Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

They're not after peace.

I know I get it and I'm with you, these are not good people and I'm not saying they want to support Trump for good reason but still I don't think any common person actually wants their sons and brothers to die for something. My point is that it isn't an indicator of something bad.
 
They are powerless citizens in the middle of a multiple front war paying for their leaders bad intentions with their lives and they think Trump will be better to bring peace while the other side of bumbling idiots if not evil idiots will just bring more conflict. Yes they're all evil Christ killers I know and I agree, but what you're digging at with this doesn't apply the way you're trying to apply it. You have to have some level of objectivity, even if it doesn't support your narrative otherwise you're no different from the other side.
Israeli's strongly support the war, they want blood, they want revenge, Netanyahu would be ousted by now if they didn't support the war.

And AIPAC is by far the most powerful lobby/political entity in the USA.
 
I know I get it and I'm with you, these are not good people and I'm not saying they want to support Trump for good reason but still I don't think any common person actually wants their sons and brothers to die for something. My point is that it isn't an indicator of something bad.

Most Israelis want their sons and daughters to kill as many Palestinians as they can get away with it. The few Israelis that oppose the genocide are put through hell, many jailed and tortured just for being against the war on Gaza.

 
Israeli's strongly support the war, they want blood, they want revenge, Netanyahu would be ousted by now if they didn't support the war.

And AIPAC is by far the most powerful lobby/political entity in the USA.

We all wanted blood after 9/11, how long did that last and how did that work out for us? Common citizen Christ killers supporting Trump isn't indicative of anything....
 
We all wanted blood after 9/11, how long did that last and how did that work out for us? Common citizen Christ killers supporting Trump isn't indicative of anything....
It wouldn't indicate anything; except they own and operate the most power political lobby in the USA.
 
We all wanted blood after 9/11, how long did that last and how did that work out for us? Common citizen Christ killers supporting Trump isn't indicative of anything....

They know how to push our buttons, that's why they did 9/11. They also knew that most Americans are too gullible and upright to believe that their government could be complicit in a mass terror act involving thousands of victims. Shock and awe.

On the subject of costumes and 9/11, here is what Israelis dress their kids on Purim, their version of Halloween:

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And to bring this back to the subject of this thread, Trump knew. He has built skyscrapers and knows how solid the twin towers were.
 
Is Trump really pro anything or just a money hungry narcissist who loves the attention?
Attention is his main thing. He was born with money and all that's left for a rich person after money is a level of attention that only fame can bring. Trump's 30's and 40's were all about increasing his public visibility and level of fame. Eventually he achieved his goal in his 70's and became the most famous person in the world by becoming President.

Much has been made about Trump being a hard worker and how he only sleeps 4 hours a day. But Trump doesn't work hard (which is why his first term was so chaotic because he's too lazy to read books on how governments operate), he just can't sleep because he's too hopped up on adrenaline. It's hard to sleep when you're making 20K an hour 24 hours a day and when you're going to be on TV tomorrow speaking to millions of people.

Trump was never a drinker or drug user and so he got his kicks by being on TV and conquering beautiful women that were out of his league. It are these addictions to attention and sex that led him to the doors of Epstein, his 3 wives, countless mistresses, and adult "entertainers" like Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels.

Trump is currently just in a self-created feedback loop. At 80 years old he has no idea who he is or what he stands for. He just wants to be on TV tomorrow listening to himself talk. As an old man he has mellowed and become "cute" in an "aw shucks" kind of way, but nonetheless he has never repented for his life of degeneracy and greed, much less accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour, and he therefore cannot be trusted to put the interests of others above himself.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks and once someone shows you who they are, believe them.
 
They know how to push our buttons, that's why they did 9/11. They also knew that most Americans are too gullible and upright to believe that their government could be complicit in a mass terror act involving thousands of victims. Shock and awe.

On the subject of costumes and 9/11, here is what Israelis dress their kids on Purim, their version of Halloween:

FqpIEWAXgAgcH2h


And to bring this back to the subject of this thread, Trump knew. He has built skyscrapers and knows how solid the twin towers were.


Are they supposed to be in prison? Like jews in jail?
 
Is Trump really pro anything or just a money hungry narcissist who loves the attention? Ultimate stooge it seems when most of the American people aren't much different.

* I'm not pro or against Trump it just seems like a charade to me.
I would very much second @PurpleUrkel 's comments on Trump as a person. I think it is spot on. Not Trump the President, not Trump the candidate, just Trump the man. @PurpleUrkel nailed it.

I remember first hearing about Trump back in the 1980's. Who was this man, the media talked about, that wasn't much older than my own parents and was so wealthy and famous. It really caught my attention. Then he had the bankruptcy hearings, and the Atlantic City fiasco, and he was all over the TV, Newspapers, nonstop. Remember, this is LONG before the internet and growing up in the country we on good days had three channels and many days only had one channel that would come in on the TV. So, when he was finally on TV, so I could see and hear this mysterious man, it was so disappointing. He just came off like a fraud, at least that was my opinion of him when I was a child. I could see through him, that he just bragged about himself, and his beautiful women, and his wealth. And my take away from it was, if that is what it takes to become very rich, I have no desire to be like that. As a child you have instincts, you may not know why, but you know if something is good or bad instinctually. And he just came off bad.

The more I saw of him, the less I thought of him over the years. And throughout the 1990's he became more of a fixture on TV and I just avoided it. It didn't consume me, I just had no desire to listen to him or watch him. Eventually, he got his own TV show, which I watched for one season and thought was pretty hokey. And he was a celebrity in the sense of a TV personality and not just a businessman. He came off like Mark Cuban, before Cuban went batshit crazy. Just a blowhard and someone that I would never aspire to be like. Life is about more than having nice things, it is about growth, sharing, learning, protecting, providing, and defending what is right. To me, Trump just seemed to be about having a lot of trinkets and bragging about it all. So pointless to me. If you have that much stuff, why not never work again and go champion a real cause and really motivate people to do more with their life, a true purpose. But that isn't who Donald Trump is. Donald Trump is defined by his trinkets and that is it.

When he ran for president and came down the escalator, my thought was "dude, this country is in terrible shape, people are hurting badly, we don't have time for your bull**** right now. Go away idiot". Then he gave his first interview with Katy Tur and he knocked it out of the park. To hell with it, he is better than anyone else running, and I got on the Trump train.

What I learned in all this is our instincts are VERY powerful. Listen to them. In a given situation they might save your life. In this situation, it just allowed me to no longer care about politics and see it for the fake show that it really is.
 
And this is where Trump/GOP Boomers "as long as they come legally" runs into trouble. Trump wins this election, but MAGA will be dead afterwards. Afterwards will be neo-liberalism from the Democrat party until either there is organized (feds!) resistance or China comes and takes the land.

 
And this is where Trump/GOP Boomers "as long as they come legally" runs into trouble. Trump wins this election, but MAGA will be dead afterwards. Afterwards will be neo-liberalism from the Democrat party until either there is organized (feds!) resistance or China comes and takes the land.


I'm in the "legal immigration is worse" camp, for sure. What can I say, I'm in IT and I've worked at too many major tech firms that we're just handing to Indians for free, since they have papers that prove that they too are Americans.
 
I'm in the "legal immigration is worse" camp, for sure. What can I say, I'm in IT and I've worked at too many major tech firms that we're just handing to Indians for free, since they have papers that prove that they too are Americans.
Yep, for the guys that work more blue-collar type work/or maybe in the office of a blue-collar industry, they don't see the major impact of legal immigration.

And the big tech guys who all supported Trump badly want legal immigration to drive down IT job wages. I work in IT as well, and the nightmare of legal immigration is far worse than many realize. They take over entire departments, chase off non-Indians, and then hire their own. Once they are fully in place, they then will strong-arm the company to their desires.

Or simply look at how many Indian CEO's of very evil and disgusting countries are in the west. They are more than happy to have layoffs, push degeneracy, and destroy our culture from the highest levels of power in exchange for a piece of the satanic pie.
 
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