Cooper said:
Serpentza and his sidekick lie most of the time, here is an example, where they state that only the top 1% of Chinese travel abroad.:
The problem with the video from Matt Galat of the Nuance channel, and I watched the whole thing, is that it gives a very short clip, without context, and without a link to the original source.
Let me give some background. From around 2013-2016 I watched a lot of YT channels of Westerners in China and made a list of those I liked the most. I was very familiar with all the English speaking "I live in China" Youtubers of any size.
Western Youtubers in China circa 2016 said:
Austin Guidry - laowai in Chengdu
C-Milk Vivi - local person married to laowai86 translates between the two cultures
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China Non-Stop - general news and topics George had to shut it down 20190106
Churchill Customs - motorcycle adventures in China mixed with Chinese culture
Adventure Talk Show on Two Wheels - ADVChina Support the show here - https://www.patreon.com/advpodcasts
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Collin Sphere - best of the "English teacher in China" videos
Watch as I bargain in the markets around the world!
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Floating City Shanghai - high quality laowai produced sitcom on Shanghai, 3 eps total
Floating City is a Shanghai based web series following the misadventures of Jenny, expat and wannabe journalist. Watch her attempt to navigate her life and a career in the transient city she calls home. Wechat ID: floatingcitysh
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GLOBIK - content specific video series on different foreigner abroad topics, with the first on Shanghai apartment rentals
This channel is my playground. So far it's been mostly vlogs about my life abroad and my travels... But from time to time, you will be served different types of videos going from short films, documentaries, music videos and experimental stuff. I've been living in Asia for nearly 10 years. First...
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Insect Island - a bilingual foreign student in Taiwan
我是姜安蓉,傳說中的白雞蛋:外面是美國人,裏面西呆灣狼~ 希望在這可以把本島的自然美麗跟大家分享!
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irishinasia2012 - easy to watch foreigner from guess where in Jiangsu and his collection of vids on life there
On this channel you will find videos about travel, my daily life, and how things are for a foreigner living in China. Make sure you subscribe so you don't miss a video. Thanks for watching! :)
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laowhy86 - channel goes back a long time, but since the vids have been numbered, they've been super good and tightly focused on motorcycle and other adventures of in China
Support my work here - http://patreon.com/advpodcasts China's a wild place. I lived there for a decade, and I have the knowledge and insight to tell you what's happening there now, and to help you make sense of it all. For my live Podcast go on Fridays at 5 PM ET, got to...
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Raising Shanghai - foreigner takes his kids to all the cool places in Shanghai
Raising Shanghai is a family oriented documentary about life in Shanghai as an expat. Every week we bring you a bit of our own lives as well as a view into new location in or around one of the largest cities on Earth. We aim to show our children's perspective of the world and hopefully that...
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serpentza - foreigner in Shenzhen displays his topic-focused point of view on life in his China
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Sexy Cyborg - Naomi Wu is local Cantonese DIY unboxing video producer and lightweight fabricator in Shenzhen.
I'm a tech and DIY enthusiast from Shenzhen, China. I like to show what life here is like here, review the latest cutting-edge tech from the "Silicon Valley of Hardware" and build awesome things in my livingroom workshop.
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Shanghai Expat - short videos and news from Shanghai
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Snarky White Guy - foreigner in small town Guangdong displays his topic-focused point of view on life in his China
I'm "SnarkyGuy", an American living in Shanghai. I make films about what I see in China often with uncurmudgeon-like commentary, perhaps some travel tips, a little splash of scenery, oodles of opinion, and the occasional "dad" joke. Occasionally I even know what I'm talking about. It's cool...
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The Food Ranger
TMD Shanghai - well-produced video skits about foreigners in Shanghai and culture conflict, as well as humorous parts of Chinese culture
Indie studio, born on YouTube. Aiming for the Silver Screen. Midgies • Straw • Behind • Isleanders • Mamahuhu
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Travel Xinjiang: Far West China shut it down December 2018
This is the now-retired channel of travel author Josh Summers, documenting his decade of life in China's western region of Xinjiang. For most people, Xinjiang is known as the place of concentration camps, oppression and cultural genocide. While this is true, what gets lost in the news is the...
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Wookong - short bits of Chinese history
WooKong: Using animation and popular media as a lens to explore history. Thank you so much for watching :) *It takes quite a while to research and put these videos together, sorry for the slow upload schedule but please know I am always working on a new one*
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Matt Galat, an American, now with the channel name of Nuance, started with a channel called JaYoe Nation, and had an accompanying Twitter and a dedicated web site, etc., and I started watching his content because he was recommended by Serpentza, who also recommended many in the above list. In fact, after Serpentza became the top Western youtuber in China talking about his life there, he had many meetups to promote other people and he asked for nothing in return; he did have some kind of subscription for his audience related to those meetups, but not for the other YT'ers.
Matt Galat's content was good and I was already watching two other Westerners who cycled around China, so I began watching his as well. This is reaching back quite a ways and I remember some details, but not everything.
Matt and Serpentza / Laoway86 got into a disagreement, so I watched both of their more than one hour long videos explaining why the other person was a liar and, although I don't remember the details so many years later, I remember that I was convinced that Matt, despite his good content, was a big fibber.
I eventually decided that Matt was one of those content creators I've come across several times over the years on social media who is opportunistic to take advantage of other content creators, cozies up to them, copies them, tries to grab some of their audience, and then attempts to subvert or even steal their online identity. Matt didn't go that far, but I eventually saw a lot of those traits in him.
So my bias is that I trust Serpentza/Laowhy86 and, although I like Matt's content and am impressed looking back now at all that he is done, I do not trust him. So I need the original video where he found Serpentza saying that only 1% of Chinese travel abroad in order to know when he said it and what was the context. Was Serpentza excluding both students and those who only go to Hong Kong and Macau?
For one thing, 1% of China is 14 million people, so how many Chinese travel abroad? How many have passports? How many just go to Hong Kong? I would expect today for the number to be higher than 1%, but what is the correct number?
Here are two of Serpentza's and Matt's collaboration videos, as well as the internet beef videos. I must have watched all these years ago, but I have not re-watched them for this discussion.
Feb. 28, 2017 JaYoe Nation -
SERPENTZA and JAYOE NATION EXPLORE SHENZHEN
Matt Galat said:
In today’s VLOG, February 25th, I meet Vlogger SerpentZA in his neck of the woods, Shenzhen and we talk "VLOG" over a walking tour of the city. From New downtown to Old DongMen. Shenzhen’s first McDonalds, Chinese Guardian Lion Mouth Balls, Geoducks, “Handshake” Apartments, SerpentZA’s homeless experience, some cool Shenzhen Locals and we talk about SerpentZA’s next Vlog. Then I ate a hotdog.
Mar. 3, 2017 serpentza -
Chinese Netizens will LOVE you or DESTROY you!
serpentza said:
There is a very interesting phenomenon in China, sensationalist news articles and web posts can overnight destroy an individual's reputation or skyrocket them to fame and fortune! This is a story of how one of my subscribers very unfairly had his reputation almost completely destroyed, but was able to fight back and claim the moral high ground! Also I meet up with the Jayoe Nation, another China vlogger out of Ningbo!
Matt's take on the situation after a falling out.
Aug. 18, 2020 JaYoe Nation -
SerpentZa, Laowhy86, Lies, Deceit & Propaganda
Matt Galat said:
This video is a rebuttal and explanation for the lies and misrepresentations made against me and my friend for the recent trip we took to Chongqing. I hope this clears up some things and allows you to enjoy and understand my upcoming video to Chongqing as well as my friends and fellow travellers’ episodes as well. Please support iChongqing (https://www.ichongqing.info/) and subscribe to their channel ( / @ichongqing ) and media. They are a good honest company run by good people who are passionate about their city and its sad they have had their reputation smeared like this for honestly no good reason.
Jan. 16, 2021 Serpentza & Laowhy86 talk about Matt being a China shill
serpentza -
TRAITORS working for Communist Chinese Government?
serpentza said:
YouTubers taking money from the Chinese Government, pushing communist party propaganda and constantly attacking the west, are these things connected? Are these guys really Traitors? Is this a misunderstanding or perhaps it's something in-between? Come and find out...
The Article in the times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be...
Cooper said:
There are many more, a lot of Serpentza's sassertions on the Chinese are incredibly stupid, like saying that the Chinese have no hobbies.
I was also surprised by how few Chinese people had hobbies, but when I saw how much time Chinese children spend in school and doing homework, it makes sense. Almost none of my students of any age had hobbies beyond things like very infrequent badminton playing. They just weren't interested in things the way you see in the West. They're into doing things for luck, like gambling, more than pokemon or corn cob art. I often remarked to other foreigners that "Chinese don't have hobbies" as part of my general description of life there.
Two of my biggest hobbies in China were cycling and Tai Chi (correctly transliterated:
taiijiquan), and I did those with Chinese people, but they were so few compared to the population. The per capita hobbyists were rare, but this did increase noticeably during the years I was there because China became wealthier.
I eventually got into rock climbing through some foreign friends and found a lot of Chinese doing that. Never found many swimming, but the only lap pools near me were off limits to foreigners, so I swam in a reservoir, which most Chinese were afraid to use because so much of the fresh water in China is just a cancer incubation pond.
Cooper said:
I've made a basic point about them that you haven't addressed: their show wall to wall China vitriol, and the Chinese are evil, and their government infinitely worse than ours. It's not just about neocon mantra of the Chinese suffering under communist dictatorship and we need to liberate them, it's just that they are an inferior, despicable people and culture.
Yet these two pundits have nothing good to say about China, ever.
He and C-Milk/Laowhy86 used to promote China all the time when they lived there, like in this video, and many others:
Oct. 3, 2017
Why you SHOULD COME to CHINA!
serpentza said:
You really should visit China, and I'm going to tell you why!
Thinking of where to go on holiday? Maybe you need a change in your life and want to do a stint working overseas? Let me tell you why China is a fantastic place to visit or even move to!
Except for our discussions on this forum, I haven't watched much of Serpentza & Laowahy86 since Covid because the China topic is too depressing for me. However, I agree that their content is toward the far end of the negative spectrum of discussing problems in China. In fact, I have replied to Serpentza's twitter a few times about how negative his takes are, although I'm guilty of the same, so I guess it's contagious.
Overly negative, but not untrue. You pointed this out to me a while back and I acknowledged that I'm guilty of this and I'm trying to be more balanced on this topic. Maybe Serpentza should as well, but he has probably just gotten fed up with the wumao's and their copycats, and has doubled down in his exposé of the dark side of China, albeit truthfully.
Cooper said:
Well China is objectively a much better place today than it was a decade ago when they lived there: far less pollution, infrastructure is amazing, the best in the world today, salaries are much higher, housing costs lower (bad for local investors, great for average people, retirees and young families), the country is wealthier and is now on the cutting edge of technology and industry, inflation is remarkably low while it is out of control across every western nation and the rest of east Asia etc.
I am not inclined to believe that they have more productivity and less pollution, but how would you know? When I lived there, we would only pay attention to the AQI pollution meters in the US embassy and consulates and they were always much higher than the Chinese readings.