@Wutang Yes, it does seem like the best option for third positioners like myself and a few others here is to just disengage completely from these discussions. Any input from someone not chewing the coattails of the system is considered a doomer, a blackpiller, a fed, a moron, etc. However, we genuinely care that people do not get mixed up into these lies and therefore it is worth debating to show people that initiative must be taken from the ground up regardless of whether there are superficial political wins or not.
New Byzantium, a new iteration of the Holy Roman Empire (the original Reich), a new Christian Imperium, or even a secular Fascistic Coalition, are unlikely until the existing system it as such a weak point that it cannot suppress these by show of force. There are four major variables. Military equipment, number of guns, access to food and resources, and manpower. A fifth could be considered the synergistic blend of those four into a purpose under proper leadership, which only requires a few strong intelligent men.
The trick is speeding up the collapse while retaining manpower and a sense of identity in faith and race, so that the pendulum swinging back from their power over others can enable die-hard martyrs to make their moves to change things for good. A very needle-threading dance. It is difficult for conservatives to understand this mindset. They just see losers when they see people fighting and dying for anything other than money or self-interest. Liberals cannot understand it because they don't understand people who have an inherent love for their folk over "liberation of the mind and senses." My position only sees one thing important in the temporal: my own people and my actions that affect their wellbeing. At some point, the far-right and the far-left go so far off the spectrum that they eventually meet one another in a more natural state of overlapping ambitions minus the flaws of each, which is why the third position is so misunderstood by both establishment left-wing and right-wing believers.
@SeekingTruth Debate in this context is taking the previous Trump administration's intentions, actions, and connections and analyzing them with the likely output of existing actions, intentions, and connections in the new Trump administration. There is no answer from the present to the future until that future has become the past. It is in our natural inclinations as ontological beings imbued with our mind and will from God to question, and ascertain truth. Politics is messy. It is so easy to just say it's all a charade and go on living like none of it matters, which many people do. Trump clearly was the better choice for many reasons, but we will never know what the other choice would have done because he was chosen instead. We can only make predictions, not guarantees. Do you think it will be interesting to see what will happen compared to what has been said?
@Vas Incrementum I keep telling people they're watching a movie but they don't listen, they're just telling me to shush like we're in a theater and they don't realize that the sound of them chewing their popcorn as they imbibe in the theatric spectacle is louder than my commentary ever could be.
