Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

@Get2choppaaa
@Wutang
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@It_Is_My_Time
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It_Is_My_Time said:
Woah, that is a lot.

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Interesting they are all visible because their engines are active. In the old days, ballistic missiles would fall unpowered onto their targets, having been placed on the right ballistic trajectory earlier in their flights.

Now missiles make evasive maneuvers in the final period of descent, and yet make sure to home in on their final targets with single meter precision.

Edit: turns out this video is old, but I still am impressed that the newest missile technology does this.
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
@Get2choppaaa
@Wutang
This is not a IIMT thread.
If You notice that he's posting fake/outdated content, correct him. But keep the personal remarks to Yourself, or take them somewhere else.

@It_Is_My_Time
As well as everyone else.
Be careful what You're posting as there's a lot of fakes being peddled around the internet. Stay away from clickbait accounts and double check Your sources.
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Mea culpa...and duly noted.
 
Khamenai's death was the first objective. With that accomplished, the political landscape of Iran is now in flux. Many things are now possible that were impossible a few hours ago. Until power is solidified in the hands of a new supreme leader, the situation remains dynamic. This is how civil wars often start: rival factions jockeying for power in the wake of the previous leader's death. There will be a lot of movement going on in the shadows. Movement creates opportunities, and opportunities are what the U.S. and Israel are counting on. No doubt Mossad still has a considerable presence inside the country. The ultimate goal is the installation of puppet government who will play nice with Washington and Tel Aviv. It still looks like a tall order, but that outcome is now closer to reality than it was 24 hours ago.
 
FrancisK said:
I did not like this at all when I heard, not only because it benefits israel but because I don't want my country going to war. But that being said I do feel like this was clean, it did get the job done and it is in our favor if it continues on this trajectory.
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While I don't want the USA to lose to Iran, I also do not think Khameni's death benefits the USA because we did it for Israel. This attack is in the same vein as all the Middle East wars for Israel since 1990, which also have not benefited the USA in their obvious costs in blood and treasure, but additionally in our accelerating use of this kind of foreign policy and its prioritization of Israel's and the MIC's needs over domestic needs of all kinds.

I think this is another lose-lose scenario for America.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is an L.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
While I don't want the USA to lose to Iran, I also do not think Khameni's death benefits the USA because we did it for Israel. This attack is in the same vein as all the Middle East wars for Israel since 1990, which also have not benefited the USA in their obvious costs in blood and treasure, but additionally in our accelerating use of this kind of foreign policy and its prioritization of Israel's and the MIC's needs over domestic needs of all kinds.

I think this is another lose-lose scenario for America.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is an L.
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I remember when Iran held US hostages for over 400 days until a hour or so after Reagan was inaugurated. I don't love the Iranian Islamic regime as much as some here do, even if they are opposed to Israel.

I'd say a minority of their population wants to be ruled by an oppressive heathen theocracy, although a substantial minority is in favor of the heathen theocracy.

The Iranian govt hasn't been replaced yet. Perhaps they will yet survive and beat the odds. I won't miss them if they fall.
 
Trump needed something that he show as a "win" to justify the intervention. Hopefully this will suffice.

Also I'm assuming that if Iran was actually holding back and were only exhausting their low-tech stock armaments, they are going to want to unleash whatever secret weapons they have now. If they aren't going to max out now I don't expect them to do it later down the line:

 
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The world is not black and white. There's never one side fighting for good and another for evil. Every country simply tries to operate in its own best interests. This is basic realpolitik. If your analysis starts and ends with, "The Jews are evil, therefore anyone opposing the Jews is good," then you have all the makings of a useful idiot (note that the same verdict would apply if your simple-minded take labeled Iran, China, Russia, or any other country "evil"). If you're making moral judgments when analyzing the conduct of nation-state actors, you're way out of your depth.

Israel and the U.S. both have interests in opposing Iran, but each for different reasons. The Jews want to bring about Greater Israel, while the Americans are more concerned with tightening the noose around China and limiting its access to resources. The U.S. also seeks to preserve the petrodollar system, which as we know is foundational to the power and prosperity of the American Empire. Curtailing Iran also serves to weaken and further isolate Russia, perhaps motivating Putin to wrap up his adventure in Ukraine and begin reestablishing ties to the West. If Russia can be brought into the fold over the coming decade, perhaps lured equally by greed as well as fear, the isolation and containment of China will be complete, and the American hegemon will maintain its global supremacy through the twenty-first century.

No, the world is not black and white. But it is a chessboard. And the pieces are in play.
 
scorpion said:
The world is not black and white. There's never one side fighting for good and another for evil. Every country simply tries to operate in its own best interests. This is basic realpolitik. If your analysis starts and ends with, "The Jews are evil, therefore anyone opposing the Jews is good," then you have all the makings of a useful idiot (note that the same verdict would apply if your simple-minded take labeled Iran, China, Russia, or any other country "evil"). If you're making moral judgments when analyzing the conduct of nation-state actors, you're way out of your depth.

Israel and the U.S. both have interests in opposing Iran, but each for different reasons. The Jews want to bring about Greater Israel, while the Americans are more concerned with tightening the noose around China and limiting its access to resources. The U.S. also seeks to preserve the petrodollar system, which as we know is foundational to the power and prosperity of the American Empire. Curtailing Iran also serves to weaken and further isolate Russia, perhaps motivating Putin to wrap up his adventure in Ukraine and begin reestablishing ties to the West. If Russia can be brought into the fold over the coming decade, perhaps lured equally by greed as well as fear, the isolation and containment of China will be complete, and the American hegemon will maintain its global supremacy through the twenty-first century.

No, the world is not black and white. But it is a chessboard. And the pieces are in play.
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You nailed it here.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are ironically aligned against Iran because of economic (and minor Sunni vs Shia splits) alliances around trade through straight of Hormuz and the proxies in the region.

Saudi Arabia and the US are against Iran because of economic and geopolitical splits.

China stands to lose the most here and THAT is why you see all these actions by the US in both Venezuela and Iran.

It just so happens that the Jewish Greater Israel Project agenda also benefits here.
 
Thomas More said:
I remember when Iran held US hostages for over 400 days until a hour or so after Reagan was inaugurated. I don't love the Iranian Islamic regime as much as some here do, even if they are opposed to Israel.

I'd say a minority of their population wants to be ruled by an oppressive heathen theocracy, although a substantial minority is in favor of the heathen theocracy.

The Iranian govt hasn't been replaced yet. Perhaps they will yet survive and beat the odds. I won't miss them if they fall.
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I have no love lost for Iran either. They never put food on my plate. Still not a fan of that lying degenerate Trump doing everything he said he wouldn't do, but on the other hand, the woke right cheerleaders for Iran have lost the plot. Like a court jester, their position has no more depth than to be the opposite of whatever the status quo is. Now while the status quo is not good, the court jesters themselves seem to enjoy some of it's benefits.
 
scorpion said:
The world is not black and white. There's never one side fighting for good and another for evil. Every country simply tries to operate in its own best interests. This is basic realpolitik. If your analysis starts and ends with, "The Jews are evil, therefore anyone opposing the Jews is good," then you have all the makings of a useful idiot (note that the same verdict would apply if your simple-minded take labeled Iran, China, Russia, or any other country "evil"). If you're making moral judgments when analyzing the conduct of nation-state actors, you're way out of your depth.

Israel and the U.S. both have interests in opposing Iran, but each for different reasons. The Jews want to bring about Greater Israel, while the Americans are more concerned with tightening the noose around China and limiting its access to resources. The U.S. also seeks to preserve the petrodollar system, which as we know is foundational to the power and prosperity of the American Empire. Curtailing Iran also serves to weaken and further isolate Russia, perhaps motivating Putin to wrap up his adventure in Ukraine and begin reestablishing ties to the West. If Russia can be brought into the fold over the coming decade, perhaps lured equally by greed as well as fear, the isolation and containment of China will be complete, and the American hegemon will maintain its global supremacy through the twenty-first century.

No, the world is not black and white. But it is a chessboard. And the pieces are in play.
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A chessboard that's rigged from the start.
 
Get2choppaaa said:


I tend to think this is more about China and resources and less about our relationship with Israel and trade at this point.

Dubai/Jordan/KSA/UAE would probably agree.
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From DC's perspective this is all about China, it's about countering an ascending and increasingly hostile peer competitor in the US' main theater of operation - aka the Indo-Pacific. The current trajectory there is one of Washington's dominance and lead eroding leading to a potential US defeat. And if the US folds in the Indo-Pacific it will be the end of the USD and US Empire.

Despite their many miscalculations and mistakes the Chinese do play the long game and have been semi-competent at it. Beijing's greatest strength is its authoritian One Party State type of rule, its gigantic manufacturing base and it's large populace. It's greatest weaknesses are its geo-strategic location, resource poor status and ambiguously its One Party State type of rule again.

The balance of power in the Indo-Pacific is upending fast. The Changs' manufacturing base is of such an enormous size that their military build up is directly threatening DC's escalatory and military dominance in the Indo-Pacific. Chinese hardware ranges from low- to medium quality yet this is ultimately irrelevant as their production numbers are so gigantic that they can simply out-produce the US in any type of prolonged direct or indirect conventional conflict. Keep in mind that most if not all of China's civilian production sites are dual use as well meaning that in the case of hot conflict the Chinese will turn up their manufacturing numbers even beyond current already impressive numbers.

All of the Trump Administration's foreign policy and many of its economic policy decisions circle back towards this pivot towards the Indo Pacific/ China. The war in Ukraine was low key dialed down and off-loaded on DC's previously freeloading European allies. Venezuela was flipped due to its role in China's oil security. The Panaman Canal was secured due to Beijing's interference and its potential for blocking. Cuba is in the process of being flipped due to its potential as a escalation equalizer in the event of a US move. The Mexican Cartels are in part a Chinese proxy due to the CCP's role in the fentanyl trade and moneylaundering through Chinese banks, Islamabad got the greenlight to F up Afghanistan due to covert talks on a Iranian-Chinese pipeline through Afghan territory etc. Likewise the tariff wars, rare earth policies, reshoring, increases in military budgets and economic decoupling are meant to weaken China and make the US more resilient.

Iran fits the mould as well. Iran is a vital chain in China's long term strategy to create secure and stable sanction proof hydrocarbon lifelines towards the Chinese mainland. Iran is China's biggest import partner and that number is likely even underestimated due to shenanigans to evade sanctions. China's oil question is also why the BRI exists, and why the Chinese have all but in name abandoned their non-interference policy in Myanmar - the junta is in cahoots with Beijing and Persian Gulf oil is projected to be offloaded in Myanmar ports to be funneled towards the Yunnan through pipeline.

China needs Iran's oil. Beijing really couldn't care less about either the Islamic Republic or the Jewish state, any talk on that is red meat for buckos. It really is all about Iranian oil and keeping Washington away from that oil. Likewise Beijing needs to Strait of Hormuz to remain open - you see the Chang juxtaposition and bind already appearing right there. If the US flips Iran thereby taking over the country's oil market it would mean a serious setback to China's long term strategies, possibly delaying any move on Taiwan for years. Likewise it's why the Trump Administration is acting on Iran, there must have been a sense of urgency.
 
scorpion said:
If your analysis starts and ends with, "The Jews are evil, therefore anyone opposing the Jews is good," then you have all the makings of a useful idiot (note that the same verdict would apply if your simple-minded take labeled Iran, China, Russia, or any other country "evil"). If you're making moral judgments when analyzing the conduct of nation-state actors, you're way out of your depth.
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There's too much reflexive contratarism for the sake of contratarism in this sphere along with too much "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking. It's how you end up getting people who are supposed to be Christians such as Milo offering a prayer in Arabic for the ayatollah or posters with Christian tags on this forum expressing their admiration for the ayttollah for "living for a higher purpose". Yes this post does actually exist and I could provide a link to it but in the interest of downplaying personal attacks I will refrain from doing so.

Another big issue is people mixing up their personal wishes for what they wish the world could be like with what the world is actually like and what is possible. It's how we end up lionizing these second and third rate nations that and building them as saviors that will liberate us from the Jewish world order even when they severely lack the competence and ability to do so. I remember there was a lot of lionizing of Assad on the old forums which carried over to the new one with people calling him the "Lion of Damascus". His regime collapsed which actually did take me by surprise since I thought he was going to end up surviving and consolidating his power in Syria, but I tried to learn some lessons from that.

Unfortunately other people didn't learn anything and propped up Iran as the next great brown hope for taking out Israel - even touting their supposed high IQ without being able to prove it and in contradiction to actual studies about what their average IQ is and also referred to them as warriors and elite Aryans despite not having any accomplishments to live up to those honors. Instead these posters had to refer to their "ancient great civilization" since they could only find any accomplishments if they went back over two thousand years to the days of Persia. There's nothing about their record in recent times that indicated they are "warriors" that could take on Israel considering they couldn't even beat Iraq, a mediocre regional power after being slogged down in a war with them for close to a decade but people just wanted to believe they wanted to believe. It reminded me a bit of QAnon and it boggles the mind that this community could have so many people that saw through it earlier than most but at the same fail to apply the same lessons to current events.
 
But isn't China a making of the Judeo-Masonic West who needed slave farm workers because they couldn't stand paying American Charlie $60 bucks an hour, nice house/safe neighborhood, stay at home June Cleaver wife, Good kids, 2 '57 Chevys and a project Hotrod?

I mean we do have a Jewish Sayanim over this whole damn planet right? Run dope, arms, porn, and above all control and own the entire modern economic system of the world?

I'm not saying they get their way everyday, but Hell of a Time play George "W" Bush.

And I'm not saying You can't have parallel interests, but what the Hell happened to White Man Civilized Diplomacy ?

I mean I do have Atilla the Hun Fantasies too...steam rolling across the Globe, taking all da loot...real stud Warrior Bully type...well until marrying a German Princess and dying right after the wedding..
 
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