Donald Trump

LaAguilaNegra said:
Man is gonna go hard on all geopolitical adversaries, Russia included. When T says he wants peace, he means he wants peace on his terms. Peace to Trump is at least 4 more years of ((Pax Americana)) and those not OK with that will unfortunately have to pull their turd back in.
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This might be so, but if Trump is just another pawn of the zionist military-industrial complex it's a bit strange that they tried so desperately to keep him out of office.

I guess we will all find out in due time.
 
Tippy said:
Both Trump and Elon pushed and took the vaccines. So I don't think they are going to be our saviours somehow...
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I for one believe trump was genuinely clueless. I still think the whole vaccine thing was not a massive organized conspiracy that the entire govt was aware of, but maybe 10-20 elites organized it. Trump doesn't seem like a deep thinker. Elon on the other hand...I cannot know why he would do that.
 
Batman said:
I for one believe trump was genuinely clueless. I still think the whole vaccine thing was not a massive organized conspiracy that the entire govt was aware of, but maybe 10-20 elites organized it. Trump doesn't seem like a deep thinker. Elon on the other hand...I cannot know why he would do that.
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I still believed in vaccines before Covid. Everybody has been raised on the success of the vaccines for smallpox, rabies, polio, measles, etc., which used to kill millions. I know there are arguments against these points now, but when I was young, older adults remembered seeing people die from these things, and viewed vaccines as a modern miracle. That mindset held until just before Covid, for most people.

Even now, I lean towards RFK Jr's perspective on it. At first there were a handful of vaccines that were well tested, and seemed to have a clear benefit. The smallpox vaccine is an obvious example. Smallpox is said to have killed more people than all the wars in history, and the vaccine reliably prevented it. However, now the big pharma companies have something like 70 vaccines that children are supposed to get, which were developed under a corrupt testing regime, to address diseases with marginal risks. The current vaccine regime is highly questionable whatever people might have thought about vaccines 70 years ago. Of course the kicker is that the Covid "vaccine" is not even a real vaccine.

Trump would have been solidly in the vaccine believers category for all his life before 2020. Even Elon Musk probably was. By now, a lot of people, including me, have seen how crooked the Covid situation was, and now we don't trust the other vaccines either. It takes time for this doubt to spread. The battle against vaccines won't truly be won until honest studies have shown the fraudulent nature of the vaccines and pharma companies, and they have been sued into bankruptcy. That battle will probably take 10-20 more years, with big pharma fighting back the whole way.

At least Trump has come around to support RFK Jr., and is supposedly going to put him in a position where he can really fight this fight.
 
Thomas More said:
I still believed in vaccines before Covid. Everybody has been raised on the success of the vaccines for smallpox, rabies, polio, measles, etc., which used to kill millions. I know there are arguments against these points now, but when I was young, older adults remembered seeing people die from these things, and viewed vaccines as a modern miracle. That mindset held until just before Covid, for most people.

Even now, I lean towards RFK Jr's perspective on it. At first there were a handful of vaccines that were well tested, and seemed to have a clear benefit. The smallpox vaccine is an obvious example. Smallpox is said to have killed more people than all the wars in history, and the vaccine reliably prevented it. However, now the big pharma companies have something like 70 vaccines that children are supposed to get, which were developed under a corrupt testing regime, to address diseases with marginal risks. The current vaccine regime is highly questionable whatever people might have thought about vaccines 70 years ago. Of course the kicker is that the Covid "vaccine" is not even a real vaccine.

Trump would have been solidly in the vaccine believers category for all his life before 2020. Even Elon Musk probably was. By now, a lot of people, including me, have seen how crooked the Covid situation was, and now we don't trust the other vaccines either. It takes time for this doubt to spread. The battle against vaccines won't truly be won until honest studies have shown the fraudulent nature of the vaccines and pharma companies, and they have been sued into bankruptcy. That battle will probably take 10-20 more years, with big pharma fighting back the whole way.

At least Trump has come around to support RFK Jr., and is supposedly going to put him in a position where he can really fight this fight.
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There was a video I saw of Trump, could have been earlier this year, it was his first major speech he did since what happened in 2020 when he announced his running for 2024 and he made it very clear that he was against anyone forcing vaccines and masks and that if anyone were to force masks or vaccines on people they would loss all state funding and he basically said it would be against the law, his eldest son is also very anti vaccines, lets see what happens. RFK seems to have so good points so far I like they guy, he lifts weights too
 
Tippy said:
Both Trump and Elon pushed and took the vaccines. So I don't think they are going to be our saviours somehow...
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Unfortunately, taking/not taking the vaxx juice doesn't always mean much in terms of people's political stance. Most unvaxxed in my area that I met were actually vegans, leftists, girls who believe in horoscope nonsense etc.

It was disappointing seeing the most pious girl I knew for 7 years fully fall for the hoax which eventually led to us not even talking to each other more, cause she was being passive aggressive and shaming me into getting it. But I had a no test / no jab policy.
 
GoodShepherd said:
There was a video I saw of Trump, could have been earlier this year, it was his first major speech he did since what happened in 2020 when he announced his running for 2024 and he made it very clear that he was against anyone forcing vaccines and masks and that if anyone were to force masks or vaccines on people they would loss all state funding and he basically said it would be against the law, his eldest son is also very anti vaccines, lets see what happens. RFK seems to have so good points so far I like they guy, he lifts weights too
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I remember than now, but I had forgotten it. I'm glad Trump has finally come around. For the longest time, he was still bragging about how he mobilized the pharma industry to remove red tape roadblock, and got the vaccine released in record time.

Hopefully he is solidly in the vaccine skeptic camp now.
 
Thomas More said:
I remember than now, but I had forgotten it. I'm glad Trump has finally come around. For the longest time, he was still bragging about how he mobilized the pharma industry to remove red tape roadblock, and got the vaccine released in record time.

Hopefully he is solidly in the vaccine skeptic camp now.
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Like many, Im assuming Trump believed in vaccines just like you did too before 2020, so when he was told a vaccine was needed for things to return to normal he did his thing and delivered it as fast as possible and obviously knowing Trump he wants credit for it, Im just assuming here but he might have actually thought he was a hero, but I also remember that he never ever once said its compulsory for everyone to take it he just delivered it.

I for instance have already been against all vaccines for many years not even my children have ever been vaccinated in any way so I was aware of it, but a lot of people are not aware of it, doesnt mean they belong to some cabal world government because they ignorant and I think the same applies to Trump, time will tell if Trump and Kenedy are the real deal lets wait and see.
 
GoodShepherd said:
Like many, Im assuming Trump believed in vaccines just like you did too before 2020,

It seems like Baron may have autism and maybe it was brought on by vaccine injury as a small child .

so when he was told a vaccine was needed for things to return to normal he did his thing and delivered it as fast as possible and obviously knowing Trump he wants credit for it, Im just assuming here but he might have actually thought he was a hero, but I also remember that he never ever once said its compulsory for everyone to take it he just delivered it.

I for instance have already been against all vaccines for many years not even my children have ever been vaccinated in any way so I was aware of it, but a lot of people are not aware of it, doesnt mean they belong to some cabal world government because they ignorant and I think the same applies to Trump, time will tell if Trump and Kenedy are the real deal lets wait and see.
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Yeah I hope rfk and Trump are for real
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GoodShepherd said:
Like many, Im assuming Trump believed in vaccines just like you did too before 2020, so when he was told a vaccine was needed for things to return to normal he did his thing and delivered it as fast as possible and obviously knowing Trump he wants credit for it, Im just assuming here but he might have actually thought he was a hero, but I also remember that he never ever once said its compulsory for everyone to take it he just delivered it.

I for instance have already been against all vaccines for many years not even my children have ever been vaccinated in any way so I was aware of it, but a lot of people are not aware of it, doesnt mean they belong to some cabal world government because they ignorant and I think the same applies to Trump, time will tell if Trump and Kenedy are the real deal lets wait and see.
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I've come across MANY people now that are questioning all childhood vaccines. A couple now have fully unvaxxed kids. Vaccine rates are down noticeably in my state. So we will see what happens. Im sure there will be a big pharma psyop around the return of certain childhood illnesses. Watch for it. It's coming.
 
SeekingTruth said:
I've come across MANY people now that are questioning all childhood vaccines. A couple now have fully unvaxxed kids. Vaccine rates are down noticeably in my state. So we will see what happens. Im sure there will be a big pharma psyop around the return of certain childhood illnesses. Watch for it. It's coming.
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I consider myself a consummate anti-vaxxer. I think we should outlaw all vaccines unless marketed as recreational or as religious sacraments. No joke.
 
Psiman said:
I consider myself a consummate anti-vaxxer. I think we should outlaw all vaccines unless marketed as recreational or as religious sacraments. No joke.
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I've never been a fan of the current medical paradigm, but with my first child, my wife and I hadn't been fully onboard the anti-vaccination stance (more so I was against than my wife). We vaccinated our eldest and he is on the lower end of the autism spectrum. My other three children we opted out of a lot of the vaccines (our pediatrician almost became enraged at me for resisting some scheduled shots with my youngest). Now my wife is fully against vaccination -- we are done with it. Our eldest is the most susceptible to allergies, food dyes, etc. I still have video of him as a baby having what we thought was a mild seizure (the pediatrician thought it was probably a dream) shortly after vaccination.

I think what sealed the deal for my wife was the extreme push for the Covid vaccine and the religious zealotry behind it all combined with all of the difficulties we've had with my eldest. So I completely understand the shift in perspective, we each come to our own realizations in time and experience.

If RFK gets in and is able to break the knees of big Pharma, that's a win. I wish we could seek some kind of legal recompense for all of the ups and downs we've had to go through with my son. More so for him and what he will have to overcome in his own life, personally and professionally. If it means big Pharma employees and execs have to live in the streets and beg for scraps to subsist, I'm all for it. The damage they've done to children in the name of shekels is absolutely disgraceful.
 
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