Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

[Samseau]

That woman was deported for writing an op-ed critical of Israel in her college newspaper at Tufts. Furthermore, she was targeted and deported at the behest of a zionist group that compiles a blacklist of people who criticize Israel, ICE is effectively acting as this radical zionist group's private Stasi.



POLITICS MAR. 28, 2025

The Pro-Israel Group That Led to Rumeysa Ozturk’s ArrestCanary Mission has a history of putting activists on the Trump administration’s radar.​

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-canary-mission.html

While it is probably a 90% chance her arrest and deportation was indefensible, I would still like to see what her official charges are. She was given a terrorist's arrest, which is really unusual unless they are dangerous. If she really got so forcefully deported simply for an op-ed than that is a huge red flag, however, technically it is legal as she is an alien and not given any real rights.

 

[Aldebaran]

While it is probably a 90% chance her arrest and deportation was indefensible, I would still like to see what her official charges are. She was given a terrorist's arrest, which is really unusual unless they are dangerous. If she really got so forcefully deported simply for an op-ed than that is a huge red flag, however, technically it is legal as she is an alien and not given any real rights.

Are you saying that people who are residing or visiting the US legally don't have any legal rights? That is a pretty wild take. The same laws (and rights) apply to them as to any US citizen, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Are you saying that people who are residing or visiting the US legally don't have any legal rights? That is a pretty wild take. The same laws (and rights) apply to them as to any US citizen, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

They do some some rights. But not the same rights as a citizen.

That is fact.

No citizens don't have the right to vote for instance.

 

[Aldebaran]

No citizens don't have the right to vote for instance.

Yes. That's why I said "unless explicitly stated otherwise." Federal voting rights apply specifically to US citizens. Although non-citizens can vote in local elections some places.

But non-citizens certainly have the right to due process of law.

 

[Samseau]

Yes. That's why I said "unless explicitly stated otherwise." Federal voting rights apply specifically to US citizens. Although non-citizens can vote in local elections some places.

But non-citizens certainly have the right to due process of law.

They don't have free speech and due process doesn't apply to aliens under terrorism laws.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Yes. That's why I said "unless explicitly stated otherwise." Federal voting rights apply specifically to US citizens. Although non-citizens can vote in local elections some places.

But non-citizens certainly have the right to due process of law.

Sorry homie don't care.

Yes... Let's defend non citizens who are either liberal disruptors or criminals and treat them exactly like American citizens and Tax payers and tie up more government resources for people who are not citizens.

I certainly didn't spend tax dollars or my military service to extend rights to people who aren't Americans in my country.

Are you an American?

If so, why do you think it's correct for us to provide any safe harbor to any non American who causes any mischief...regardless of if you believe in the merits of their actions/cause/credo.

If you're not then your point is fairly irrelevant.

 

[Aldebaran]

OK, I understand that it's easy to ignore civil rights violations when it comes to foreign nationals. But you can bet on that they are coming for US citizens that critizise Israel next.

 

[magoo]

Habeas corpus is valid for any person. Citizen or alien.
Only congress can suspend habeas corpus.

Patriot act expired under Trump first term. But even terrorists could apply to habeas corpus. Roberts said otherwise but lost at the time.

Peasants had to rebel and die to get habeas corpus and now people are giving it away for nothing.

Aliens cant vote in any election. They are not stakeholders. Why not tourists? I travel to US and vote. Looll. Which imbecile can defend this without being bribed.

Theres a graduation of values. Not all values are the same.

Nature law is very limited. And is above any other law. Theres even constitutional law which can be inconstitucional if hold up to natural law. Otto Bachof wrote a book about this.

Secure the borders instead of using aliens as an excuse to undermine citizens rights.

Lets see if anti semitics are one day deprived of habeas corpus and labelled terrorists.

Historically conservative have always been against intrusions from the government into private life. If you know people who lived under Franco they will say the government didnt care about private lives. Only if you talked about politics. Its communists who think governments should intrude

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

OK, I understand that it's easy to ignore civil rights violations when it comes to foreign nationals. But you can bet on that they are coming for US citizens that critizise Israel next.

They already have, and the guy who signed the bill was pushed by Trump and just won a seat a few days ago...



And remember, this bill was signed in Israel. Ron DeSantis and Randy Fine traveled to Israel to sign this bill into law.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

They already have, and the guy who signed the bill was pushed by Trump and just won a seat a few days ago...



And remember, this bill was signed in Israel. Ron DeSantis and Randy Fine traveled to Israel to sign this bill into law.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[Wutang]

UPDATE: FAKE NEWS... FBI Director Kash Patel DID NOT Name Domestic Terrorism Section Chief Steven Jensen to Run Washington FBI Field Office | The Gateway Pundit | by Brian Lupo

In a surprising appointment, FBI Director Kash Patel has named Steven Jensen to head the Washington Field Office, raising questions about his controversial history with the January 6th Capitol attack.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

UPDATE: Steven Jensen WAS NOT selected to lead the Washington Field Office.

The Gateway Pundit confirmed this morning that, according to a very dependable source, this earlier report on Steven Jensen is “fake news.”

NY Times Caught Again Spreading Fake News: TGP Confirms Jan. 6 Activist Agent Was NOT Appointed Washington Field Office Assistant Director....Questions Remain | The Gateway Pundit | by Assistant Editor

A recent New York Times report claimed Steven Jensen was appointed as the Assistant Director of the Washington Field Office, stirring controversy. This blog post critiques the accuracy of that assertion and delves into the implications.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Now, a high-ranking official within the FBI has confirmed to The Gateway Pundit that this report on Jensen is, “Fake News.”

Steven Jensen was not appointed to lead the Washington Field Office.

The Gateway Pundit cited the New York Times in an article Friday, while acknowledging there was no formal announcement on the FBI website, the Washington Field Office’s website, or social media, nor Director Kash Patel’s social media and calling the move “head-scratching.”

The appointment went against everything that both Director Kash Patel and Assistant Director Dan Bongino have represented since the protest at the US Capitol, and against the “Deep State” as a whole.

It turns out, as we have confirmed, this report was not true.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I used to watch these guys back in 2012 for their weightlifting content. Funny how they are now some of the most straight shooting pundits out there.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I hear a lot of talk and comments online about Trump being deepstate and a puppet etc, but then I watch old videos like this and has he really changed much?

I also notice that new world order people and globalists all support climate change, immigration, homosexuality, the education department, anti gun anti free speech etc yet Trump doesnt hold these globalist views which is a huge contradiction for those who make that claim.

 

[budoslavic]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/14/nikola-nkla-founder-trevor-milton-found-guilty-of-fraud-.html

I stopped reading the article to this part:

...Damien Williams, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

USDNY is known for their lawfare tactics. And the AG - Williams - is a DEI hire to go after white people because of "White Supremacists".

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I hear a lot of talk and comments online about Trump being deepstate and a puppet etc, but then I watch old videos like this and has he really changed much?

I also notice that new world order people and globalists all support climate change, immigration, homosexuality, the education department, anti gun anti free speech etc yet Trump doesnt hold these globalist views which is a huge contradiction for those who make that claim.

Trump said he wants record numbers of people to come to the USA, and he is very big LGBTQ. The big split among globalists is Israel. Should Israel be #1 and the center of the NWO, or should Israel go away and just run the NWO from behind the curtain. Trump is on the side that wants Israel to be #1.

Warning, cursing in video...

 

[GoodShepherd]

Trump said he wants record numbers of people to come to the USA, and he is very big LGBTQ. The big split among globalists is Israel. Should Israel be #1 and the center of the NWO, or should Israel go away and just run the NWO from behind the curtain. Trump is on the side that wants Israel to be #1.

Warning, cursing in video...

Im outside America and we on the outside have received the message that Trump doesnt want any immigrants, if he does want immigrants he is communicating the opposite, sharing videos on people in chains being deported back home is saying "we dont want immigrants"

If Trump is pro transgender he is also dong a very bad job promoting it because he banned them from military and sports and has spoken out against it and clearly said its only male and female. the LGBTQ people are not celebrating they are crying.

The Israel thing, Iv been thinking about it, do you just flip a switch and its gone or does it have to be a gradual thing? Its always been there even before Trump, I see America is stopping funding to the entire world, thats an upgrade, thats good for America, yes they still funding Israel but stopped funding a bunch of other countries, thats a least a step in the right direction in my view.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Im outside America and we on the outside have received the message that Trump doesnt want any immigrants, if he does want immigrants he is communicating the opposite, sharing videos on people in chains being deported back home is saying "we dont want immigrants"

If Trump is pro transgender he is also dong a very bad job promoting it because he banned them from military and sports and has spoken out against it and clearly said its only male and female. the LGBTQ people are not celebrating they are crying.

The Israel thing, Iv been thinking about it, do you just flip a switch and its gone or does it have to be a gradual thing? Its always been there even before Trump, I see America is stopping funding to the entire world, thats an upgrade, thats good for America, yes they still funding Israel but stopped funding a bunch of other countries, thats a least a step in the right direction in my view.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

It better be all White South Africans.

 

[GoodShepherd]

So far the only people he has invited to come in is white South Africans, I heard Japan has also started inviting people to come in to help with the terribly low birth rates, guess which country they invited, Brazil, might sound odd until you find out Brazil has the largest Japanese community outside of Japan so they inviting Japanese people back.