Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

[Get2choppaaa]

It's not that simple and I don't think your statement is realistic or in accord with general knowledge or my experience as a young enlisted man in the USMC.

Soldiers are young and they're in a social situation of extreme compliance. It's fewer than 1 in 1000 men who can choose to be the first to disobey orders and the person giving those orders believes them himself, and has also received a great deal of training to be obedient.

This is one of the reasons the USA changed its conscription rules after Vietnam, so that there would not be mass non-compliance with orders again. I was on a base with 15,000 Marines and only one of them refused Gulf War 1. That's probably a typical numerical ratio. It basically never happens.

Keep in mind that in the US military, willful disobedience of a lawful order from a commissioned officer (or E-9 on a ship), UCMJ Article 92*, is punishable by death, although I don't think that's happened since Vietnam or maybe earlier.

*unless that faggot Obama changed the manual for courts-martial on this like he did Art. 125 Sodomy.

I was never told to bomb kids. But I do know that some were killed as "collateral damage" from the target packages we executed. That included a university we destroyed due to suspected bomb making and weapons depot with significant infrastructure and sigint reporting suggesting legitimacy of target... But I would be lying if I said I think it was all peachy keen and on the up and up.

I suspect this is the same thing here with the school. We have no idea what really happened and what's true anymore between ai, propaganda on both sides, and outright chaos from ignorant people.

Supposing the kids thing is true (and I am not saying it's not)...I suspect this was a building that was part of a previous military fortification, had residual infasteuctrue and was also deliberately part of an approach to prevent strikes against the compound... If youve deployed and been in that situation then you know that happens and unfortunately our adversaries (be they just or unjust) do too.

Civilians have always been the greatest casualty of war, in so far as they are caught in between willing belligerents. Doesn't make it right but it's literally the never ending story and reality of armed conflict.

I say all this because so few men fight in wars, yet have such bold opinions about what they are like ... So I take the news and the criticism with a very very very very large margarita rim of salt when people are convinced one story is accurate be it ours or the other side.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Theodosius wasn't a pagan so this is not really an accurate comparison unless you're saying soldiers follow orders.

The fact that Theodosius was a Christian who sicced his military on his own people is even worse and demonstrates that the point I was responding to is historically inaccurate.

 

[Droughtmeat]

If the Russians were to insist that the Iranians agree to a ceasefire knowing full well that it would likely lead to repeat of the conflict later on, it would the most incredible hypocrisy, and the Iranians would certainly point that out. It's not happening, IMHO. The Russians would never be that shameless.

Russians know full well that the west can't be trusted regarding ceasefires and literally anything war related.

The only scenario where it makes sense is if it's some 4D chess BRICS move where there's economic benefit for those states, in addition to a resolution in the Ukraine.

 

[Droughtmeat]

Orthodox Christians served faithfully under the Pagan Roman empire and they never abandoned their faith or did wrong while in that position, an Orthodox Christian wouldnt intentionally and knowingly bomb a civilian girls public school thats the difference.

I agree with those saying it's an oversimplification. In a hypothetical scenario, if it took such an action to expel Albanians from Kosovo, Serbs would most likely pull it off.

Also, Ukrainian Orthodox Christians would certainly do this to Russians, if given the opportunity.

And if we take the deeds of Ivan the Terrible into account, who was also Orthodox, I don't see how this statement that Orthodox Christians would "never" do such things holds water.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Additional imagery of destroyed Iranian naval assets. First video is from yesterday, a Soleimani class Corvette that was passed off as civilian for some reason. Second video includes a capsized Mowj class Corvette in the Bushehr Naval Base.