I just saw someone ask him a similar question during that recent presser with oil execs. Trump basically answered: "When you own it you defend it. You don't defend leases in the same way"
Donald Trump and US expansionism in North America
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I just saw someone ask him a similar question during that recent presser with oil execs. Trump basically answered: "When you own it you defend it. You don't defend leases in the same way"
It is for glory in part. Trump will Make America Great Again by adding Greenland to our territory. The US will be much bigger in land area. We will have access to the resources people think can be found there. Some say those resources are not economical to access, but who knows with increasing technology? A big part of it is for National Security concerns, to be able to stake a strong claim to the Arctic from both Alaska and Greenland. We already have a big base there in the north, so owning Greenland will ensure we can stay there and expand as much as we want.
They apparently have a fair amount of fish and shrimp in Greenland
As well as graphite, copper, nickel, zinc, gold, uranium, and iron ore, plus significant potential for oil and gas,
As well as graphite, copper, nickel, zinc, gold, uranium, and iron ore, plus significant potential for oil and gas,
Came for the mining, stayed for the fire seafood.
Greenland's value is its strategic location. Everything else is nice and a bonus yet not what this is about. Mining is expensive in Greenland's conditions and those raw& rare earth's can be find elsewhere in similar or bigger quantities - refining of rare earths happens in China anyway and that isn't changing until refining capacities get reshored in 12-24 months. Likewise the Northern Sea Route is all talk and very little bite, there just isn't going to be Suez tier traffic north of Russia, same goes for fishing rights, etc.
Greenland's value is it's strategic location. There's been a lot of Chinese and especially Russian military activity in the Arctic recently and Greenland sits near the GIUK corridor yet the Danes nor the current agreements leave much room to mirror these developments. Especially Russian nuclear submarines based out of Murmansk are a concern. Greenland also sits right on the trajectory of any Russian missile launch aimed at the US, ergo the US' northern sector sits relatively unprotected and this imbalance is bound to increase as Russian and Chinese activity in the Arctic is increasing.
Trump is genuine when he says Greenland's a matter of national security. Booting Russia and China out of Latin America+ the Middle East whilst maintaining the status quo in Europe and the Indo-Pacific wouldn't make much sense if DC would simply cede the Arctic and lose deterrent. Through acquiring Greenland the US can counterbalance and contest looming Russian dominance in the Arctic theater much better
This is debatable. Viking settlement in Greenland, even after the Viking era had ended, lasted for close to 500 years. These were small self sufficient Norse colonies which engaged in farming, hunting and fishing and even then they managed to last for nearly 5 centuries. Despite the distance they kept trade lines to Scandinavia, the British Isles and Iceland open.
The demise of the Greenlandic Norse colonies coincides with the advent of a new aggressive tribe/people from modern Canadian mainland. These were the proto Inuit/ Thule and in the centuries up until reaching Greenland they successfully replaced all other Eskimo peoples. In Norse literature they are called skraelingjar, it is likely that the Thule/skraelingjar eventually overran and massacred the Norse settlements in Greenland.
While this obviously isn't the plan, it would be beautiful is Trump's plan were to send send all of the refugees to Greenland and create living spaces for them there. In this scenario European and US taxpayers would still have to carry the same financial burden. However, the refugees wouldn't be living among us. The inhabitable parts of Greenland could house about 5 billion people.
I say this in light of another wave of roughly 20 million islamist "refugees" that will be eager to leave Iran after a regime change there.
I say this in light of another wave of roughly 20 million islamist "refugees" that will be eager to leave Iran after a regime change there.
Pretty informative video on why the Greenland thing is happening.
Chinese have been trying to backdoor their way in there. I didn't realize the Chinese nearly built three International airports in Greenland a few years ago. Denmark nearly folded to let the deal go through because they are so weak. The US stopped it, but just barely.
Chinese have been trying to backdoor their way in there. I didn't realize the Chinese nearly built three International airports in Greenland a few years ago. Denmark nearly folded to let the deal go through because they are so weak. The US stopped it, but just barely.
Cold War? Basket case? When did I ever say that?
I was replying to your thought that other countries would act like imperial US because Trump did, taking what they want, imprisoning people, etc...
Then you're talking about how they won't do that, they'll run out the clock....
You're all over the place.
And if you're right, and Trump is in there to accelerate the demise, why wouldn't they put heels up Harris with her word salads and communistic agenda to continue Biden's (autopens) mass immigration?
Trump has reduced immigration to nearly nothing and removed them with ICE (de-browning of the population) and strengthened the US military by kicking out trannies and recruitment levels met early (instead of being missed under Biden).
All over the place. Slow down
I have read that there was a period of global warmth in the early centuries of Norse settlement there, that made conditions better than they are now. Conditions for farming got harder in later centuries. Archeological digs have shown that early settlers had more grain and livestock in their diets, and later settlers depended on fish as a larger and larger part of their diet. The Norse settlements died out in the 1400s, at a time when Europe was advancing in many ways. All things being equal, it should have been easier to survive in the 1400s than in the 900s. The climate seems to have made the difference. Iceland was able to hold out through this period, but Greenland was just not as sustainable.
Ive been to iceland. Shithole. One street laugavegur. Cant imagine greenland. Girls were ok. Nothing compared to Norway which has the most beautiful Scandinavian babes.
Trump should just make a 100 years lease and takeover the place like they had acquire it. In 25-50 years buy it. Something similar to adverse possession.
Second option:
Maybe a 10 year lease. With the money they would pay denmark to buy it and pay it in 10 years. And in the end just make adverse possession of it. Slowly and gradualy. Until it just becomes american.
For a guy connected to real estate he is truly an incompetent retard. Or whoever is advising him.
Denmark cant hold the place against US. Its just a useless conflict. But Ukraine started like this. And its been how many years of retardness.
It’s not about it the country is small or big but the alliances.
As it is already facebook groups against america. We are back to the freedom fries?
I want to go to Disneyland with my kids.
Trump doesn’t understand if the common people who delivers the mail etc are against an occupation. They will sabotage. And it becomes an incredible pain to manage. That’s why maduro should be also in an international court.
He is just making things easier not harder for China. Maybe it’s the goal in the end. U.S. is autosanctioning itself.
Trump his running the equivalent of a public company not a private company.
This guy is worse than Bush.
EU finds ‘leverage’ against US in Greenland
Liberal Renew Europe European Parliament group leader Valérie Hayer says the European Union could use US debt as a weapon to stop Washington annexing Greenland.
Hayer noted that Europe holds $1.5 trillion in US assets and controls access to a market of 450 million consumers.
We haven’t used it yet, but we can. And we shouldn’t be afraid to,” she said in an interview published on X.
Hayer even warned that NATO could “cease to exist” if Trump moved to seize Greenland.
After years of subservience, Brussels is now talking tough — but would it dare to act?
Trump should just make a 100 years lease and takeover the place like they had acquire it. In 25-50 years buy it. Something similar to adverse possession.
Second option:
Maybe a 10 year lease. With the money they would pay denmark to buy it and pay it in 10 years. And in the end just make adverse possession of it. Slowly and gradualy. Until it just becomes american.
For a guy connected to real estate he is truly an incompetent retard. Or whoever is advising him.
Denmark cant hold the place against US. Its just a useless conflict. But Ukraine started like this. And its been how many years of retardness.
It’s not about it the country is small or big but the alliances.
As it is already facebook groups against america. We are back to the freedom fries?
I want to go to Disneyland with my kids.
Trump doesn’t understand if the common people who delivers the mail etc are against an occupation. They will sabotage. And it becomes an incredible pain to manage. That’s why maduro should be also in an international court.
He is just making things easier not harder for China. Maybe it’s the goal in the end. U.S. is autosanctioning itself.
Trump his running the equivalent of a public company not a private company.
This guy is worse than Bush.
EU finds ‘leverage’ against US in Greenland
Liberal Renew Europe European Parliament group leader Valérie Hayer says the European Union could use US debt as a weapon to stop Washington annexing Greenland.
Hayer noted that Europe holds $1.5 trillion in US assets and controls access to a market of 450 million consumers.
We haven’t used it yet, but we can. And we shouldn’t be afraid to,” she said in an interview published on X.
Hayer even warned that NATO could “cease to exist” if Trump moved to seize Greenland.
After years of subservience, Brussels is now talking tough — but would it dare to act?
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As a European, that's what I'm most concerned about. It will work out just as brilliantly as the sanctions on Russia. Meaning that ot will lead to another wave of layoffs, brain drain and widespread economic stagnation in western Europe.
On the other hand, it would accelerate the dismantling of the EU.
All I was doing is just saying that the idea “they can’t” is a fallacy.Cold War? Basket case? When did I ever say that?
I was replying to your thought that other countries would act like imperial US because Trump did, taking what they want, imprisoning people, etc...
Then you're talking about how they won't do that, they'll run out the clock....
You're all over the place.
And if you're right, and Trump is in there to accelerate the demise, why wouldn't they put heels up Harris with her word salads and communistic agenda to continue Biden's (autopens) mass immigration?
Trump has reduced immigration to nearly nothing and removed them with ICE (de-browning of the population) and strengthened the US military by kicking out trannies and recruitment levels met early (instead of being missed under Biden).
All over the place. Slow down
They can if they want to. But you need to put yourself in their shoes. Would you rather behave like a loose cannon and risk men and treasure. Or wait for the US to do itself in with DEI and commie white women?
Sun Tzu said the real object of war is to try to win without ever firing a shot.
There's actually a report by the US department of defense that analyses "racism" in China or rather the actual impact of their preference for lighter skin complexion.
In that report they state that China doesn't consider engaging direct conflict with the US, given the assumption that political tensions and social incohesion will lead to the US inevitable demise.
While I don't think that's out of the question, similar to western Europe becoming one large Islamic state, there are no guarantees and it can still be avoided.
Have you talked to people on the street and offline? The masses are screaming for a gay Soviet Union. The only way to avoid it is a. Some sort of great awakening that reverses the great awokening. Or b. essentially bringing down the hammer and having a military dictatorship and liquidating blm, activist judges, expelling the Jews, and restricting the franchise to those who can prove their ancestors were here for several generations. Western Europe having its first Islamic majority nation is way more likely than that.
Second the Chinese skin and tone thing. The preference for lighter skin is kind of like obesity in America rather than anger over what a group did to another group or vice versa. For me, large bodies come off as prole-ish. Every time I speak with a woman, or even man who can understand my words, has a respectable job and makes money, they’re thin. Large bodies are for the trailer park. Same thing in China. Light skin means you’re indoors a lot and have the money and job. Dark skin means you’re a neck.
Here's a look into China's past airport endeavor in Greenland.
Kind of fun to read because it was published by a geography professor at Hong Kong University in 2018:
From the article:
...and then this. I thought this was really funny:
Haaah. Of course. Always hedging their bets.
And then this is an interesting tidbit. France and Germany's airports already partially owed by China!!? Even Heathrow!?
And looks like China has made inroads into Iceland:
www.arctictoday.com
Kind of fun to read because it was published by a geography professor at Hong Kong University in 2018:
From the article:
...and then this. I thought this was really funny:
Haaah. Of course. Always hedging their bets.
And then this is an interesting tidbit. France and Germany's airports already partially owed by China!!? Even Heathrow!?
And looks like China has made inroads into Iceland:
The controversy over Greenland airports shows China isn't fully welcome in the Arctic — yet - ArcticToday
Earlier this week, it was announced that in exchange for 700 million Danish kroner ($109 million), Greenland would allow Denmark a 33 percent stake in Kalaallit Airports, the state-owned company formed to renovate, own, and operate airports in three locations: the capital of Nuuk, the...
www.arctictoday.com
Idk if they can cut ties with the US