Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE import 80%-90% of their food through the straight that Iran has just closed, Saudi Arabia has one of the strongest military in the world somewhere in the top 5, they are enemies of Iran and allies with USA, what are the chances of these neighboring countries teaming up with USA to fight Iran since Iran is now interfering with their countries supply of food and resources?
What experience does the Saudi military have?

Isn't this a country who outsources all their difficult jobs to foreigners?

They're not known for martial prowess and recently failed against the Houthis.

I'm sure the USA has been telling them since 1990 and Gulf War 1 that we'll do their fighting for them.

Since I'm a Gulf of Oman geopolitical expert this week, I can confidently say that the chances are zero.
 
Saudi Arabia has one of the strongest military in the world somewhere in the top 5, they are enemies of Iran and allies with USA, what are the chances of these neighboring countries teaming up with USA to fight Iran since Iran is now interfering with their countries supply of food and resources?
The longer this war continues, the better the odds of GCC countries jumping in against Iran. While the U.S. and Israel are simply aiming for regime change, Iran views this war as something close to an existential struggle. Their strategy has been to attack the U.S. via its regional proxies, but the more Iran attacks its neighbors (inflicting significant economic harm on them in the process, both to their oil-producing infrastructure and tourism/reputation for safety), the more likely they are to invite retaliation. Further, the weaker Iran becomes (and they certainly will not grow any stronger in absolute terms as the war drags on, although its possible they can grow in relative strength if they handle attrition warfare better than the U.S.), the more attractive a target they become for their neighbors. Like a wounded animal, the vultures will begin circling if they sense an opportunity for an easy meal. And this goes double if Uncle Sam (and Uncle Shlomo?) can provide both military support and economic incentives to any potential allies willing to put boots on the ground in Iran. Greed, ambition, and the settling of scores dating back centuries may ultimately provide enough of a carrot to draw more combatants into this fight.
 
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Countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE import 80%-90% of their food through the straight that Iran has just closed, Saudi Arabia has one of the strongest military in the world somewhere in the top 5, they are enemies of Iran and allies with USA, what are the chances of these neighboring countries teaming up with USA to fight Iran since Iran is now interfering with their countries supply of food and resources?

Both countries have ports outside the Strait of Hormuz.
Saudi Arabia on the Red Sea coast, and the UAE on the Gulf of Oman (click to enlarge).
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The Saudi port of Yanbu and the Emirati port of Fujairah, both have large, modern grain terminals (as well as other vital infrastructure) purpose-built for this exact scenario.
 
Ice Age Farmer:

Everyone's focused on oil — but it's not just oil:- The United Arab Emirates (UAE) imports 80-90% of its food- Saudi Arabia, 80%- Kuwait, 95%With the Strait closed (or even "open" but with rates exploding 650%), the literal lifeline of these nations is cut off. And yes, with UAE/Saudi Arabia/Qatar stopping oil production, we are quickly entering an energy crisis that will have DRASTIC effects on food availability and pricing.Be prepared...

Those countries have zero military. They are useless. What they have is money due to Gas and Oil. And they will put pressure on Trump if things escalate.

Qatar I think had something similar not long ago. There was a blockade made by Trump to shake them for cash. And Saudi Arabia closed the border with Qatar.
What they say arabs from that region can´t accept is a shortage of milk. From all the food missing which could cause a riot. Milk is the one which always needs to be available in supermarket shelves. During that blockade Qataris wanted to buy cows. And take them to Qatar on airplanes. There supposedly they had to put the cows in warehouses with air conditionings for the cows to survive the heat. Might sound unbelievable but it´s true. I actually checked some cows to send there. And learned some things about cows. Anyway they managed to survive the blockade. Qatar has a really nice area called The Pearl. And a shopping mall made out of the finest materials available. A level of luxury not seen in many places.


The heat in GCC is unbearable in the summer. Dubai has the biggest shopping mall cause during summer you cant walk on the streets.

The logic behind who wins this war is flawed. One american life is worth 100 iranians. That´s the real question here. How many casualties can america sustain without caving to the public opinion pressure? When the videos of boxes with flags on top of it start leaking the perspective will change drastically. 1 american death would be too many. BTW 6 US soldiers dead is utter bullshit. CORONA ORANGE CRAP STYLE. Theres much more casualties. How long can the US army sustain casualties for Israel before some revolt start happening within ranks?

Mussolini was dragged in the streets of Rome. Cause he didnt realize Italy was losing WWII and he needed to cut a deal with Allies. Rome started to get bombed. Game over for Benito. It´s inside US that the tension will happen. Both Hegseth and Rubio seem completely dumbfounded on why this war is being fought over. Hegseth seemed to have gained some balance. But they know in their core this is all orange mongo shit. And Rubio/Vance can kiss the presidency ticket goodbye. Cause a mixed bathroom Obama 2.0 will follow Trump presidency. People are tired of wars. And crazy shit.

The other problem is if this escalates to some kind of intervention from Russia or China. China would send NK first. If any of those two get involved. Allies might win. But at what cost?

Anyway a lot of moving pieces. Israel should have fought this war alone. That´s their shit. Not US or EU business. But jews. Helas. Napoleon has good quotes on them.
 
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WSJ ran a story the other day on the ballistic missile 'cities' dug into the mountains, they are static targets which are and have been known to Israeli and American intelligence for a long time and are easy to hit with the heavy long range strategic bombers. Damage assessment is difficult but judging by the sharp decrease in launches it is at least hindering the missile bunkers and possibly destroying them, it's also hard to move the missiles out

The US is using thermal imaging and signature pattern tracking to detect any launch whenever a ballistic missile gets fired it gets picked up immediately and fed into livetime AI driven data assessment capabilities, B52s and B2s later bomb the missile bunker in the following hours/ days and Iran isn't able to contest anything due to the US' total air domination. DC is systematically dismantling Tehran's ballistic deterrent.
 
Both countries have ports outside the Strait of Hormuz.
Saudi Arabia on the Red Sea coast, and the UAE on the Gulf of Oman (click to enlarge).
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The Saudi port of Yanbu and the Emirati port of Fujairah, both have large, modern grain terminals (as well as other vital infrastructure) purpose-built for this exact scenario.

They're not going to run out of food, they can get it through Oman in the south and Turkey/Syria/Iraq from the north. Not a crisis. They will just have to pay more in transport and logistics costs.


The longer this war continues, the better the odds of GCC countries jumping in against Iran. While the U.S. and Israel are simply aiming for regime change, Iran views this war as something close to an existential struggle. Their strategy has been to attack the U.S. via its regional proxies, but the more Iran attacks its neighbors (inflicting significant economic harm on them in the process, both to their oil-producing infrastructure and tourism/reputation for safety), the more likely they are to invite retaliation. Further, the weaker Iran becomes (and they certainly will not grow any stronger in absolute terms as the war drags on, although its possible they can grow in relative strength if they handle attrition warfare better than the U.S.), the more attractive a target they become for their neighbors. Like a wounded animal, the vultures will begin circling if they sense an opportunity for an easy meal. And this goes double if Uncle Sam (and Uncle Shlomo?) can provide both military support and economic incentives to any potential allies willing to put boots on the ground in Iran. Greed, ambition, and the settling of scores dating back centuries may ultimately provide enough of a carrot to draw more combatants into this fight.

The Saudi, UAE, don't have a real army, it's a boutique outfit with fancy high-end jets and hardware that is more for show than anything else, other than decent air forces. Their military budgets are a form of protection money for their main sponsors (US for KSA, and US + UK and France for UAE). Their soldiers are mostly mercenaries, their role is to put down any domestic insurrections, not fight real wars. The reason for this is that the ruling monarchs would get overthrown by warlord generals, this has been the model across the Arab world, also the old school model in Latin America.

Despite their massive military budgets, the Saudis keep losing to the Yemenis, who are a hardened people, a bit like the Afghans.

Iran is basically attacking the GCC for 3 reasons: to neutralize US bases and staging grounds (esp. radars), to put pressure on the GCC to make the war stop by threatening their livelihood (oil and gas, tourism/logistics/finance hubs), and to control traffic through Hormuz in order to restrict oil flow and spike oil price. Trump was not in a great position domestically before the war started and if oil prices spike, inflation will get a lot worse, that's what Iran is going to try to do.
 

This is fake news from a likely foreign controlled social media slopaccount. Reality: the Pentagon is drafting a 50 billion USD bill to bolster US presence in the region and restock ammunition arsenals for the coming years. This bill is designed to cement and expand DC's ability to project power in the region.

Ejecting the US from the Middle East (and Europe+ Indo-Pacific) has been a long standing goal in the grand strategy of a myriad of hostile foreign states - most notably Russia, China and Iran. Ergo why there is a non-stop deluge of thirdy propaganda aimed at working US public opinion, on how the US must retreat, muh money muh Israel, go back America, go back to your own pond let us take over, etc (last part never gets mentioned). The plan is not going so well. Not only is DC persevering, it has in the last 3 years upended the scale, come out on top and is currently defanging it's main regional competitor.

None of this is about Israel, that's simply a proxy. It's about breaking down the US Empire instead. This bottom line is why the Iranians are non stop targeting the forward US bases in a futile attempt to eject DC from the Gulf, and this is why Beijing and Moscow's propaganda sludge takes aim at the US chuddy right, attempting to cultivate this resentful isolationism. Per comparison: in Israeli info-spheres their ops are negligible, wait until the multipolarbros find out Israel is supposed to be a pole and the Changs and Russians are keen on flipping them. As the situation worsens for the Iranians expect the slop to become more in your face and outlandish.
 
Ice Age Farmer:

Everyone's focused on oil — but it's not just oil:- The United Arab Emirates (UAE) imports 80-90% of its food- Saudi Arabia, 80%- Kuwait, 95%With the Strait closed (or even "open" but with rates exploding 650%), the literal lifeline of these nations is cut off. And yes, with UAE/Saudi Arabia/Qatar stopping oil production, we are quickly entering an energy crisis that will have DRASTIC effects on food availability and pricing.Be prepared...

Those countries have zero military. They are useless. What they have is money due to Gas and Oil. And they will put pressure on Trump if things escalate.

Qatar I think had something similar not long ago. There was a blockade made by Trump to shake them for cash. And Saudi Arabia closed the border with Qatar.
What they say arabs from that region can´t accept is a shortage of milk. From all the food missing which could cause a riot. Milk is the one which always needs to be available in supermarket shelves. During that blockade Qataris wanted to buy cows. And take them to Qatar on airplanes. There supposedly they had to put the cows in warehouses with air conditionings for the cows to survive the heat. Might sound unbelievable but it´s true. I actually checked some cows to send there. And learned some things about cows. Anyway they managed to survive the blockade. Qatar has a really nice area called The Pearl. And a shopping mall made out of the finest materials available. A level of luxury not seen in many places.


The heat in GCC is unbearable in the summer. Dubai has the biggest shopping mall cause during summer you cant walk on the streets.

The logic behind who wins this war is flawed. One american life is worth 100 iranians. That´s the real question here. How many casualties can america sustain without caving to the public opinion pressure? When the videos of boxes with flags on top of it start leaking the perspective will change drastically. 1 american death would be too many. BTW 6 US soldiers dead is utter bullshit. CORONA ORANGE CRAP STYLE. Theres much more casualties. How long can the US army sustain casualties for Israel before some revolt start happening within ranks?

Mussolini was dragged in the streets of Rome. Cause he didnt realize Italy was losing WWII and he needed to cut a deal with Allies. Rome started to get bombed. Game over for Benito. It´s inside US that the tension will happen. Both Hegseth and Rubio seem completely dumbfounded on why this war is being fought over. Hegseth seemed to have gained some balance. But they know in their core this is all orange mongo shit. And Rubio/Vance can kiss the presidency ticket goodbye. Cause a mixed bathroom Obama 2.0 will follow Trump presidency. People are tired of wars. And crazy shit.

The other problem is if this escalates to some kind of intervention from Russia or China. China would send NK first. If any of those two get involved. Allies might win. But at what cost?

Anyway a lot of moving pieces. Israel should have fought this war alone. That´s their shit. Not US or EU business. But jews. Helas. Napoleon has good quotes on them.

You're right about the political tensions in the US, to a certain degree, but the milk is a non-issue, they can get powdered milk through Oman and land transport from the north.

I am not sure either about the US domestic political scene, the Dems will comply with Israel. Just like in the UK or France they have a stranglehold over the political system, economy and media.

This being said, if Newsom is elected two years from now, the Israelis won't have the same level of control over the WH. Newsom is a sleazy salesman but he is not into stuff that gets people on the Epstein list, he grew up rich and has normal sexual predilections. 2 years though is an eternity.
 
And by "US interests" you mean "Israeli interests".
Maintaining that NATO is for 'Israeli interests' is testimony that the echochamber is spiraling, buddy can't handle his sponsored worldviews and takes are going head under after some scrutiny, cortisol is spiking and the man just lost the ability to actually make an argument.

Imma bounce that ball back. Explain, in your infinite wisdom, how NATO is a construct that was created for 'Israeli interests'.
 
The Saudi Prince Sultan AB was targeted by Iranian ballistics. This military base is handled by the Saudis after being handed back by the US in 2003, and is located in Central Saudi Arabia. Tehran is pushing Riyaad into a decision it actually doest not want to take.

Expecting this to be labeled a false flag immediately bytheway



 
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None of this is about Israel, that's simply a proxy. It's about breaking down the US Empire instead. This bottom line is why the Iranians are non stop targeting the forward US bases in a futile attempt to eject DC from the Gulf, and this is why Beijing and Moscow's propaganda sludge takes aim at the US chuddy right, attempting to cultivate this resentful isolationism. Per comparison: in Israeli info-spheres their ops are negligible, wait until the multipolarbros find out Israel is supposed to be a pole and the Changs and Russians are keen on flipping them. As the situation worsens for the Iranians expect the slop to become more in your face and outlandish.

This statement in bold above is a complete joke. The idea that Israel isn't getting tens of billions more out of this is something that only a complete outsider would even entertain.

You're clearly not familiar with N. America, probably not even W. Europe. Israeli infospheres are negligible? How about the entire MSM, and 90% of online media, including armies of astroturfed influencers accounts.

Also your opinions are highly contradictory, here above you say that the Russians are trying to eject the US from the middle east, and in your other spiels you claim that Putin is a zionist tool - well which one is it??
 
What experience does the Saudi military have?

Isn't this a country who outsources all their difficult jobs to foreigners?

They're not known for martial prowess and recently failed against the Houthis.

I'm sure the USA has been telling them since 1990 and Gulf War 1 that we'll do their fighting for them.

Since I'm a Gulf of Oman geopolitical expert this week, I can confidently say that the chances are zero.
Sure they might not have experience but they have lots of equipment, they in the top 5 biggest militaries we cant brush that away
 
They're not going to run out of food, they can get it through Oman in the south and Turkey/Syria/Iraq from the north. Not a crisis. They will just have to pay more in transport and logistics costs.

Why would they import cargo through a 3rd country if they have ports outside the Strait of Hormuz?
 
Both countries have ports outside the Strait of Hormuz.
Saudi Arabia on the Red Sea coast, and the UAE on the Gulf of Oman (click to enlarge).
View attachment 27832View attachment 27833
The Saudi port of Yanbu and the Emirati port of Fujairah, both have large, modern grain terminals (as well as other vital infrastructure) purpose-built for this exact scenario.
But seems like there is also trouble on that red sea coast, Yemen has some Shia Muslism on that side which support the Shias in Iran and they apparently want to block anything that might go through to Israel and US allies, I dont know what other countries on that side might do but if this continues for too long I have a feeling their neighbors are gonna start attacking Iran too.
 
This statement in bold above is a complete joke. The idea that Israel isn't getting tens of billions more out of this is something that only a complete outsider would even entertain.

You're clearly not familiar with N. America, probably not even W. Europe. Israeli infospheres are negligible? How about the entire MSM, and 90% of online media, including armies of astroturfed influencers accounts.

Also your opinions are highly contradictory, here above you say that the Russians are trying to eject the US from the middle east, and in your other spiels you claim that Putin is a zionist tool - well which one is it??
Your constant attempted misrepresentation of messaging and posting of both posters and social media takes alike is duly noted, and should be addressed. Glad you didn't bring up previously plugged content that the US is about to donate 50 billion USD to Israel again, expand a bit on your latest attempt to inject ragebait slop into discourse.

Multipolarity as designed by hostile foreigners and is indeed a Jewish construct that goes straight back to the likes of Morgenthau and Kissinger hence why China and Russia were built up as artificial enemies with especially the latter manufactured to eventually become the global hegemon and replace the US. Israel's role in that has been well documented, it's the main backdoor in terms of everything and has been the number one reason as to why the US lead in everything has eroded so fast.

It's a tad disappointing that all the noticers seemingly can't wrap their heads around the miles deep Semitic footprint into both Russia and China, yet have no qualms with pushing the dumbest of the dumbest sloptakes regarding the US. That's how you know it's all fake, and that's how you cultivate a low-brow resentful audience. In addition: if an alt media star of choice cannot articulate how the current regimes in Russia and China are, unlike the US, literally created by Jews and in cahoots with Israel to suck the US dry than they are probably full of shit and on a payroll. This is also why their propaganda efforts in the Israeli info-sphere are so minimal - it's because Israel isn't the target, the US is.

The US, which was meant to fall, isn't going anywhere. Time to internalize that fact, the plan has failed.
 
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But seems like there is also trouble on that red sea coast, Yemen has some Shia Muslism on that side which support the Shias in Iran and they apparently want to block anything that might go through to Israel and US allies, I dont know what other countries on that side might do but if this continues for too long I have a feeling their neighbors are gonna start attacking Iran too.

The Red Sea theater is quiet. Houthis made some threats, but haven't taken any actions, not even against Israel, so far.
 
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