Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

[Samseau]

Ignorance in never an excuse. That's why discernment is so important. Choosing a church is the prime example of this. You'd better do your homework and work out why the Orthodox Church is the true one. If you do poor research and end up a Roman Catholic you've missed the mark and put yourself in a very precarious position you might (or rather will) pay dearly for. Same goes with joining the military, US being the prime subject here. Anyone who was here to see 9/11 had a veil pulled off his eyes. At first I didn't know why it was happening but I knew something really suspicious occurred. I was a matter of discernment to get to the bottom of that. Everyone who did his homework never got involved in the Iraq/Afghanistan debacle. I had a really long and hard thought what to make out of servicemen after that point and concluded you can't serve two masters, you either serve Satan or God - if you got involved, you're guilty of the whole.

Everyone is ignorant, including you. It's hypocrisy to judge others for it. All of us, all the time, are constantly battling against a massive deficit of knowledge. Understanding the world is extremely difficult, which is filled with falsehoods and distractions, making it a miracle that we learn any Truth at all.

It is God that provides us knowledge, not our own devices. Thinking "you" are the one discovering things is just pride, God is the one who leads us to Him (who is the Truth). Thus it is impossible for people to simply "discover" the Truth, what they actually need is a spiritual conversion, and then they will be open to the Truth.

Such conversions can take years, decades or more, and God does not judge us for how long it takes as long as we are able to come home to Him. Hence the parable of Prodigal Son.

So a young man who naïvely joins the military is never judged by God, which is why some of the most revered Saints were active military men, such as St. George. St. George served for the Roman Empire that would burn Christians at the stake, the same Empire that would torture and murder him, and is given the highest of praises.

Why? Because God ended up using that same evil Roman Empire to make the backbone of Christendom for the next 2000 years. What you think as "evil" is merely another tool for God in His infinite wisdom. We are the ignorant ones, He is the wise One.

Thus God has his pious young men join the American military, serving Talmudic interests, because God's plan involves all of it towards His Kingdom in ways none of us can ever understand. Hence why the Church teaches to respect the military, even when you disagree with it's ends, and to pay your tax, even when it is oppressive and wasted.

Samseau seems to use the same logic with regards to Trump not being able to call out the jews because of "Muh, congress." A man of God does the right thing regardless of the consequences. If you are ordered to invade Iraq and the directive is illegal and immoral then you refuse your orders and go to jail. If the jews order you to bomb Iran and it is illegal and immoral then you refuse and get impeached.

This is silly; bombing a country after giving them advance notice hardly constitutes an evil act. Nations have always fought each other for power, especially heathen nations against Christian ones. It doesn't matter if Talmuds are involved or not, without Talmuds we'd still be engaging with wars with other countries for power or profit. This is part of the fallen nature of man and it is completely unavoidable.

Hence why St. Constantine or St. Justinian are considered saints, despite being ruthless kings, because it was always understood that politics is a messy, disgusting game involving this fallen world, and that we must judge the consequences of such people as much as their intentions.

In Trump's case, his intentions are to appease the Talmuds and keep power (bad), but the consequences have been trivial in the extreme (good). Hardly an extreme evil act, unlike the Ukraine War which has killed millions. Since we have to measure consequences we always take the lesser of evils in order to protect our Neighbors as much as possible.

There is a role for those with pure intentions and actions, and these are our Priests and clergymen, but politics is not and never will be such a place for purity.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Massie's stance on Israel is not why Trump is against him...

Bullsh*t.

Voting against the BBB means turning America into a third-world craphole.

Unintentional fortune telling lie. F*ck that bill. Either way, I will never know it existed. It is all nothing burger JQ theater that has no real world bearing on a low consumption, low jew economic system usage, low jew media consumption, life in the woods.

Massie argues that we don't need an omni-bus and we should vote on individual bills, which is dumb since none of them will get 60 votes in the Senate. With an Omni-Bus, we only need 50 votes. Yes Senate rules are retarded but that's the game right now.

It's just ridiculous, all the excuses for not doing the right thing. Let it all burn, but do the right thing. It is "compromise" without idealistic Christian principle that has landed us in the position we are in. At some point men have to cowboy-up, gird their loins and stop being afraid of the jews. Nothing can be achieved without naming the jew as the enemy instead of a friend. The BBB means nothing without addressing the JQ, it is putting the cart before the horse. Massie seems to understand the evil of AIPAC and Trump is intentionally undermining him to push some pork infested, anti-Christian bill through, instead of attempting to gut the system and going down in flames like a man. This country and our government could absolutely be cleaned up and gutted of a foreign interventionist, endless war doctrine. But "men" like Trump fail to deliver on their promises and instead kowtow to jews because he puts jews first, not America. You should absolutely be calling for Trump to be admonished and humiliated on a large 4Chan troll scale for being a conscious talmudic puppet, but instead you cover for him with this anti-Christian "lesser of two evils" bullsh*t. Evil is evil and should be labeled as such. You do the right thing regardless of what's "realistic," if we all held ourselves and our leaders to Christian, anti-jew standards the talmuds could be defeated. But instead the BBB just ushers in more Israel first war, and America last "legal" immigration to further the "money first" talmudic agenda.

Nations have always fought each other for power, especially heathen nations against Christian ones. It doesn't matter if Talmuds are involved or not, without Talmuds we'd still be engaging with wars with other countries for power or profit. This is part of the fallen nature of man and it is completely unavoidable.

In the past sure. But in 2025 where 95% of the world's normies have access to electricity and antibiotics and 70% have access to the internet this is patently false. There is currently no need or purpose for mass casualty war except for the enjoyment and financial gain of the satanic elite. The only war that might make some sense for America would be to invade 100 miles deep into Mexico along the entire 2000 mile US/Mexico border and claim that land for America and militarize the area with tanks, machine gun towers, and land mines thus putting a death nail in illegal southern border crossings and the drug cartels. But of course the one war that we should be waging, we're not because the jews are making too much money from a porous southern US border.

And when was the last time China directly and openly waged war on another country? If the commies can restrain themselves from endless war then surely Christian men can stop the jews from engaging in unnecessary, for profit war in America's name?

 

[Samseau]

But instead the BBB just ushers in more Israel first war, and America last "legal" immigration to further the "money first" talmudic agenda.

No it reduces the amount of power Reform Jews have and increases the amount of power Christians have. Which is why 100% of Democrats oppose it. Can't you see the obvious?

But in 2025 where 95% of the world's normies have access to electricity and antibiotics and 70% have access to the internet this is patently false. There is currently no need or purpose for mass casualty war except for the enjoyment and financial gain of the satanic elite.

There is never any need for war, at any point in history. War is a result of man's fallen nature, which is immutable and unchanging, and not a result of scarcity. Man has not changed since the days of Abraham.

All our advances mean nothing, we are still monkeys with bigger toys and more destructive weapons. We will still go to war no matter what because men are greedy, prideful, vainglorious, and filled with all kinds of lusts.

 

[Ember]

Mods - if there is a better thread for this, please move it. I have searched and cannot find one.

 

[expectation]

Mods - if there is a better thread for this, please move it. I have searched and cannot find one.

We went over this in the Israel-Iran conflict thread quite a few concluded that it was a diplomatic off-ramp for the cease fire and done in a way that'll save face for both Iran and USA.

The Military Tech rabbit hole might be a misdirection but just by looking at the diplomatic behaviors of both parties, the off-ramp makes sense.

US domestically, its a shit show with Trump Administration maintaining face, and Democrats doing what they can to embarrass Trump.

The way I see it, its a great white lie.

 

[Cooper]

 

[Cooper]

 

[TruckDriver9]

Iranians started to work on Fordow.
Sat photos from a few days ago show bulldozers clearing access roads to both impact sites.

Newer imagery shows engineering equipment working at the sites and clearing a side entrance tunnel.

"Iranian activity at the MOP impact points of the underground Fordow Enrichment Plant observed in satellite imagery taken by @Maxar yesterday and today indicate preparations for downhole damage assessment and possible downhole entry of cameras and/or personnel. Imagery from today shows a large mobile crane at one impact site, near the main ventilation shaft impact hole where preparations are still being made by a mobile excavator/backhoe. At the other impact site a bulldozer is preparing a staging pad. We assess that at a minimum, Iran would lower cameras first, and then personnel if it were deemed to be feasible and safe, starting with the site where the crane is already present.
Of note, the Iranians have an easier time getting to the ventilation shafts #2 (per DOD schematic) than getting to ventilation shafts #1 because #2 is on more stable rock, while the geology surrounding the surface area of #1 is highly unstable as indicated by the broad oval shaped crater resulting from the combined effects of the impacts by the GBU-57 MOP bombs. The encompassing crater's slope is very steep and situated on very loose, and therefore unstable, earth, such that it is not possible to gain close access via a normal mobile crane. As of June 30, all three of the ventilation shaft holes are still open at site #1, while two of the auxiliary shafts at #2 have evidently been covered such that downhole access is likely to occur at site #2 first. For site #1, the Iranians will likely use the pad identified in imagery to establish a platform to erect a much larger crane that can reach the ventilation shaft #1 from beyond the lip of the larger encompassing crater.
Further, we observe many trucks near the east access portal, and no visible activity at backfilled tunnel entrances. Several of the trucks appear to be dump trucks used to haul away debris."


"Satellite imagery taken by @Maxar today show ongoing work at the MOP impact points of the Fordow Enrichment Plant and progress in clearing access to the eastern tunnel entrance portal.
As of July 1, Iran has sufficiently cleared the surroundings of the eastern tunnel portal to gain vehicle access to the entrance portal, although the extent of access inside the tunnel is unclear. At this eastern tunnel entrance portal, the entrance building had been destroyed and a bomb crater was previously visible above the tunnel entrance. Dump trucks likely used for hauling away debris were still visible yesterday.
At ventilation shaft #2 (per DOD schematic), Iran has used the large crane to offload the materials necessary to provide temporary cover over the shafts and erect a safety barrier (the crane boom is up, with a clear shadow visible, and various materials are scattered around the shaft area).
Iran also created a new makeshift access road to ventilation shaft site #1 from the south perimeter road where various vehicles, including one possible transporter, are present. Newly as of today, the ventilation shaft #1 is also covered, however, it looks like this is a temporary fix. It appears that the bulldozer has pushed earthen material down over the edge of the large encompassing crater lip into the ventilation shaft holes previously created by the bombing. Given the lack of mechanized equipment tracking next to the holes and all of the other unidentified activity near the holes, it is possible that they just have temporarily covered the holes such that earthworks can be conducted around the shaft openings without material and personnel falling into the shafts in the hope that the shafts can be reworked at some point in the future. Another, albeit less likely possibility given the depth of the shafts, is that the holes have been backfilled.
Overall, ventilation is critical to any future underground operations, so if Iran were ever to try to renew operations they would have to rebuild the shafts and associated infrastructure along with any other repairs required post attack. The shafts could be rebuilt in their current positions, or new ventilation shafts could be constructed in a different configuration, although this may take significantly more time to accomplish.
Right now the site is likely just undergoing damage assessment, which will soon be followed by recovery operations to access any salvageable equipment and materials and depending on the extent of damage, possibly also cleanup and repair. We will continue to monitor the situation and gain more insights as time goes on."

 

[Cooper]

Unconfirmed:

 

[Cooper]

 

[Wutang]

Check the Tweet that is from - Community Notes have been saying there's no indication of any sort of strike coming

No reliable sources confirm a second US air strike. After a June 22 operation, the US told Iran its military action was complete and helped broker a ceasefire. The State Department advisory to leave Iran is accurate but unrelated to new strikes.ir.usembassy.gov/security-alert…bbc.com/news/articles/…newsonair.gov.in/white-house-op…

Also that account is not affiliated with the US Homeland Security Dept despite the blue checkmark. Take a look at the sort of posts it's releasing, it's basically a content/engagement farm.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

At least someone is getting rid of their illegals, LOL.

 

[Ember]

Mods - if there is a better thread for this, please move it. I have searched and cannot find one.

It turns out that this thread was on my ignore list, which is why I could not see it or get a search result. Strange, because I don't recall ever putting any thread on ignore.

Anyway, Is Congress really considering giving B-2 bombers to Israel? If they do, I can foresee some getting shot down. Russia will supply S400 AA at some point. So far, Iran has refused them, but that will change. B-2 are not invisible to all radar bands, just some of them.