is outrageous, but that has increased the availability of mid-wives.

These large-scale problems have spurred a small minority of self-starting people to find solutions, and I think it is this minority of Americans who can thrive and survive in the USA better than in any other place in the world.

Smaller countries with histories of martial law and other authoritarianism, like Vietnam, which just passed a draconian digital biometric ID law and debanked millions of its citizens, as well as Thailand, which has an extensive history of martial law in the past century, are completely unpredictable for what the future may bring. Most expats in those places have one foot in and one foot out, always making contingency plans for leaving when things go bad.

Likewise for Russia because of its history of authoritarianism of the past 100 years. Although is has some clear advantages to the USA, and its strict covid restrictions, such as its digital passport, were not as consistently enforced as they were in China (according to Endeavour, a Canadian who lived in St. Petersburg during covid), I think it's a lesser choice for avoiding the worse consequences of future calamities initiated by those who brought us covid and other world-shaping events.

Pretty much every country has some seriously detrimental law for which there are no exceptions, whereas in the USA you can avoid these based on where and how you live. For example, in Germany you can't home school. In Hungary, there are absolutely no exceptions whatsoever to the extensive course of mandatory vaccinations, not even for people who've already been seriously injured by other vaccinations. The UK has hate speech laws stricter than China, while most of Europe is almost as bad in that regard.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

in the Balkans at least the girl is only regarded as a gold digger if the guy looks like a slob and it's clear she's in it for the money. And most of those guys get cheated on. If he is good looking or carries himself well you don't see that.

So basically, if people don't like you, neither will the women. Fascinating.

 

[Blade Runner]

Combine this with hardships, bad weather, or isolation and this can be a bone breaking task. Main thing not to have idealized view of other countries, life's problems are pretty much the same everywhere and it boils down to one being able to solve them. Cultural difference and language barrier can sometimes prevent one from quickly seeing things for what they are.

I think the point is, and has been on this and the prior forum, that after some time the only fulfilling thing that changes life very much is woman and family. It also gives purpose to a younger man, which is why it's so sad that younger marriages don't take place for both sexes. But that's what the goal of feminism and the government is in terms of what is best to control everyone.

It makes sense because people of the same age group tend to share common interests, have same energy levels and close remaining lifespan, marriage used to be a forever thing so spouses expected a long life together staying around the same health and activity levels.

Yes, this does make the most sense. The problem is that you have to have a concerted effort and culture to make women realize that this is how things go, you need to marry early or else it doesn't work.

Regarding the age gap, in my experience in the Balkans at least the girl is only regarded as a gold digger if the guy looks like a slob and it's clear she's in it for the money. And most of those guys get cheated on. If he is good looking or carries himself well you don't see that.

Yes, it's highly depended on the example. Those "age of first marriage" numbers are well beyond even Rollo's 29 epiphany, which is usually the extent of the scam, so most extending to 31-33 is super dire. The only good thing is that it's a sign that it's something to stay away from entirely.

Pretty much every country has some seriously detrimental law for which there are no exceptions, whereas in the USA you can avoid these based on where and how you live.

I agree that the US is the best, and it isn't really close. Especially since given your status, work, and wealth, you don't necessarily even need the healthcare parts. It is true that most people do need it though, and even more true that very few are honest about their actual health and physical condition. Most people are in average to bad shape but want to believe that they are still somewhat similar to being young, sorta like some nostalgia that they were great and also in good shape in high school, that they used to be better and they could do XYZ, and to be honest most of it is a lie and narrative to preserve ego.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Throwing in this additional item to support my thesis that the USA is the best country in the world for people who have the initiative to establish self-reliance in just one major aspect of their lives.

Since covid, several men at church have lost jobs in their area of expertise and have either had to completely change their career or look for new types of employment, for which Information Technology seems to have the most opportunities for lateral changes.

While posing many challenges and obstacles, these men have all discovered that without even having to move from their top10 US city, they could continue to support their families outside of corporate jobs in the Fortune 1000, which as we know is gradually tightening the screws on their employees to conform to more and more requirements of globohomo both ideologically and medically.

One man when from a high-level mortgage analyst to running a combination roofing / cleaning company, all while his oldest son became unemployable and homebound—but not bedridden—because of a chronic illness that has no treatment.

The USA is one of the only places in the world where you could see such multiplicity of opportunity.

 

[NSOE]

Average age of marriage for women is not below 25 anywhere in Europe

We must take cohabitation before marriage into account. Where I grew up people form couples early but delay marriage, more common when I was young, but live together as if married. This is prevalent in PL, although the Church frowns on it people do what they want, children follow behind them walking to the altar lol.

Throwing in this additional item to support my thesis that the USA is the best country in the world for people who have the initiative to establish self-reliance in just one major aspect of their lives.

If you want unparalled convenience, I like disinfecting wipes at the entrance to every store for example, quality of life and opportunities as a smart white man, the US wins.

You can home school, no need to notify any 'officials' in my state, I've always liked the castle doctrine/stand your ground laws, and a jury trial, so much better and you have a fighting chance compared to Europe where a malevolent robed clown decides about your life.

People lost jobs refusing COVID shots and won millions in compensation, where else has this happened. You (including illegals and Chinese or Russian spies) can sue cops with a real chance of prevailing, any direct problems you may experience have nothing to do with Americans, zero. In other places the autochthons themselves are problematic.

Cutting edge medical technology if you need surgery, DEI employment in hospitals is an issue of course.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Don't cross the meme streams!

Regarding the age gap, in my experience in the Balkans at least the girl is only regarded as a gold digger if the guy looks like a slob and it's clear she's in it for the money. And most of those guys get cheated on. If he is good looking or carries himself well you don't see that.

 

[jayco]

Don't cross the meme streams!



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There used to be a lot of that stuff in Russia too, back in the 90s but luckily things are changing and lots of beautiful young same age couples. Those gold digger girls aren't looked well upon. The pond is getting cleaner

 

[jayco]

I'm Outback kind of person, following dating opportunities accross the world isn't my thing, the other thread about Texas had reminded me how Australia is another great country. Absolutely huge unpopulated outback to get lost in and low crime. Same size as the mainland USA and population density 30 times less than mainland USA (which does not include Alaska). As to pesky and crazy politics: it will always be happening, in any country, one got to learn to navigate around it and ignore it, eventually that stuff tends to die on its own and go away, or get replaced by another crazy political thing,that's the nature of human society. In the older times you might have gotten drafted into the war, now you just need to ignore crazy politicians, not a bad deal.

 

[Blade Runner]

As to pesky and crazy politics: it will always be happening, in any country, one got to learn to navigate around it and ignore it, eventually that stuff tends to die on its own and go away, or get replaced by another crazy political thing,that's the nature of human society. In the older times you might have gotten drafted into the war, now you just need to ignore crazy politicians, not a bad deal.

Yes, I do tell people that one should (if he complains) at least be honest that modernity has offered many things that are good, even though they come with a lot of bad. Much convenience, reasonable opportunity if you are above average, reasonably cheap energy, etc. Of course we're ascending into crisis and compare things to the recent past, so things seem relatively sucky, indeed. But the grass is greener phenomenon is always at work, if we're honest.

The biggest counter to this is that for all of the material, the biggest thing they snatched from most men, including really solid men (who are objectively higher quality than most of the past) is decent or suitable women. And that includes young women. One can't be honest and not say that's a huge thing to take away from life, considering the point of life in general is to pair up and pass on your experiences to and through your kids, and grandkids.

 

[jayco]

Yes, I do tell people that one should (if he complains) at least be honest that modernity has offered many things that are good, even though they come with a lot of bad. Much convenience, reasonable opportunity if you are above average, reasonably cheap energy, etc. Of course we're ascending into crisis and compare things to the recent past, so things seem relatively sucky, indeed. But the grass is greener phenomenon is always at work, if we're honest.

The biggest counter to this is that for all of the material, the biggest thing they snatched from most men, including really solid men (who are objectively higher quality than most of the past) is decent or suitable women. And that includes young women. One can't be honest and not say that's a huge thing to take away from life, considering the point of life in general is to pair up and pass on your experiences to and through your kids, and grandkids.

To me, the biggest snatch is taking away the ability to live simple, without modern "conveniences" (which are really traps), increase in rules (like building codes and banning of outhouses), urbanization which is often seen even in rural areas, forced consumerism, greatly increased number of people everywhere. But there are still ways to live in own way and avoid all the above, I guess it's the same with everything else, finding the way around things

 

[jayco]

One thing that concerns me is not the change itself, which is the nature of life, but acceleration of change. The rate of change had greatly increased in the last couple of centuries, then much more so in the last decades and it seems to be speeding up exponentially, rapid technological evolution escalating into social changes. I definitely want to have no part of that. People used to live pretty much the same way from bitrth to death, changes being barely seen. I think different people might be feeling it differently, for some its women being taken away, for others its digital tracking, or too much technology everywhere. America is probably the the best country for those who grew up here, not worth going through the huge hassle of adjustment and assimilation elsewhere, unless its something like Australia, English speaking, but life is America is not simple, very technologically driven and consumerist and very high pressure, unless one is on fixed income like pension already.

Then you can shut that life off and drive to a store once in a couple of weeks or months, but even just coming to a store this rapid increase in changes is noticeable and stressful. It starts with too many cars on the road, modern cars being too fast for the state of highways, with rude, impatient and unskilled drivers, in a store, its full of junk, basically, instead of healthy food, have to traverse big distance from one healthy item to another passung endless dystopian rows of junk, same impatient people and crowds, centralization of food supply into the hands of few big corporations, masks earlier, bad customer service in most places, fast impatient drivers in parking lots, parking lots crowded/used to be empty, digital coupons requring the hassle of using store app, high prices that demand high income or wealth, aka being a part of the beast system. There is agitated bee hive feel to society, almost everywhere. Obsession with economic growth and competition, population increase being necessary for that. I grew up where I could walk to a store, with only few but high quaility foods available, no "coupons" either, this is how I want to live. I'm fine with driving to a store for hours though, as soon as the road is desolate.

 

[Blade Runner]

To me, the biggest snatch is taking away the ability to live simple, without modern "conveniences" (which are really traps), increase in rules (like building codes and banning of outhouses), urbanization which is often seen even in rural areas, forced consumerism, greatly increased number of people everywhere.

Those incidentally are what made for feminism and sustained it, again pointing to women changing and being overall just weak versions of men.

But there are still ways to live in own way and avoid all the above, I guess it's the same with everything else, finding the way around things

That's why it's really only the woman and family formation question that matters. Everyone creates their own narrative and all men and fathers of the past act like it "life was hard" but the truth now is that most of it is risk and not very rewarding.

but life is America is not simple, very technologically driven and consumerist and very high pressure, unless one is on fixed income like pension already.

Correct. And that's why people are going towards financial independence and taking shots to guarantee this so they can say FU earlier, since corporations and the government can mess with you so easily, or create slave-like schedules for you that seem to never end.

And this is coming from someone with a job that is high end professional that won't really go away in recessions, but keeps getting worse still.

Obsession with economic growth and competition, population increase being necessary for that.

Yes, but we're at the end of that now. The question is how quickly the firing, inflation, and robots come on the scene. They're already creating more reasons to not employ or fire people; things could get ugly as soon as 2028.