India - Culture, Politics and Insanity

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As for why it’s now acceptable for both the left and the right to open shit on Indians and mock Indians.

I like this explanation

It’s done by random people and not the gov so you can’t point to institutional racism as a cause.
Indians are successful financially in western countries, this makes it difficult to say that they are oppressed, and makes jokes at their expense more accepted by society at large.
This is the biggest one, Indians have a massive English speaking population, are very nationalistic, and even poor areas have access to internet. Unlike places like China that have the great Firewall and largely don’t speak English , if an uneducated Indian person posts a video of them eating cow dung it will be posted in English and be readily accessible to English speaking areas of the internet (what you and I are). This provides near unlimited examples of Indians debasing themselves in English on webpages most of the English speaking world uses. For example the “show bobs and vagene” memes are only well known bc they have such a high pop of internet accessed people who speak English and use the same websites.
No good news comes out of India, at least not for the majority of the world. The only things that go viral are images or videos of people playing with cow shit, news of rapes, and pics of garbage on streets, beaches, and rivers. Not to mention the ubiquitous scam calls.
TLDR: India has a big PR problem


 
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As for why it’s now acceptable for both the left and the right to open shit on Indians and mock Indians.

I like this explanation






Yeah nah, no one wants Indians. They're rude scamming and plain dirty. None of the agenda makes any sense. Indians are the most polluting lowest IQ people in the world but somehow we need them all in our clean nations while fighting a "climate crisis".

Stay in India Indians while we clean up your mess.
 
Keith Woods interviews an older Indian immigrant who's been in the West for decades in order to hear his views on his home country, and he doesn't have a lot of good things to say about it.

Same available on his substack.



I’m actually pretty surprised that Jeet in this video is being so honest.

He flat out says it would be shameful for an Indian plumber, for example to do good work, because everyone is trying to scam everyone else.

Same thing goes for a programmer or “engineer“, they try to scam their employers by doing the minimum amount of work because doing good work would be shameful because if they did good work, they wouldn’t be scamming someone else. Scam culture

And wow India sounds like a complete sh!t hole .

And at 37 minutes in he mentions that so far only the best of the best Indians are in the west. In the coming decades we are going to see your average Indian immigrating and if you think we are disgusted with Indians now we will become completely disgusted with them in the coming years/decades

Same jeet giving a different interview earlier this year

 
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He flat out says it would be shameful for an Indian plumber, for example to do good work, because everyone is trying to scam everyone else.
Keith's reaction was a quick and keen analysis when he said that someone from the West, who is on the outside of that society, could never deduce from observing that kind of behavior what their motivation was.

When I lived in China, all of the Westerners were completely bewildered by this problem and, even when we were good friends with relatively high IQ mainlanders, who also said they were puzzled, no one could come to this conclusion because it is so antithetical to the problem-solving, truth-seeking mindset of a European.

I was friends with foreigners who were factory bosses, locals who were factory owners, locals who worked in factories, and foreigners who were doing QA for Western companies and, despite discussions with them about this behavior, for years I struggled to understand what I saw with my own eyes, which was a combination of: (1) competent work by locals who knew their trade, which I often saw in specialty and newer industries like bicycle repair & coffee brewing; (2) obviously incompetent work from locals who were just clueless, for example with the handymen (shifu's) who did basic maintenance at apartment complexes; and (3) an incomprehensibly tenacious adherence to always doing things improperly even when doing it properly was equal effort, or sometimes less effort.

My foreign friend from Europe, who was fluent in Mandarin & Cantonese (we were in Guanzghou & Hong Kong, so I want to emphasize his cultural knowledge), told me stories from the large factory where he was the general manager, where both organic and intentional incompetence were just part of doing business.

He also told me how he hired a man in Hong Kong to come to his apartment and move a small display case from one wall to another, and the guy kept doing it incorrectly even though it was obvious he had more than enough skill for such a simple task. He was in my friend's apartment/house for hours screwing it up every way imaginable while my friend was doing stuff with his family in the other rooms and coming to check on the guy every 15-20 minutes to correct him, a process he kept repeating when he found the man had found discovered new and creative ways to install the shelf improperly.

My friend began showing him, step-by-step, what he wanted, using the man's own tools and trying to coax him into some facsimile of success, but the Hong Konger would always find a new way to misinterpret the simple instructions. Finally, my friend just did the job properly himself, paid the Hong Konger, and away he went. I experienced this kind of thing myself many times over the years in similar situations.

I eventually got a handle on what I saw when a young foreign friend of mine, who had been a middle-man for many deals in China, told me his theory that these mistakes were actually jokes that Chinese, in a weird way, actually played on each other sort of anonymously. His example was right before me as he pointed out how they would put door locks in upside down in half the doors of a new apartment installation and stuff like that.

It took me almost 10 years to come to peace with this aspect of mainland Chinese culture. It's basically a form of playing dumb, but performed in a way that is erratic enough to make it impossible to say it was intentional. People do this in order to avoid blame in lose-lose situations, which in China or India is basically their entire life, a depressing thought, I know.
 
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