Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Things are looking pretty grim, Trump is going full neocon, dissed Tulsi and Tucker.

Based on Vance's tweet below, things are not looking good if Trump chose to "take further action to end Iranian enrichment".


Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:

First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways--the easy way or the "other" way.

Second, I've seen a lot of confusion over the issue of "civilian nuclear power" and "uranium enrichment." These are distinct issues. Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they've enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They've been found in violation of their non-proliferation obligations by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is hardly a rightwing organization.

It's one thing to want civilian nuclear energy. It's another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capacity. And it's still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non-proliferation obligations and enriching right to the point of weapons-grade uranium.

I have yet to see a single good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I've yet to see a single good argument for why Iran was justified in violating its non-proliferation obligations. I've yet to see a single good pushback against the IAEA's findings.

Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military's focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.

He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.

But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus.

 
They keep hitting northern Israel very hard and hitting it again right now. I still think it is to help open up a front for Hezbollah, if this escalates.

This would allow the Iranian proxies to attack Israel at fee and leave Iran and whomever else to focus on the NATO barrage.
 
Iran is hanging on, but will probably not manage to sustain the fight for much longer if they don't receive aid from Russia or China.

And certainly not if the US gets involved.

The passivity and complicity of the Arabs and the Turks is utterly shameful. Surely they must understand that they are next in line for the Israeli war of expansion and total subjugation.
 
Wasn't this all predicted, that Israel would need the US to destroy Iran no later than Trump's presidency because of how fast we are declining? Isn't that why he got to be president, because how could Israel imagine Harris taking Iran out for them?
Let’s see how this pans out. I do think Israel needs to get America back to 2014, the year before everything went woke because woke doesn’t work to make a powerful ally. I think that’s why they allowed Trump and why we’re seeing this vibe shift. They need white boy summer to right the ship.

However, we can’t have another Iraq. For one, this would be Super Iraq. Unlike the 00s, 20s America is broke, demoralized, its citizens suck. We’re struggling with internal issues hilariously bought on by the same people screaming for white boy summer. Also, we spent a lot of our military stock piles in Ukraine. If the US gets involved, it’s over for the US. We’ll have to print war money. This will lead to inflation and a cratering of living standards. You will see anti-semitism like never before if every day Americans have to take a double dip haircut to their lifestyles.
 
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Iran is hanging on, but will probably not manage to sustain the fight for much longer if they don't receive aid from Russia or China.

And certainly not if the US gets involved.

The passivity and complicity of the Arabs and the Turks is utterly shameful. Surely they must understand that they are next in line for the Israeli war of expansion and total subjugation.
If Iran doesn't get backing, then it really depends on the Iranian people. Likely the USA will go after all the IRCG leadership and take out most or all of it. Then it will be up to the Iranian people. Do they then surrender and have a western Godless style govt or do they rally behind their culture and tradition and make it hell on earth for the USA? I don't know what they will do, but if they decide to make it tough on the USA, they have a real chance to get us to buckle and back down after a year or two of losing men, equipment and our economy in the gutter.
 

Exiled crown prince of Iran Reza Pahlavi says the Islamic Republic has "come to an end," says what has begun is irreversible.

Pahlavi ripped Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei for hiding like a "scared mouse."

"The Islamic Republic has come to an end and is falling. What has begun is irreversible. The future is bright and together we will navigate this sharp turn in history. Now is the time to stand; it is time to take back Iran. May I be with you soon."
 
Do they then surrender and have a western Godless style govt or do they rally behind their culture and tradition and make it hell on earth for the USA?
It boils down to how interested in a godless western government is the average Iranian? On one hand, “freedom.” However, this means destroyed male female relationships, slop media, slop food, everything will get so expensive as foreign capital pours in… choose carefully
 
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It boils down to how interested in a godless western government is the average Iranian? On one hand, “freedom.” However, this means destroyed male female relationships, slop media, slop food, everything will get so expensive as foreign capital pours in… choose carefully
If they are wise and aware of how bad things are in the west, they will fight. I just don't know. Obvious their outcasts and women will want the western style govt., but what will the average Iranian man want. I don't know, easy to say not facing potential death v. just a surrender and worry about it later.
 
Obvious their outcasts and women will want the western style govt.,
I wish i saved clips. I saw this clip from the months leading up to the revolution against the Shah where some woman was saying “everything’s always west west west west west. They do this in the west. They do that in the west. What about us, what about our culture?” The idea of women wanting a western style government is a double edged sword. Look at the US how many ladies are suffering under the current way of life. Under Iran if they’re smart enough they get free education and are allowed to have careers. If they switch regimes, they might find themselves in a situation where only the elite women will get that and everything will be stupid expensive. That’s how it is here in America.
 
I wish i saved clips. I saw this clip from the months leading up to the revolution against the Shah where some woman was saying “everything’s always west west west west west. They do this in the west. They do that in the west. What about us, what about our culture?” The idea of women wanting a western style government is a double edged sword. Look at the US how many ladies are suffering under the current way of life. Under Iran if they’re smart enough they get free education and are allowed to have careers. If they switch regimes, they might find themselves in a situation where only the elite women will get that and everything will be stupid expensive. That’s how it is here in America.
Yes, hopefully their women are smart enough to see through it. I saw somewhere that a majority of women were against the 19th amendment, because they knew it would open a pandora box of issues. Now most women in the west are mentally ill from being over worked, over stress, and not following their biological desires. Hopefully many in Iran are aware of this and are willing to stop this satanic way of living to invade their homeland.
 
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