Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

GoodShepherd said:
The anti government Iranians might be in other regions? Or just silent? What are you guys thoughts on bringing woman (possibly children in the crowd) to a protest while the country is a war and bombs dropping nearby?

White western woman will do those anti ICE protests but it seems like bring woman and children to a war zone is an Islamic thing? Lots of woman voices heard in this video
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It's public relations and they want to have a maximum showing of support for their leaders and lack of fear for their enemies. No Western country has been under attack since WW2, so there's no comparison.

Did the Serbs do something like this in 1999? I doubt it because the danger would have been too high.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It was originally yours and IIMT's comparison of things that had already happened, not future projections. If you had assumed or implied that the comparison of damage was parallel to a timeline, that would explain the discrepancy, but even such a timeline is not comparable in the current situation because the baseline assumption is that the USA did not intend to enter into a multi-year war with Iran.
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It would take a multiyear campaign to clear and secure commercial traffic through the Hormuz Strait and in the Persian Gulf. See the Houthis and the Red Sea...
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Reposting this as it's applicable to your point.



By the time Iran starts having significant impact the US will target dual purpose infrastructure and facilities inside Iran (which we have not done significantly) that will ruin the country.

All oil refineries, all electrical infrastructure, all water plants.

That's how this will escalate and the Iranian people will suffer.
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This was their MO during the Iran/Iraq war as well, Iran just sent endless waves and waves of men to be cut down.
 
Cooper said:
It would take a multiyear campaign to clear and secure commercial traffic through the Hormuz Strait and in the Persian Gulf. See the Houthis and the Red Sea...
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Apparently you and a million redditors are bright enough to have known this, while the big boy brains in the White House were not.

Seeing how Witkoff does not seem to understand the difference between nuclear weapons and nuclear energy, and was not even bright enough to bring along an expert advisor, I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
 
expectation said:
A lady was killed by a bomb nearby. Also, didn't you comment on the double tap tomahawk on a all-girl school earlier?

I don't think you realize thats a regular occurrence in Gaza..Civilians are fair game to these monsters and I expect these types of bombings to continue while they whisper you excuses.

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Why was a girls school still open near a military building, a potential military target during the start of a war?

Why are civilians walking around where bombs are being dropped?

We dont have this culture in the west we keep our woman and children out of harms way, I hate to judge but It almost gives me the impression that they want civilians to get hurt, I dont know about you but I wouldnt have sent my kids to school if my country was having a national emergency and being bombed, I would have gone out but wouldn't send my wife and kids out.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It was originally yours and IIMT's comparison of things that had already happened, not future projections. If you had assumed or implied that the comparison of damage was parallel to a timeline, that would explain the discrepancy, but even such a timeline is not comparable in the current situation because the baseline assumption is that the USA did not intend to enter into a multi-year war with Iran.
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No one with any reasonable thought would compare a 13 day missile exchange with a multi-decade war. This is a strawman, and these attacks need to be taken to another thread.
 
GoodShepherd said:
Why was a girls school still open near a military building, a potential military target during the start of a war?

Why are civilians walking around where bombs are being dropped?

We dont have this culture in the west we keep our woman and children out of harms way, I hate to judge but It almost gives me the impression that they want civilians to get hurt, I dont know about you but I wouldnt have sent my kids to school if my country was having a national emergency and being bombed, I would have gone out but wouldn't send my wife and kids out.
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The girls school was double-tapped on the first day of the war.

Did the USA declare war? Did they notify the Iranians that bombs would be dropping so that school evacuations could be done? Or did the USA and Israel just begin dropping bombs in a densely populated city of 9 million people without warning?
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It's public relations and they want to have a maximum showing of support for their leaders and lack of fear for their enemies. No Western country has been under attack since WW2, so there's no comparison.

Did the Serbs do something like this in 1999? I doubt it because the danger would have been too high.
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Lack of fear or are they shielding themselves with civilians? Its a safety threat to those civilians to openly be walking amongst them openly knowing that you are a mimitary target in my opinion
 
Ember said:
The entire Iranian leadership is strolling around at these marches, shaking hands with the public, with little in the way of visible security. It would be quite possible for all these anti-government protestors to take a crack at them. They are obviously not too concerned about it.


I would like to see any Western leadership do the same.
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The civilians around them and the cameras filming are their protection.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
The girls school was double-tapped on the first day of the war.

Did the USA declare war? Did they notify the Iranians that bombs would be dropping so that school evacuations could be done? Or did the USA and Israel just begin dropping bombs in a densely populated city of 9 million people without warning?
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To my knowledge it wasnt on the first day it was a few days into the attacks, if it was on day 1 then I fully understand and theres nothing that could have been done, can someone verify if it was on day 1?
 
Ember said:
Let's see Donald Trump and his administration perform a similar walk through the streets of Washington with just civilians and cameras protecting them. No Secret Service or police. There is zero chance. And that is not even factoring in the arrival of Iranian missiles.
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Teddy Roosevelt used to do stuff like this and go to war in person and be in the front lines. Western presidents have a high assassination probability they always have, our civilians all own guns and they can be shot in public, Trump was shot almost twice right?
 
Droughtmeat said:
Like I said earlier, how do these troops get protected from drone strikes? Unless they go in there with Ukrainian specialists, I don't see how they survive. This isn't Venezuela
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Patricia Marins tweeted:

I have absolutely no idea how anyone could seize more than 2,000 km of Iranian coastline to secure the strait and capture Kharg Island.

How exactly would that even work if the Iranian navy is still fully operational with hundreds of missile launchers and at least 20 submarines?
Who’s going to confront Iranian drones in the air and at sea?

What kind of force is supposed to establish positions at the foot of the mountains that cover almost the entire Iranian coast? No force would survive there.

I agree that the only way to achieve any objective would be with boots on the ground, but I still don’t see the slightest chance of that happening.

If they actually try it, it will be a massacre, and I believe these lunatics might genuinely be thinking about doing it.

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Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It was on the first day at 10:45 AM Iran time.

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Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It was on the first day at 10:45 AM Iran time.

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2026 Minab school attack - Wikipedia

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Ok then there was nothing that could be done to prevent that they didnt know it was day one, I think the news of this event came in days later so it felt like it was days after the war started, if its day 1 then yeah very very unfortunate
 
GoodShepherd said:
Teddy Roosevelt used to do stuff like this and go to war in person and be in the front lines.
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Ancient history doesn't count.


GoodShepherd said:
Western presidents have a high assassination probability they always have, our civilians all own guns and they can be shot in public, Trump was shot almost twice right?
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Are you making the ridiculous claim that the Iranian leadership does not have a high assassination probability?
 
Ember said:
Ancient history doesn't count.



Are you making the ridiculous claim that the Iranian leadership does not have a high assassination probability?
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Ancient😄 not saying theres no chance of assassination but America is the country where most civilians walk around armed so the probability for assasination is much higher in USA and the political hate for each other is very high. Many US presidents have been assasinated or shot.

Im open to correction if this isnt the case?
 
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