Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread
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Iranian proxies: Kata’ib Hezbollah in Iraq and Houthis Yemen, vow to attack American assets in the region if the US attack Iran.
We scrapped our intermediate range ballistic missile programs at the end of the cold war - the INF treaty. And while we were busy running counterinsurgency operations for the past 20 years, other countries were developing their arsenals.
Politicians don't fight in wars they start. Soldiers do.
Iran keeps most of their arsenals in underground vaults - one could try to estimate their stockpiles based on the industrial output, but that won't be 100% accurate.
Their nuclear program was a great bargaining chip - they could suspend/renew it whenever they wanted something from the west. Bet now they regret not finishing it.
Outdated tech. Poor command and control, especially after Israel killed their top air defense and aerospace officers. Israeli actions - taking out radars and launchers through both: sabotage and airstrikes. Israeli countermeasures - their bomb runs fly under escort: one plane carries ground attack munitions, another air to air interceptors to shoot down any Iranian missile that comes flying.
Theatrics. Saving face. But also genuine desire not to wage war - no matter how it will end, there's always a price to pay. Only jews and war profiteers like war.
BRICS ain't a military alliance. Never will be. Its members, especially after enlargement, have more conflicting interests than common goals. The only reason why they cooperate is our "bull in the china shop" foreign policy.
This is basic logic that ought to be obvious to US officials. No bombing campaign can keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The only possible effect it can have would be to convince Iran they should go ahead and acquire the weapons. Nuclear weapons are 1940s technology which any mid-tier nation can produce indigenously.
Just something to consider, because like I said earlier today, no one here knows what is really going on, and anyone who says they do is not being truthful.
What Scott Ritter was interviewed right after Oct 7th, he said something that really blew my mind, he said that when investigating Hamas, they would set up fake headquarters. Hamas knew Israel was spying on them, and in a Judo like move, they would use this against Israel. He said the would carry phones to a location, leave them there all day, then go back and take them back home with them. Israel would pick up on the phones all in one area and mark it as a headquarters. They would meet in the real headquarters without any devices so Israel could not locate it.
Then we saw it play out in real life. Israel flattened a hospital in Gaza claiming there was a Hamas headquarter underneath it. When they finally got into it, after all the bombs, and soldiers lost fighting to get there, they found it was a tunnel that was long sealed off and nothing was under it.
My point being, relying only on high tech can be a big issue as well. F-14's are 1970's technology, those jets should be in a museum, other than I think they modified them to carry long range air to surface missiles. But still, putting them up in the air seems like a futile move. Instead, they can leave these things out on the surface, let Israel waste time and resources bombing them, and college intel on the Israeli jets. We know Iran got newer jet technology from Russia, and I doubt we see those sitting out in the wide open.
What really leads me to believe this is Putin himself said their stuff was deep in the ground and we couldn't reach it.
My point all in all is we don't know what Iran does or does not have. We know they have not backed down one inch or agreed to any terms, so either they have a big surprise, or many of them, or they are suicidal. I would rather not find out and let Israel get flattened over time, or at least until they agree to give up their nukes.
But here's the thing. While Israel is unable to crack these underground vaults open, they can (as confirmed by sat photos) block them by repeatedly striking at the entrances. This in turn forces Iran to bring up munitions from arsenals located outside of Israeli reach, in the east of the country. And Iran is large - more than a 1000km from east to west, that's a long way. Even longer under the watchful eye of Israeli drones.
Explosions in Bandar Abbas, the largest port in Iran located next to the Straits of Hormuz. Unclear, at the moment, what was hit but there's lots of targets there - energy infrastructure, navy HQ, ships at port, etc.
He talks about peace while bombing a country defending itself from a horrible aggressor.
Welp, now things get interesting.
I'm honestly not exactly sure how I feel right now guys...
Maybe we can all form a 'Pals Battalion' for WW3.
If anything, we’d just insured another long-term war in the Middle East, this also paved the road for Russia and China to get involved
We’ve done this before in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria,
Iran has had decades long wars with Iraq, they don’t just give up after a couple of bombings
We’ve done this before in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria,
Iran has had decades long wars with Iraq, they don’t just give up after a couple of bombings
The difference of "another war in the middle east" this time is that Iran isn't an Iraq or Libya and the population of the West had it good financially and morally back then.
Not now so the reality of this 'war' which Trump or Iran never declared btw is completely insane and that's why the rest of the world is quietly waiting.
Not now so the reality of this 'war' which Trump or Iran never declared btw is completely insane and that's why the rest of the world is quietly waiting.