Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

FrancisK said:
You just proved my point by calling a double in the factory a sweatshop, I cashed those checks from the plant when I was a kid at my families business in the late 90's. 16 hour days and 90 hour work weeks were common and one out of 100 became a supervisor if not less than that.

Regardless, the grasping at straws to hold on to your crutch is pretty sad.

Your personal claimed experiences mean nothing, less than nothing. You are a fake person you change who you are every other week to suit your current manipulation tactic, nothing you say about yourself personally has meaning anymore.
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Just another example of IIMT being completely out of touch with the sort of people he claims to be the main spokesperson and mentor for. You had brought up his claim of how a woman making 150k a year wouldn't be able to fix her junkee car. I'll also throw in his claim on how people can't raise kids today without being a millionaire despite multiple people in this very forum saying how they've managed to do so. A woman in the previous page of this thread gave a data sheet on how her family does it. Are all these people secret millionaires?
 
FrancisK said:
You just proved my point by calling a double in the factory a sweatshop, I cashed those checks from the plant when I was a kid at my families business in the late 90's. 16 hour days and 90 hour work weeks were common and one out of 100 became a supervisor if not less than that.

Regardless, the grasping at straws to hold on to your crutch is pretty sad.

Your personal claimed experiences mean nothing, less than nothing. You are a fake person you change who you are every other week to suit your current manipulation tactic, nothing you say about yourself personally has meaning anymore.
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So, this was your personal experience. This wasn't the experience of my parents, my parent's friends, my friend's parents, not my grandparents and their friends.

Trust me, having you call Americans lazy and spoiled is doing more for what I desire than most anything else I can think of. So please, keep going on.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
So, this was your personal experience. This wasn't the experience of my parents, my parent's friends, my friend's parents, not my grandparents and their friends.

Trust me, having you call Americans lazy and spoiled is doing more for what I desire than most anything else I can think of. So please, keep going on.
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Who the hell said the words "lazy and spoiled" other than you just now? You're the one trying to knock down Americans, I'm trying to lift them up.

More manipulative garbage from a fake person with an agenda.....
 
FrancisK said:
Who the hell said the words "lazy and spoiled" other than you just now? You're the one trying to knock down Americans, I'm trying to lift them up.

More manipulative garbage from a fake person with an agenda.....
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I would say telling Americans they don't deserve a middle-class life, unless they work 60 hours and hate their lives, is pretty much calling those who work 40 to 50 hours a week and struggling to get by "lazy and spoiled".
 
Cooper said:
One striking stat I looked at was the Married With Children narrative in 1990 Chicago, where Al Bundy was able to raise a family with a stay at home mother on a shoe salesman's salary. I worked the numbers and that scenario turned out to be realistic back then (median home price in 1990 Chicago $106k. and his salary aroud $25k).
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This was the usual premise in a vast number of movies and sitcoms from the 80s and early 90s.

A regular working class man supporting a family, owning a home and having two cars in the driveway.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
I would say telling Americans they don't deserve a middle-class life, unless they work 60 hours and hate their lives, is pretty much calling those who work 40 to 50 hours a week and struggling to get by "lazy and spoiled".
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Again never said that at all you're the one trying to put that in the world because it serves your manipulation, find better ways to discredit me to serve your underlying motives.
 
FrancisK said:
Again never said that at all you're the one trying to put that in the world because it serves your manipulation, find better ways to discredit me to serve your underlying motives.
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So, this thread has others who agree with what I said. That many young people are working 2 or 3 jobs, 40 to 50 hours a week, some even more, and are struggling to keep up. Most everyone I know under 40 is dealing with this very situation. Others agree.

Your response is that they just want to take the easy road. If working 2/3 jobs 40/50 hours a week is the easy road, then what do you consider the "right path"?
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
So, this thread has others who agree with what I said. That many young people are working 2 or 3 jobs, 40 to 50 hours a week, some even more, and are struggling to keep up. Most everyone I know under 40 is dealing with this very situation. Others agree.

Your response is that they just want to take the easy road. If working 2/3 jobs 40/50 hours a week is the easy road, then what do you consider the "right path"?
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Your claimed personal expieriences mean nothing, you have no credibility. Not too long ago you had no social life, no friends and did nothing but work....your own words.


My point is that there is nothing to be gained from romanticized the past and using it as an excuse. If something isn't working then you need to adapt and move forward. I have no idea what your message is other than to black pill.

I'm a success story, @Cooper says he's doing well and you like to call yourself the most successful man on this forum. That's 3 for 3 yet you're sitting here fighting to instill into everyone that there is no hope.

The underlying agendas around here are getting pretty shameful....
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
I would say telling Americans they don't deserve a middle-class life, unless they work 60 hours and hate their lives, is pretty much calling those who work 40 to 50 hours a week and struggling to get by "lazy and spoiled".
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Projection on your part. Just because the bolded part has been your own experience and was the choice you freely decided to make with your life, forgoing having a family or having friends (no Bob from the Applebee's bar that you see in your shift every other week at your very social job doesn't count) doesn't mean that it's the experience of other people. Your life is more typical of the worker bee Chinese guy rather than a typical American.

Since you like to psycho analyzing other people's motives, I'll say your "blockage" is due to you internally being angry that you had chosen to work 60 hours a week and 7 days a week for decades and now you want to infect other people with your regret over this decision and to somehow justify your own decision for being a worker bee by saying this is the only way you could have lived a middle class life. If you didn't have this cope, then it would have meant you wasted your life so now you need to convince other people this was the only way.

To reiterate FrancisK's reiteration on my original point, you are not equipped or qualified to evaluate what the average working American guy's life is like. If anything based on what you have said you sound more like the Midwest equivalent of the upper middle class Brooklyn hipster that loves to talk about being for the working class while not having any idea what their daily life is like, hence why you have no idea on things such as how much it costs to take a junker car repaired.
 
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FrancisK said:
Your claimed personal expieriences mean nothing, you have no credibility. Not too long ago you had no social life, no friends and did nothing but work....your own words.


My point is that there is nothing to be gained from romanticized the past and using it as an excuse. If something isn't working then you need to adapt and move forward. I have no idea what your message is other than to black pill.

I'm a success story, @Cooper says he's doing well and you like to call yourself the most successful man on this forum. That's 3 for 3 yet you're sitting here fighting to instill into everyone that there is no hope.

The underlying agendas around here are getting pretty shameful....
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LOL, there is a ton to be gained by being honest about the past. How much third world immigration has destroyed our quality of life is a big reason. Getting people off the couch for some satanic pedophiles 2,000 miles away, or because in a few generations their posterity will live hell, isn't going to happen. But getting them off the couch due to great struggle placed upon them and having someone to blame for it might just do it.

And I am not a boomer who thinks because I had it easy, it will always be easy. It is getting very tough for everyone under 40 and it will only get worse, which gives a great opportunity to wake people up.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
LOL, there is a ton to be gained by being honest about the past. How much third world immigration has destroyed our quality of life is a big reason. Getting people off the couch for some satanic pedophiles 2,000 miles away, or because in a few generations their posterity will live hell, isn't going to happen. But getting them off the couch due to great struggle placed upon them and having someone to blame for it might just do it.

And I am not a boomer who thinks because I had it easy, it will always be easy. It is getting very tough for everyone under 40 and it will only get worse, which gives a great opportunity to wake people up.
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Yup, just keep dumping all those buzzwords in there for effect buddy that's all you have to offer. At least you're honest that your only motive is to manipulate others into doing what you won't do, I'll give you that much.....just like those same boomers.
 
FrancisK said:
Yup, just keep dumping all those buzzwords in there for effect buddy that's all you have to offer. At least you're honest that your only motive is to manipulate others into doing what you won't do, I'll give you that much.....just like those same boomers.
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Like I said, having you tell young Americans they are lazy or try to rewrite their family's history is great for me. By all means. I was simply trying to warn you to not do this as it will not go over very well.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Like I said, having you tell young Americans they are lazy or try to rewrite their family's history is great for me. By all means. I was simply trying to warn you to not do this as it will not go over very well.
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Definitely don't need any warnings from you especially for things I didn't do, stop being so fake and desperately manipulative.
 
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