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Is there more to nuclear bombs than we know?


Draw you own conclusions, is this fake or real? Russian "nukes" are as fake an US nukes. It's a collective lie.


What are you talking about? This footage looks completely real. Not only that but it wasn't released until 2020 by Putin, which means Soviets kept it as top secret in order to avoid negative press at the time. This also further supports the footage being real; why would they hide fake footage?

Now, American test vids of nukes may be fake, but that doesn't mean nukes are fake. Also your theory that all governments secretly cooperate with each other is an unverified theory that you assume is true, moreover it's completely contradicted by history. Never have humans been united in anything, let alone across the entire world. Yet you use this baseless theory to support your claim that nukes are fake, which shows me you aren't serious about intellectual discussion.
 
This thread as mushroom clouds dot the abnormally brightened horizon.

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What are you talking about? This footage looks completely real. Not only that but it wasn't released until 2020 by Putin, which means Soviets kept it as top secret in order to avoid negative press at the time. This also further supports the footage being real; why would they hide fake footage?

Now, American test vids of nukes may be fake, but that doesn't mean nukes are fake.

Elites always cooperated and looked for alliances.

Some famous marriages:
Marie Antoinette of Austria and Louis XVI of France (1770) - Marie Antoinette was an Archduchess of Austria, and her marriage to Louis XVI, the Dauphin of France (later King), was an attempt to solidify the alliance between the Bourbon monarchy of France and the Habsburgs of Austria.
Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine (1152) - Eleanor was one of the most wealthy and powerful women in Europe, and her marriage to Henry II brought the Aquitaine territory to the English Crown. Their marriage also consolidated lands and power in France, making the English monarchy stronger.
Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon (1469) - Their marriage is one of the most famous in history because it led to the unification of Spain. Both were heirs to their respective thrones, and their union eventually brought together the kingdoms of Castile and Aragon.

Nothing different today.

Also your theory that all governments secretly cooperate with each other is an unverified theory that you assume is true, moreover it's completely contradicted by history. Never have humans been united in anything, let alone across the entire world.

No secrets. Look at the UN, all these countries work together on "humanitarian right" "world health" etc etc.

Based on these regulations all the migrants come to your country.

This is indeed unique in history to have such a large alliance. That's unique about post WW2 history.

. Yet you use this baseless theory to support your claim that nukes are fake, which shows me you aren't serious about intellectual discussion.
It's not baseless. I just showed you the cooperation.

Take also the G20; China, Russia, the US are in there.

Take also the fake "space program", Russia and the US are both in on the ISS

Because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean I'm not serious.

These elites are all in bed with each other, in some cases very literal.
 
Elites always cooperated and looked for alliances.

Some famous marriages:
Marie Antoinette of Austria and Louis XVI of France (1770) - Marie Antoinette was an Archduchess of Austria, and her marriage to Louis XVI, the Dauphin of France (later King), was an attempt to solidify the alliance between the Bourbon monarchy of France and the Habsburgs of Austria.
Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine (1152) - Eleanor was one of the most wealthy and powerful women in Europe, and her marriage to Henry II brought the Aquitaine territory to the English Crown. Their marriage also consolidated lands and power in France, making the English monarchy stronger.
Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon (1469) - Their marriage is one of the most famous in history because it led to the unification of Spain. Both were heirs to their respective thrones, and their union eventually brought together the kingdoms of Castile and Aragon.

Nothing different today.



No secrets. Look at the UN, all these countries work together on "humanitarian right" "world health" etc etc.

Based on these regulations all the migrants come to your country.

This is indeed unique in history to have such a large alliance. That's unique about post WW2 history.


It's not baseless. I just showed you the cooperation.

Take also the G20; China, Russia, the US are in there.

Take also the fake "space program", Russia and the US are both in on the ISS

Because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean I'm not serious.

These elites are all in bed with each other, in some cases very literal.
It seems a bit like pulling straws at random then throwing em in a pila and saying "look at my hay bale" here.

Just because there is collusion on some things at some level doesn't mean there is collusion here.

Why would we want to prevent rocket man from getting a No-Dong ICBM if we didn't bereive dat nukes was rears yarr?

They don't need nuclear weapons to coerce populations. We've seen that already. All they have to do is threaten a bank collapse. Why would they keep so much time and money invested in this when there are better resource investments that have more direct impact on control?
 
Sadly the nukes are real. We conduct nuclear tests (or we did ip until the 1992 test ban signed by all of the nuclear powers)

Part of the reason Hiroshima location was selected was because it’s a valley that would collect and maintain radiation dust/fallout. While it was smaller size and yield compared to Fatman/Nagasaki it was more deadly for that reason.

In one of the tests , castle bravo, in 1954, we nuked a Japanese fishing boat on accident while conducting a nuclear test, the lucky dragon 2. One of the sailors died from fallout radiation poisoning, the others got sick from it but recovered. Were they faking?

The nuclear radiation is no joke. Ask the people of Chernobyl, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and try convincing them the nuclear radiation is a hoax.
 
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Sadly the nukes are real. We conduct nuclear tests (or we did ip until the 1992 test ban signed by all of the nuclear powers)

Part of the reason Hiroshima location was selected was because it’s a valley that would collect and maintain radiation dust/fallout. While it was smaller size and yield compared to Fatman/Nagasaki it was more deadly for that reason.

In one of the tests , castle bravo, in 1954, we nuked a Japanese fishing boat on accident while conducting a nuclear test, the lucky dragon 2. One of the sailors died from fallout radiation poisoning, the others got sick from it but recovered. Were they faking?

The nuclear radiation is no joke. Ask the people of Chernobyl, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and try convincing them the nuclear radiation is a hoax.
Can you prove any of these statements?

For instance, let's say that nuclear weapon tests appear on official records. Does that necessarily mean they actually occurred as recorded?
 
Tourists used to go to Vegas to see the skies light up and see the mushroom clouds. Thousands of people worked at the Nevada Test Site, so they saw the nukes closer up. It was very public.

If I were one of those tourists I might be convinced. Or I might have some questions.
 
Elites always cooperated and looked for alliances.

Some famous marriages:
Marie Antoinette of Austria and Louis XVI of France (1770) - Marie Antoinette was an Archduchess of Austria, and her marriage to Louis XVI, the Dauphin of France (later King), was an attempt to solidify the alliance between the Bourbon monarchy of France and the Habsburgs of Austria.
Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine (1152) - Eleanor was one of the most wealthy and powerful women in Europe, and her marriage to Henry II brought the Aquitaine territory to the English Crown. Their marriage also consolidated lands and power in France, making the English monarchy stronger.
Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon (1469) - Their marriage is one of the most famous in history because it led to the unification of Spain. Both were heirs to their respective thrones, and their union eventually brought together the kingdoms of Castile and Aragon.

If I put up a bunch of examples of elites that have gone to war with each other through out human history does that mean elites always go to war and never cooperate?
 
Can you prove any of these statements?

For instance, let's say that nuclear weapon tests appear on official records. Does that necessarily mean they actually occurred as recorded?
If you want to talk conspiracy, in the weeks and months after the 1986 chernobyl disaster, Mikael Gorbachev tried to cover it up. The fallout to the surrounding areas abd water supplies was extensive. They could not cover it up indefinitely


Can you prove any of these statements?

For instance, let's say that nuclear weapon tests appear on official records. Does that necessarily mean they actually occurred as recorded?
After the test ban in 1992, the USA declassified all of the information we had on nuclear testing. This was real news at the time, the scientists working for llnl were floored that this information was made public.

They even made a documentary movie (narrated by William Shatner from Star Trek!) chronicling the testing we did over the years. They used pigs a lot, I mean they would have a batch of pigs 100 yards away from the epicenter then 500 yards away then 1000 yards away etc

It’s worth a watch.



Countries like China and India kept testing after 1992 even after agreeing to a test ban

Edit, To try to say that nuclear energy/nuclear weapons do not exist is about as foolish as the faggots who insist that hiv/aids doesn’t exist, on their way to a sex party where they get the hiv

Edit I’m re watching trinity and beyond, we denoated a nuke above 5 Air Force officers during operation plumbomb.

Some of these early nuke tests were really questiinable



One of the very first tests, Trinity, just before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we detonated a nuclear test in New Mexico, with no warning to the local population, https://www.history.com/news/atomic-bomb-test-victims-new-mexico-downwinders#

Even had a cover story


Manhattan Project leaders carefully selected test sites. Remote locations like the Tularosa Basin of New Mexico offered many strategic advantages. Known only to top scientists and military officials, the Trinity Test Site was about 200 miles southeast of Los Alamos National Laboratory. The environment was flat and arid. Scientists also believed that the site’s generally low and predictable winds would limit the spread of radiation.

Despite their goal of secrecy, the blast was visible up to 160 miles away. Witnesses from as far as Albuquerque and El Paso described a huge fireball and mushroom cloud. Although few people lived in the surrounding Jornado Del Muerto Desert, some ranchers and their cattle lived 13 miles from the Trinity Test Site. Tens of thousands lived within 50 miles. They were not informed about the test until after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Scientists and military officials prioritized secrecy. In a press release, they described the explosion as an accident involving ammunition and pyrotechnics. Although there were no injuries, the release stated that weather conditions may require some civilians to evacuate. Manhattan Project leaders eventually decided against an evacuation, which they worried would heighten suspicion or incite panic.

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The Trinity Test marked the first time a nuclear device was ever detonated and the first time that a nuclear bomb was ever tested. Manhattan Project scientists loaded the device, known as the Gadget, with 13 pounds of weapon-grade plutonium. Only 3 pounds were necessary for the fission reaction. They knew that the Trinity Test would generate large amounts of fallout, but the fallout pattern was far less certain.

Scientists rigged the Gadget to drop from a 100-foot tower. Because the Trinity Test was relatively close to the ground, it shot large amounts of radiation up into the atmosphere. Radioactive fallout descended to the northeast over an area about 250 miles long and 200 miles wide. Scientists tracked part of the fallout pattern as far as the Atlantic Ocean. The greatest concentration of fallout settled on the Chupadera Mesa, 30 miles from the test site. After Trinity, the military changed tactics. They began timing explosions above the ground to reduce the dispersal of radioactive fallout.

In New Mexico, radiation landed on vegetables and cattle and contaminated the water supply. Many people in rural New Mexico lacked running water and collected rainwater that ran off of roofs in large cisterns, or holding tanks. Most locals also grew most of their own food and raised livestock for meat. Eating foods with high levels of radiation has been linked to cancer, stillbirth, and birth defects.

Manhattan Project scientists took precautions to study the outcomes of the Trinity Test. To protect against radiation, they used lead-lined tanks to collect rock samples and required the use of protective gear for those working around the detonation point. Scientists also purchased some of the cattle that sustained severe burns to study the effects of radiation. They did not collect any data about civilian exposure, concerned that this might alarm the public. The novelty of the Trinity Test meant that civilians did not understand the severity of radiation exposure, even after the government disclosed that the blinding explosion on the morning of July 16 had been an atomic bomb.“

Please by all means tell these people in New Mexico and Japan that nuclear weapons are fake .
 
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If you want to talk conspiracy, in the weeks and months after the 1986 chernobyl disaster, Mikael Gorbachev tried to cover it up. The fallout to the surrounding areas abd water supplies was extensive. They could not cover it up indefinitely



After the test ban in 1992, the USA declassified all of the information we had on nuclear testing. This was real news at the time, the scientists working for llnl were floored that this information was made public.

They even made a documentary movie (narrated by William Shatner from Star Trek!) chronicling the testing we did over the years. They used pigs a lot, I mean they would have a batch of pigs 100 yards away from the epicenter then 500 yards away then 1000 yards away etc

It’s worth a watch.



Countries like China and India kept testing after 1992 even after agreeing to a test ban

Edit, To try to say that nuclear energy/nuclear weapons do not exist is about as foolish as the faggots who insist that hiv/aids doesn’t exist, on their way to a sex party where they get the hiv

Edit I’m re watching trinity and beyond, we denoated a nuke above 5 Air Force officers during operation plumbomb.

Some of these early nuke tests were really questiinable



One of the very first tests, Trinity, just before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we detonated a nuclear test in New Mexico, with no warning to the local population, https://www.history.com/news/atomic-bomb-test-victims-new-mexico-downwinders#

Even had a cover story


Manhattan Project leaders carefully selected test sites. Remote locations like the Tularosa Basin of New Mexico offered many strategic advantages. Known only to top scientists and military officials, the Trinity Test Site was about 200 miles southeast of Los Alamos National Laboratory. The environment was flat and arid. Scientists also believed that the site’s generally low and predictable winds would limit the spread of radiation.

Despite their goal of secrecy, the blast was visible up to 160 miles away. Witnesses from as far as Albuquerque and El Paso described a huge fireball and mushroom cloud. Although few people lived in the surrounding Jornado Del Muerto Desert, some ranchers and their cattle lived 13 miles from the Trinity Test Site. Tens of thousands lived within 50 miles. They were not informed about the test until after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Scientists and military officials prioritized secrecy. In a press release, they described the explosion as an accident involving ammunition and pyrotechnics. Although there were no injuries, the release stated that weather conditions may require some civilians to evacuate. Manhattan Project leaders eventually decided against an evacuation, which they worried would heighten suspicion or incite panic.

IMG_3610.png



The Trinity Test marked the first time a nuclear device was ever detonated and the first time that a nuclear bomb was ever tested. Manhattan Project scientists loaded the device, known as the Gadget, with 13 pounds of weapon-grade plutonium. Only 3 pounds were necessary for the fission reaction. They knew that the Trinity Test would generate large amounts of fallout, but the fallout pattern was far less certain.

Scientists rigged the Gadget to drop from a 100-foot tower. Because the Trinity Test was relatively close to the ground, it shot large amounts of radiation up into the atmosphere. Radioactive fallout descended to the northeast over an area about 250 miles long and 200 miles wide. Scientists tracked part of the fallout pattern as far as the Atlantic Ocean. The greatest concentration of fallout settled on the Chupadera Mesa, 30 miles from the test site. After Trinity, the military changed tactics. They began timing explosions above the ground to reduce the dispersal of radioactive fallout.

In New Mexico, radiation landed on vegetables and cattle and contaminated the water supply. Many people in rural New Mexico lacked running water and collected rainwater that ran off of roofs in large cisterns, or holding tanks. Most locals also grew most of their own food and raised livestock for meat. Eating foods with high levels of radiation has been linked to cancer, stillbirth, and birth defects.

Manhattan Project scientists took precautions to study the outcomes of the Trinity Test. To protect against radiation, they used lead-lined tanks to collect rock samples and required the use of protective gear for those working around the detonation point. Scientists also purchased some of the cattle that sustained severe burns to study the effects of radiation. They did not collect any data about civilian exposure, concerned that this might alarm the public. The novelty of the Trinity Test meant that civilians did not understand the severity of radiation exposure, even after the government disclosed that the blinding explosion on the morning of July 16 had been an atomic bomb.“

Please by all means tell these people in New Mexico and Japan that nuclear weapons are fake .

To me it's incredible you belief this, can't you see that this what you are told is a secular "faith"?

I mean what have you experienced yourself of radiation? What have you seen of the devastating effects of "Nuclear bombs"?
  • In the weeks and months after the 1986 chernobyl disaster, Mikael Gorbachev tried to cover it up
    Really? Were you there? Is this the man from the pizza hut commercial?
  • After the test ban in 1992, the USA declassified all of the information we had on nuclear testing
    Do you really believe the state opened up?
  • They even made a documentary movie (narrated by William Shatner from Star Trek!)
    😂 They are mocking us.. USS Enterprise is real too right?
  • They used pigs a lot, I mean they would have a batch of pigs 100 yards away from the epicenter then 500 yards away then 1000 yards away etc
    😂 Sounds like a 2nd pig holocaust
  • Countries like China and India kept testing after 1992 even after agreeing to a test ban
    😂 Evil China, good we have good US saving the world.
  • We denoated a nuke above 5 Air Force officers during operation plumbomb.
    😂 Really?
  • Please by all means tell these people in New Mexico and Japan that nuclear weapons are fake .
    😂 I wen't to Hiroshima and the "radiation levels", if that is any relevant at all, are as low as in any other city in Japan, it's modern normal city.
Zooming out, I just can't grasp why like some of you take all the effort to support the "nuclear bomb" faith. It's incomprehensible to me you don't see the absolute weirdness of all these narratives you are told and defending here.

Maybe it's too painful to consider the idea the state might lie to you, while I think I present a perfectly logical case.

Deep down I say trust your won observations, your own eyes, go to Nova Zembla, go to Hiroshima, go to Nagasaki, go to New Mexico, go to Chernobyl and you'll see with your own eyes that nothing is wrong there. I've done it myself and went to several of these locations and came to this conclusion.

I don't think man has anything of such "godly" power.

This bomb just lives in your imagination, it's a "fata morgana".

Something that only is real on your little screens and in your minds.

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P.s. if you decide to stick with your nuclear bomb faith, which I think you probably will, I would say get your fears up now 😱 because the US wants a bomb that's 24 times more powerful than the bomb on Hiroshima! Oh no!
 
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There is legitimate proof nuclear power plants are real. There is no one here who has seen non-government footage of nuclear bombs and no proof they do what they say they do. Again if nuclear bombs did what they say they do noone would live in Japan today. Especially in the Nagasaki and Hiroshima area of "detonation".

How could there be private footage of nukes? It's in the nature of the thing really. Doesn't disprove anything. But as with the moon-landings etc, faking it at the time would be more difficult than actually doing it!

I really think that it's as strong evidence as you could get (not getting into a science debate here as that leads nowhere) that there's been no open war between major nations states since the Japan events. Nothing but nukes could have stopped a war between the US and the FSU post what we now know as WWII.

You might believe that nuclear power is real, but if we can do that, than why can't we make nuclear bombs? They're both huge technical challenges after all. Not sure Paternos believes nuclear power is real though? :sneaky:
 
@Johnnyvee dude what? If you say there is no private footage because it's in the "nature of the thing really." Then there should be zero footage they work since it's the "nature of the thing really."

I believe nuclear power is real because i have first hand accounts in my life that can be backed up. All the men since my wife's grandfather has worked for the same plant in SE USA that builds the pressure tanks for these reactors.
 
For me very telling was than in Covid, almost no country in the world resisted.

Only counties that nobody cares about like "Burundi" were allowed to not paticipate.
There was also Belarus and Sweden, two very interesting cases. In Belarus, I figure the ruling regime already had a sufficient stranglehold on the population and didn't need COVID to push for further control, having already achieved what western governments were aiming for through COVID restrictions. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Sweden. The Swedes seem to be the only people in the world who are such born good little compliant followers that no one needed to force them to go along with any COVID regulations. In my area in the US toward the end of the COVID silliness, most shops had a "Masks strongly suggested" sign. For the vast majority of Americans, this translated to "F*** masks, they're stupid." Swedes would probably still obediently wear masks because of the "strong suggestion."

I agree that the fact that "based" Russia and China went all in on COVID and apparently did so to even greater extremes than the West is enough to make you question any narrative. That said, I still think nukes are real. For one thing, I think the narrative is that the Enola Gay and (if I remember right) two escorting planes carried out the attack on Hiroshima. I know that the firebombings of cities like Tokyo were supposedly far worse than the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the firebombings were carried out with something like hundreds of planes, and I've never heard any of the Hiroshima survivors claims there were anywhere near that many enemy aircraft in the air that day.

Still, who knows. I wasn't there, can't say for sure.
 
Saying fallout isn't real is like saying history isn't real. Like saying how can you believe WWII happened? Were you in any of the battles?

It's one thing to believe the mainstream narrative is being spun, and that some of the revisionist history is more credible, but to deny the population of the southwest US witnessed the skies lighting up, followed by mushroom clouds, and knew people who were among the 1000s that worked at the test sites, for the whole 1950s and beyond?

That's denial against all evidence.
 
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@Johnnyvee dude what? If you say there is no private footage because it's in the "nature of the thing really." Then there should be zero footage they work since it's the "nature of the thing really."

I believe nuclear power is real because i have first hand accounts in my life that can be backed up. All the men since my wife's grandfather has worked for the same plant in SE USA that builds the pressure tanks for these reactors.

I didn't really understand that; "zero footage they work?"

How could there be private footage of something that happened in the 60's in remote, military-controlled areas for example? Of nukes or the moon landings for that matter. It's not an argument. You might as well say that Napoleon didn't exist because he didn't have an instagram account. But with the technology at the time, it would be more difficult to fake those Government films than to invent the bomb and go to the moon.

There was always war between races and nations. The idea that you could get that level of cooperation and coordination between rival states with different agenda's and have it last for decades is beyond absurd. Human nature didn't just miraculously change around 1945-46.
 
Saying fallout isn't real is like saying history isn't real. Like saying how can you believe WWII happened? Were you in any of the battles?

It's one thing to believe the mainstream narrative is being spun, and that some of the revisionist history is more credible, but to deny the population of the southwest US witnessed the skies lighting up, followed by mushroom clouds, and knew people who were among the 1000s that worked at the test sites, for the whole 1950s and beyond?

Thats denial against all evidence.
All faked, just like the thousands of people who worked on the moon landing were lied to the whole time.

Don't get me wrong, I find that highly unlikely too, but in all of these alternate theories all the supposed evidence we have was faked to cover up the truth.
 
@Johnnyvee dude what? If you say there is no private footage because it's in the "nature of the thing really." Then there should be zero footage they work since it's the "nature of the thing really."

I believe nuclear power is real because i have first hand accounts in my life that can be backed up. All the men since my wife's grandfather has worked for the same plant in SE USA that builds the pressure tanks for these reactors.
I've never seen a nuclear power plant except in photos. If I started to claim nuclear power wasn't real based on that would you accept that? What if I thought all your relatives were in on some big government scam to fool the general public into thinking we had all this great technology when we don't in the same way all those people who supposedly designed and built and currently maintain satellites must all be in on the scam as well?

I noticed the common theme of the arguments in favor of these sort of positions now seem to have degraded to "I haven't experienced X personally so therefore X must be fake". I don't think the people making these arguments are realizing how sort of absurd conclusions is going to result from this line of thinking.
 
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I've never seen a nuclear power plant except in photos. If I started to claim nuclear power wasn't real based on that would you accept that? What if I thought all your relatives were in on some big government scam to fool the general public into thinking we had all this great technology when we don't in the same way all those people who supposedly designed and built and currently maintain satellites must all be in on the scam as well?

I noticed the common theme of the arguments in favor of these sort of positions now seem to have degraded to "I haven't experienced X personally so therefore X must be fake". I don't think the people making these arguments are realizing how sort of absurd conclusions is going to result from this line of thinking.
But you're doing the exact same thing?

From a bomb standpoint there is not enough proof for me to say I believe in nuclear bombs.

I have said nothing absurd sir. I just want facts and I know my government or any other never gives the 100% facts so why believe it's true.
 
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I noticed the common theme of the arguments in favor of these sort of positions now seem to have degraded to "I haven't experienced X personally so therefore X must be fake". I don't think the people making these arguments are realizing how sort of absurd conclusions is going to result from this line of thinking.
Is it really?

Would personal experience and logic lead to extreme outcomes?

E.g. the example you give; nuclear power plants you can visit, most of them have open days, or you can plan a visit via their website, you can see them in the landscape, France gets 80% of their energy from them, has 56 of them and indeed has very few other types of power plants.

Personal experience and logic leads to the fact that I accept the working of nuclear power plants. (maybe they are all show but that seems very unlikely to me)

Personal experience and logic leads me to think there are no bombs. I don't believe 1 gram of Uranium can explode as 17000kg of TNT because somebody made a calculation on the energy stored in uranium/plutonium. If it has the energy it only releases slowly in a controlled setting (a nuclear power plan over a large period).

Coal also can't explode. Try it at home. Doesn't work. While it has a high energy density.

I'm severely skeptical to government narratives which I can't observe and aren't logical. E.g. when I see that Hiroshima is a perfectly functioning city today, just as the nature in Chernobyl is all fine, and learning that 300m from the blown off lid in Chernobyl another reactor functioned for 10 more years without a problem. That's weird to say the least. Also Hiroshima was a booming town again. Below 1945, 1946, 1948, 1953. Just as in Rotterdam or any other bombed town.

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I think we are quite able to distinct propaganda from reality by observation and logic.

And if we can not spot anything in our current observable reality connected to logic, then it means it is based on trust in another man. And if that man has all sorts of weird stories on testing above pigs, a technology that no-one can reproduce, about underground test facilities, and surreal questionable "photo" and "video" material and bigger than life stories.

Then any normal thinking man, would say: "I don't trust that guy", he has this weird stories and he can't show a thing. Show me first and I might change me mind.

Faith.

Or better, naivety.

I noticed the common theme of the arguments in favor of these sort of positions now seem to have degraded to "I haven't experienced X personally so therefore X must be fake". I don't think the people making these arguments are realizing how sort of absurd conclusions is going to result from this line of thinking.

Just repeating your words:

Unverifiable state narrative > Personal experience & Logic is good
(Personal experience & Logic > Unverifiable state narrative) = absurd conclusion

That's weird... very weird

For the largest power plants, there is a little version. We can reproduce the big version of a coal plants or a hydroplant in a small version. All in sight.

Unverifiable state narrative > Personal experience & Logic
Because of this reason so many are deceived nowadays.

2 +2 = 5 isn't it brother?

Well if the state says so, it must be right...

❤️ Big brother loves you. ❤️
 
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