Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

[Ember]

Ancient not saying theres no chance of assassination but America is the country where most civilians walk around armed so the probability for assasination is much higher in USA and the political hate for each other is very high. Many US presidents have been assasinated or shot.

No. It is not the case that most civilians walk around armed in the United States. Especially in Washington which has stringent gun laws.

The fact is that the Iranian leadership is far more free to walk their own streets without fear of their own people, than the US administration would ever be.

 

[Wutang]

This was their MO during the Iran/Iraq war as well, Iran just sent endless waves and waves of men to be cut down.

A few weeks ago I was actually going to post something in this thread about how people should study up on the Iran vs Iraq war if they wanted to get an impression of what the Iranian military is capable of or more accurately, what they aren't capable of. There been people claiming Iranians are a nation of 90 million warriors and would be capable of winning on the military front if and when the US and Israel attacked again and I thought studying that war would disabuse people of that notion.

 

[Cooper]

Ok then there was nothing that could be done to prevent that they didnt know it was day one, I think the news of this event came in days later so it felt like it was days after the war started, if its day 1 then yeah very very unfortunate

Perhaps as well, that people in Iran didn't expect the US to drop several cruise missile strikes on their schools, let alone double tap them.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The only thing prohibiting transit in the Strait right now is Iran shooting shipping. It's open for transit should Iran not do that.

Gen. Caine with the ELI5 in case you were confused by Hegseth for some odd reason.

Gen. Caine calls the Strait of Hormuz a “tactically complex environment."

Says that “before we want to take anything through there at scale, we want to make sure that we do the work pursuant to our current military objectives.”

Full context of Hegseth's comment.


The comments are gold.

 

[Cooper]

A few weeks ago I was actually going to post something in this thread about how people should study up on the Iran vs Iraq war if they wanted to get an impression of what the Iranian military is capable of or more accurately, what they aren't capable of. There been people claiming Iranians are a nation of 90 million warriors and would be capable of winning on the military front if and when the US and Israel attacked again and I thought studying that war would disabuse people of that notion.

The Iranians did study the Iran-Iraq war, they are waging an asymetric war against a stronger enemy with tactics that are a combination of the Viet Cong's and the Ukraine war.

 

[FrancisK]

A few weeks ago I was actually going to post something in this thread about how people should study up on the Iran vs Iraq war if they wanted to get an impression of what the Iranian military is capable of or more accurately, what they aren't capable of. There been people claiming Iranians are a nation of 90 million warriors and would be capable of winning on the military front if and when the US and Israel attacked again and I thought studying that war would disabuse people of that notion.

That would require someone to shed their bias, good luck with that around here.

Taking orders from fanatics who follow a false prophet doesn't make you a "warrior".

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Patricia Marins tweeted

US Prepares 5,000 Marines for War

Pete Hegseth has approved a request from U.S. Central Command for an element of an amphibious ready group and an attached Marine expeditionary unit, typically consisting of several warships and 5,000 Marines, according to The Wall Street Journal.

With this move, his objective appears to be an operation to seize Kharg Island. There is little else he could realistically do with these forces.

It would be an extremely bold operation to attempt to capture an island located just 25 km off the Iranian coast. The bigger question is: how would they hold that position?

Another possibility is that the force is intended to secure enriched uranium in a far more complex operation that would not require amphibious ships.



[Other outlets are reporting 2,500. - RLOS]

 

[Ember]

Whatever Washington plans to do with these Marines, I predict a debacle, gnashing of teeth, and further escalation.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

LOL, imagine if Iran reversed this offer and put Lyndsay Graham or Jared Kushner on their list.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I think Mike is correct.

 

[Pravoslavac]

Those 5k marines will get annihilated. Bay of Pigs comes to mind.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

You can tell this isn't going well, his demeanor says it all.

 

[Wutang]

More confirmation of the US marines deployment

 

[Ember]

You can tell this isn't going well, his demeanor says it all.

Exactly, Trump was gas-lit into this war by the group of radicals surrounding him. Soon he will start blaming Netanyahu. But at no point will he ever take any responsibility himself.

 

[GoodShepherd]

No. It is not the case that most civilians walk around armed in the United States. Especially in Washington which has stringent gun laws.

The fact is that the Iranian leadership is far more free to walk their own streets without fear of their own people, than the US administration would ever be.

More than any other country

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

More confirmation of the US marines deployment

Maybe these Marines are wanted to reinforce the bases being bombed?

 

[GoodShepherd]

Perhaps as well, that people in Iran didn't expect the US to drop several cruise missile strikes on their schools, let alone double tap them.

If it was intentional, I dont yet know what to make of it and Im not just gonna assume it was on purpose, the school was on the border of a military compound it could have possibly been a mistake I dont know, what exactly would the US gain by doing that? Its very damaging for the US to do that, they went into Iran with the idea that protesters were being killed and they had support from n
other nations who were hoping that the people of Iran were gonna be liberated, its very bad advertising for US if this was intentional

 

[Caduceus]

Soon he will start blaming Netanyahu.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

If it was intentional, I dont yet know what to make of it and Im not just gonna assume it was on purpose, the school was on the border of a military compound it could have possibly been a mistake I dont know, what exactly would the US gain by doing that? Its very damaging for the US to do that, they went into Iran with the idea that protesters were being killed and they had support from n
other nations who were hoping that the people of Iran were gonna be liberated, its very bad advertising for US if this was intentional

Things like this have been going on steadily for at least 85 years since WW2, but there is not general awareness of them and they are also considered fog of war and/or unavoidable civilian casualties.

About 10 years ago, the US Army knowingly ravaged a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan for half a day, killing 40 I think, and then they came back twice with tanks during the "investigation" in the days that followed and knocked it down some more.

I remember reading about it at the time. Not sure what exactly they're saying now, but here's the wiki on it.

Kunduz hospital airstrike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org