Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

I've been following this thread for news about the conflict and appreciate all the input from forum members. Something I find myself wondering is this conflict setting the stage for the antichrist to step out of the shadows and make peace like the book of revelation speaks of? Obviously nobody is going to know for sure but nothing has been the same since 2020, I think we can all agree on that. If this is off topic mods I understand if you want to move

It still seems too early. There's still a very large segment of people who are totally unaware of Iran. They couldn't care less because it's just "some other middle east thing". It doesn't affect their daily lives. It's only people similar to us focusing on it that are fretting about it. It needs to be at the level of covid, where everyone is personally very affected. Take a shot or you aren't allowed in Church / not allowed to eat level. I don't see that happening even with a nuclear weapon etc.
 
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Trump claims that Iran's military is 100 % destroyed, but still wants help from the rest of the world to finish the war Israel started.
Somebody should tell the dufus China is already getting oil. They didnt have to waste billions in another monkey war.

To be fair with the dufus he did push back against the foreign corrupt practices act. Of course democrats want to increase the 10 year prossecution. As if when dealing with thirdworld countries the governments will chose the best companies when they award projects. King Jafar will certainly chose the best for his country. And for sure Chinese companies will not bribe and gain the contract. No doubt whatsoever. Obama didnt send a plane full of cash.





As for the strait it is f irrelevant for west. And why are europeans and americans paying for oil prices which are meant to asians? How hard would it be to create a different instrument to price oil for US and EU. Nuke f Ormuz dufus. I would bury the strait with nukes. And rename it the FAFO strait.

Where the oil going through Hormuz actually goes​


Approximate destination shares:

  • Asia: ~84–89%
  • Europe: ~3–4%
  • United States: ~2–3%
  • Other regions: ~4–5%
 
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Iran still lets shipping bound to Asia through. So why is the Clown in Chief fretting about keeping the Straits open? Oil prices.
China is not paying higher prices for Iranian oil—in fact, it continues to buy Iranian crude at a discount ($10–$20 below market rates).
They also sit on a 4-month oil stockpile, bought with pre-war prices and and diversified supply via pipelines from Russia and Central Asia.

So, Iran is getting rich as we speak, while the USA has an annual trade deficit of 2 million barrells.

Russia is also a beneficiary of increased oil prices (up to $150 million in additional daily revenue from oil sales, mainly to India and China, suggesting a $6–7 billion windfall since the conflict began.)

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Funny if you imagine the US's range.

Look, I want the fall of globohomo/satanic synagogue as well but I really doubt it's happening from this. This is a playground for the elite. (And if the center of gravity moves to China or Russia it's because the elites want that).

And do we really want the fall of globohomo? Do we realize if globohomo falls it means no internet, no airplanes, nothing. Modernity is really gone. This endeavor of building babel we've been doing for centuries now disintegrates. We are all bargaining with the devil here unless you are maybe amish, or monk on a mountain top, or some third world bedouin. Sorry to say that. I know that's no fun. Maybe we can hope for a speed bump.

And if something really bad happens with this Iran thing I'll first suspect some dumb false flag.
 
Funny if you imagine the US's range.

Look, I want the fall of globohomo/satanic synagogue as well but I really doubt it's happening from this. This is a playground for the elite. (And if the center of gravity moves to China or Russia it's because the elites want that).

And do we really want the fall of globohomo? Do we realize if globohomo falls it means no internet, no airplanes, nothing. Modernity is really gone. This endeavor of building babel we've been doing for centuries now disintegrates. We are all bargaining with the devil here unless you are maybe amish, or monk on a mountain top, or some third world bedouin. Sorry to say that. I know that's no fun. Maybe we can hope for a speed bump.

And if something really bad happens with this Iran thing I'll first suspect some dumb false flag.
My point was that the threat to Ukraine is not empty to add to Cad’s post.

I have no idea what will come out of this but if the fall of globohomo happens then it can be traced to its own doing. Iran had been patient and clearly been holding back all these years and after numerous pokes now the hornets nest is buzzing. Their objective goal is clearly regional though so if globalhomo falls it wont be from Iran.
 
Iran sends an ultimatum to the UAE for allowing American stage attacks from there and urges the Muslim people to stay away from ports, docking areas, and locations where US Military Personnels are present.

"Due to the devastation to its military bases in the region, the invading US army has fired its missiles at the Iranian island of Bu Musa from the cover of ports, docks, and hideouts in cities of the UAE.

We announce to the leaders of the UAE that the Islamic Republic of Iran considers it its legitimate right, in defense of its national sovereignty and territory, to strike and target the launch points of enemy American missiles in shipping ports, docks, and the hideouts of US forces sheltered in some UAE cities.

We ask the Muslim people of the UAE and population centers to evacuate the ports, docks, and American hideouts in UAE cities so that they will not be harmed."



Iran has identified the attacks on their island is sourced from Kuwait and UAE publicly per their FM.

 
Scott Ritter tweets about the Marines heading to the Middle East

The 31st MEU [Marine Expeditionary Unit] is heading toward the Persian Gulf.

There’s a lot of talk about the Marines taking Kharg Island.

But the truth is the USS Tripoli, an America-class amphibious assault ship that carries the embarked 31st MEU, can’t get anywhere near the island—the Strait of Hormuz is closed.

To even try and enter the Persian Gulf is the kind of suicidal venture former Marine Commandant, General David Berger, warned about in his 2019 Commandants Planning Guidance, where he noted that “our Nation’s ability to project power and influence beyond its shores is increasingly challenged by long-range precision fires; expanding air, surface, and sub-surface threats; and the continued degradation of our amphibious and auxiliary ship readiness. The ability to project and maneuver from strategic distances will likely be detected and contested from the point of embarkation during a major contingency…it would be illogical to continue to concentrate our forces on a few large ships. The adversary will quickly recognize that striking while concentrated (aboard ship) is the preferred option.”

And yet here we are, seven years later, a prisoner of legacy doctrine and systems.

If Marines are to attempt to take Kharg Island, it will have to be an assault launched from ashore, not from the sea. Marines and their Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft will need to deploy to Kuwait or Bahrain, both of which are currently under attack from Iranian missiles and drones, and from their attempt an air assault.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because in May 1975, US Marines carried out a similar vertical envelopment on Koh Tang island in the Gulf of Thailand. Conceived as a rescue mission to free US merchant marine sailors taken prisoner by the Khmer Rouge, the Marines instead found no prisoners, but lots of dug in Khmer Rouge fighters who ended up shooting down three of the eleven helicopters used in the initial landing, and heavily damaging five others. In the end, 38 Marines and US Air Force personnel were killed, and another 50 killed before the Marines had to be extracted under heavy fire. In the confusion of the final evacuation, three Marines were left on the island, and were subsequently captured and executed by the Khmer Rouge.

Any attempt to land Marines on Kharg Island will end in a disaster that would make Koh Tang island look like child’s play.

General David Berger knew this.

I wonder what the current Commandant,
General Eric Smith, has to say about this?

Back in 1990 the Marine Corps Commandant, General Al Gray, formed an ad hoc planning cell to challenge the plans being put together by General Norman Schwarzkopf to liberate Kuwait.

Does General Smith (@CMC_MarineCorps) possess the kind of intelligence and courage that General Gray had in standing up to bad ideas, or will he stand by silently as history repeats itself in the Persian Gulf, where the 31st MEU may find itself in a repeat of the Koh Tang debacle so Donald Trump can falsely declare victory over Iran.

 
Ritter misses the point. The strait is not closed it is a contested battle space as far as warships go. The point of the Marine Corps is to make amphibious landings. For every threat the Iranians pose there is a U.S. ability to neutralize it. War is an imperfect, fluid, and messy art. It is the most complex endeavor men undertake, and opposed amphibious landings are the height of that complexity. If Marines land on Kharg it will be an imperfect attack with mistakes and casualties. That is the nature of war. And those mistakes and casualties will not mean the U.S. is losing. There is an almost hysterical, emotional theme running through this thread that comes from pushing 3rd world/Iranian propaganda. An expectation that anything less than American perfection is defeat. Not understanding that war is a back and forth contest where both sides get a vote. Laundry fire on the Ford, the KC-135 collision, Iranian attacks on the Lincoln battlegroup, MQ9s shot down, sinking the Dena. The quality of discourse is becoming worse everyday in this thread. It’s as if we’re all taking Baghdad Bob seriously in 2003. And yes we should take Trump, Hegseth, and the DoW with the same grain of salt. Because the truth is somewhere in the middle.

EDIT: Was simmering on the idea of air assaults. Been familiar with the opposition to FD2030 in the Marine Corps. And I agree, making the Marine Corps 100% airmobile and disposing of heavy assets like armor is/was a mistake. Air mobility on that scale is in the 101st and 82nd’s wheelhouse. However, the idea that vertical envelopment is a ticket to defeat for the attacker is false. Battle of Ia Drang, Operation Cactus Lilly, Fireforce tactics in the Bush Wars, and the Air Assault Corps left hook during Desert Storm.
 
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It still seems too early. There's still a very large segment of people who are totally unaware of Iran. They couldn't care less because it's just "some other middle east thing". It doesn't affect their daily lives. It's only people similar to us focusing on it that are fretting about it. It needs to be at the level of covid, where everyone is personally very affected. Take a shot or you aren't allowed in Church / not allowed to eat level. I don't see that happening even with a nuclear weapon etc.
Maybe. We'll know for certain once the people are given the microphone again later this year. I suspect that all the dems will have to do is run on a vaguely anti-war theme and they'll wipe the floor with the GOP.

Not a good scenario to be sure. Since the dems are also bought and paid for just as the GOP is and Trump will whine and scapegoat them for the next 2 years for his lame duck presidency (even though he's currently handing it to them on a silver platter with his stupid decisions).
 
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