Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Again easy for us to talk about what another country should or shouldn't do from the comfort of our safe western countries. I'm not telling you that what you're wishing for is wrong I'm just pointing out what is realistic about the situation. Arabs don't like iranians and today they have more to gain from the USA than they do from Iran, that's it.....it may not always be that way but that's what it is today and now.
And my argument is that they have a lot more to lose, and they should be thinking about the future, not just today.

Loose example that comes to mind look at the african countries signing up with China or even some of the middle eastern countries doing the same, they know damn well china wants absolutely nothing but to strip them of their resources and will turn on a dime dropping them like a bad habit once they don't serve that purpose anymore. Everyone knows that but they don't have a better choice, it's just the realism of the situation.
The Africans and Middle Eastern nations do not presume that China will behave the same as the West.
 
And my argument is that they have a lot more to lose, and they should be thinking about the future, not just today.


The Africans and Middle Eastern nations do not presume that China will behave the same as the West.


And AGAIN I'm not saying you're wrong but you're sitting in your safe western country telling them what is best for them and assuming you know what they think based on your own bias perceptions. I think we're just doing two different things here, I'm analyzing the situation for what it actually is and you're analyzing it for what you think it should be.

I hope the USA decides tomorrow to point their missiles at israel instead because that would be much better for all of us, doesn't mean it's going to happen so I'm not going to waste making an argument for it when we're sitting here talking about an actual live situation.
 
and assuming you know what they think based on your own bias perceptions.

Is that not what you were doing when you said the following? "...look at the african countries signing up with China or even some of the middle eastern countries doing the same, they know damn well china wants absolutely nothing but to strip them of their resource"
 
Is that not what you were doing when you said the following? "...look at the african countries signing up with China or even some of the middle eastern countries doing the same, they know damn well china wants absolutely nothing but to strip them of their resource"

I said that as an example reference to what you were saying, I was directly relating an example to you and I said as much. I wasn't telling another country what they should do because it's what I want, that's not the same thing. Thats my opinion just like what you're saying is your opinion I can accept that.

Again and again I don't disagree with your OPINION, I'm just pointing out that your opinion of what other countries should do doesn't coincide with the reality of the actual situation. That is all brother, did not mean to offend you in any way by offering perspective....
 
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Did you mean to also post an exact refutation of the post along with your own post?
LOL, it refutes the Italian channel, as it cannot be proved it was Italian. It supported the claim of the US asking for a cease fire. If true, and Grok says it is true, that is pretty stunning.
 
LOL, it refutes the Italian channel, as it cannot be proved it was Italian. It supported the claim of the US asking for a cease fire. If true, and Grok says it is true, that is pretty stunning.
The Grok post says Trump has publicly called for a ceasefire - as in something that he announced to the public at large and not him asking through backdoor channels. I'm assuming you must have checked to see if any such statements were made given they should be easy to find if it was a public statement from Trump. Please post it.
 
The Grok post says Trump has publicly called for a ceasefire - as in something that he announced to the public at large and not him asking through backdoor channels. I'm assuming you must have checked to see if any such statements were made given they should be easy to find if it was a public statement from Trump. Please post it.
Yes, Grok confirmed he has asked for a ceasefire, that is why I posted it. If he has asked for a ceasefire, that is a huge defeat. I only posted it because Grok confirmed it to be true. Maybe Grok has it wrong.
 
This is the original tweet, I noticed the guy making the claim completely shut off replies to it



The Grok post you posted as proof also said that tweet was the only source for this claim and that no one that was supposedly involved (Italians, Trump) have collaborated it.
 
This is the original tweet, I noticed the guy making the claim completely shut off replies to it



The Grok post you posted as proof also said that tweet was the only source for this claim and that no one that was supposedly involved (Italians, Trump) have collaborated it.

Grok did say Trump was involved. Maybe Grok is wrong.

Trump did publicly urge an immediate ceasefire + talks today after US/Israel strikes on Iran and Iran's retaliation
 
Pro Iranian account saying Ayatollah is still alive



Iranian government also saying Ayatollah and president of Iran are both still alive

Of course they're saying he's alive. A dead Khamenei would greatly dent the IR's standing+ status and sap its forces' morale. It would also most probably lead to people hitting the streets yet again.

The rumors on his death are getting louder. Judging on US and Israeli technological and intelligence game, track record and past messaging I'd say he's gone. This would coincide with the news reports on other big wigs croaking, the initial decapitation strike was successful yet again and many of the IRGC and political leadership were eliminated in the initial strike. Most likely the attack was kept on the shelf until Khamenei was pinpointed after which his bunker residency was targeted with heavy bunkerbusting ammunitions

 
Of course they're saying he's alive. A dead Khamenei would greatly dent the IR's standing+ status and sap its forces' morale. It would also most probably lead to people hitting the streets yet again.

The rumors on his death are getting louder. Judging on US and Israeli technological advance, track record and past messaging I'd say he's gone. This would coincide with the news reports on other big wigs croaking, the initial decapitation strike was successful yet again and many of the IRGC and political leadership were eliminated in the initial strike.

This may also explain the generally tepid missile response.
 
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