Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

Just spoke with a white guy, retired engineer of 37 years at NASA, sitting outside an election site with flyers for a Republican candidate who has a statement about supporting ICE and law enforcement at the end of his advertisement.

This man is passing them out for free in hopes of converting Democrats and thinks the line about ICE should be removed because "it inflames them."

I asked him what his candidate thinks about H1-B's and the guy didn't really know anything about them or Indians, but he did shush me when I said Indian because some voters were walking by.

Vote harder, young man. Vote harder!
Man those boomers... only a handful are redeemable.
 
Man those boomers... only a handful are redeemable.

I wouldn't have agreed with that in the past but the more I deal with them I'm finding it hard to argue with. I do know boomers who are good men, from what I have noticed the ones that grew up with hardship are the ones who are actually worth something. Unfortunately though many of them are just completely lost, I don't know what's worse the democrat liberal boomer thinking this is still the Bill Clinton era happily burying his head in the sand or the fake tough guy republican boomer who thinks saying he's "conservative" somehow makes him a special strong man.
 
I wouldn't have agreed with that in the past but the more I deal with them I'm finding it hard to argue with. I do know boomers who are good men, from what I have noticed the ones that grew up with hardship are the ones who are actually worth something. Unfortunately though many of them are just completely lost, I don't know what's worse the democrat liberal boomer thinking this is still the Bill Clinton era happily burying his head in the sand or the fake tough guy republican boomer who thinks saying he's "conservative" somehow makes him a special strong man.
Compare the West and the Soviet states and I think the post WW2 period proved that growing up spoiled is worse than deprived, within some limits.

That said, I also think the greatest thing about the past 300 years in the West is the improved treatment of children. If Boomers are the down side to that, it was worth it.
 
Given that Netanyahu has used Perpetual Warfare to stay out of prison and in power for as long as he has, I can't help but wonder if Trump is trying to take a page out of his playbook. He has made more than a few statements about a third term and you not having to vote anymore.
 
It's a factual thing. Depends on your frame of reference. Im fairly agnostic on it....but...I am certainly not going to say it's a bad thing.

They are our geopolitics adversaries and the dude is in our way of our agenda.

The outcome of whom the next government is will determine how good or bad this action was.

"Our agenda" when the geopolitical agenda is revolving around a country that's not yours.
 
"Our agenda" ok dude
I think you're misattributing my comment to my personal belief in this being something I endorse from philosophically righteous action versus a real politik factual statement.

I'm speaking as the proverbial "our" as an American Empire view.

Again you and I don't have to agree or like the foreign intervention (I actually don't like it) but my comments are framed from the viewpoint of being a member of the Empire ...
 
I think you're misattributing my comment to my personal belief in this being something I endorse from philosophically righteous action versus a real politik factual statement.

I'm speaking as the proverbial "our" as an American Empire view.

Again you and I don't have to agree or like the foreign intervention (I actually don't like it) but my comments are framed from the viewpoint of being a member of the Empire ...

That's why I edited my comment brother.

I just find it all a little sus to say the least after Venezuela and next up North Korea.
 
I think you're misattributing my comment to my personal belief in this being something I endorse from philosophically righteous action versus a real politik factual statement.

I'm speaking as the proverbial "our" as an American Empire view.

Again you and I don't have to agree or like the foreign intervention (I actually don't like it) but my comments are framed from the viewpoint of being a member of the Empire ...
This is not the US agenda this is Israel's agenda and its quite obvious. Iran has little to do with the United States and its ambitions and has everything to do with Israel's agenda. We have to remember that most if not 95% of the US government is a shill to Israel. A country that has been propped up so high by every single country that is not a Muslim nation. Its comical to think otherwise.

The United States citizens have been used for over 30 plus years to be the spear for Israel's ambitions.
 
This is not the US agenda this is Israel's agenda and its quite obvious. Iran has little to do with the United States and its ambitions and has everything to do with Israel's agenda. We have to remember that most if not 95% of the US government is a shill to Israel. A country that has been propped up so high by every single country that is not a Muslim nation. Its comical to think otherwise.

The United States citizens have been used for over 30 plus years to be the spear for Israel's ambitions.
I agree with you personally. But I also understand the reasons for why we are where we are.

The counter argument is .... if this continues our economic dominance and partnerships with other friendly countries around oil ... Is not an argument strongly made for this being a net "American Interest"? (KSA/UAE/etc) Geopolitically they are in the way of our current status quo and thus must be crushed.
 
At the end of the day its hard to see what benefit attacking Iran has for the US besides assisting Israel in its objectives to destroy the middle east Muslim countries for its own benefit. The US military is spread very thin via the pacific for China, the Ukraine debacle, and the Venezula/Cuba aggression. Our supplies are low missile wise due to Biden's aid and Trump's continued aid to Ukraine. The reality is, if we have to do a long, endurance style war vs Iran, we will be in a pinch and will look silly if we do not achive regime change in Iran. If the Supreme leader Ayatola is dead or not will not really change that. From what ive heard and read he assumed he would be killed very early in this conflict and picked others to lead. Do the Iranaian people rally to the next leaders cause? I think so. In January when the riots happened (CIA and Mossad initiated) they failed, and hundreds if not millions of Iranians rallied to their governments cause.

Let's also not forget the main reason the US media is peddling for this action is that they developing nuclear weapons, which their leader decreed a Fatwa that decreed Nuclear weapons a bad thing.
 
At the end of the day its hard to see what benefit attacking Iran has for the US besides assisting Israel in its objectives to destroy the middle east Muslim countries for its own benefit. The US military is spread very thin via the pacific for China, the Ukraine debacle, and the Venezula/Cuba aggression. Our supplies are low missile wise due to Biden's aid and Trump's continued aid to Ukraine. The reality is, if we have to do a long, endurance style war vs Iran, we will be in a pinch and will look silly if we do not achive regime change in Iran. If the Supreme leader Ayatola is dead or not will not really change that. From what ive heard and read he assumed he would be killed very early in this conflict and picked others to lead. Do the Iranaian people rally to the next leaders cause? I think so. In January when the riots happened (CIA and Mossad initiated) they failed, and hundreds if not millions of Iranians rallied to their governments cause.
You must achieve quick regime change with Iran
A protracted war is a defeat.

3-4 weeks or less.

Already significant impact with Komeini (spell check) dead
 
I agree with you personally. But I also understand the reasons for why we are where we are.

The counter argument is .... if this continues our economic dominance and partnerships with other friendly countries around oil ... Is not an argument strongly made for this being a net "American Interest"? (KSA/UAE/etc) Geopolitically they are in the way of our current status quo and thus must be crushed.
Its not, at the end of the day if we do not end this within 5-7 days we will look weak in the world. We have very little weaponry and ground forces are weak compared to 15 years ago let alone cold war days. My beloved Marine Corps is a shell of its former glory and will not win the day like it did in years before.

The US is weak military wise and it will show the world after this conflict is done.
 
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