I've gotten the impression from reading Vox Day that the US, or at least some of the power brokers, recognize our sunsetting empire and decided it'd be easier to control our own hemisphere, which contains resources in Venezuela and Greenland, to survive against the inevitable domination of the Eastern hemisphere. Will it work? Can we sustain without the product of White Americans? Probably not, and it seems like desperation, or the powers that be using Trump as the ultimate scapegoat to bring in every backup thing they want to extend their power as much as possible.
Donald Trump and US expansionism in North America
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To be honest, an American Empire including Greenland, Canada, Mexico, Central America, Cuba, Venezuela, and Colombia would be pretty strong. Incredible resources, huge population including peon workers for cheap factories, as well as world class knowledge knowledge industries. If the Eurasian landmass becomes a unified economic alliance, then having much of the New World locked up would be a solid answer as the US response.
We ought to take the Philippines back for good measure.
It would be excellent, but only if the Republicans stay in power for the foreseeable future, similar to how Russia works with an ethnically diverse, but still conservative population.
DEI stuff would absolutely wreck the country under democratic rule, given that they could somehow legally import millions of people monthly.
Agreed. Some kind of restoration of law and order and pro-family policies would be essential. These could and should be done regardless of taking any new territory, and it will be useless to take new territory if we're just swirling down the toilet of late stage decadent collapse.
It's all just hypothetical projection anyway. Fun to think about but about 99.8% unlikely. I think the Greenland thing is as much as 50% likely, but any other territory is very low probability.
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I mean, if they thought they could back it up militarily they would already have said exactly this. They're not letting us pen them in out of a sense of respect for a democratic world order.
This is Realpolitik 101. This has been been happening for centuries/milleniums.
They (China, Russia, etc) don't need the US example to follow. There are hundreds of regional/world Powers in the past (including each country's own past) to follow. This isn't new.
There are no morals in foreign policy. Only interests.
"The strong take what they can. The weak accept as they must."
Maybe US foreign policy innocence existed in the past (pre Civil War? pre Monroe Doctrine?), but that is long gone. There are still examples of the US (and other countries) in the 19th century, though, following Realpolitik.
The concept of American innocence is flawed. Even moreso if you think other countries try and emulate it, but then decide, "well ole Trumpy is just NOW taking things, protecting his interests, so we best be at it as well." They were thinking this before Trump.
The real question is why didn't they do it before?
Because they couldn't.
"The strong take what they can. The weak accept as they must."
One argument I saw this morning is that Denmark is already unable to defend Greenland. The US has done it since WW2, 85 years already. You can't hold what you can't defend, and Denmark hasn't been able to defend Greenland for a long, long time.
I've menitoned before that I lurk in a lot of leftist and normie spaces. I generally read sources from all sides.
I've been doing that about Greenland over the weekend and I've been surprised at how many people are assuming that the US will be going to war with Europe and possibly the UK and Canada over Greenland. Lots of talk from the Europeans about banding together to stop a US takeover of Greenland. A surprising amount of talk from what appear to be everyday Americans that amounts to "we're taking Greenland, you can't do anything about it."
I'm interested to hear what you guys think. So far, as far as I can tell, there's been no more than the typical strongly worded statements from Europe and the UK. As for the Americans, do you think any of us are really willing to kill people over Greenland? I get it, Brits and Europeans can be annoying when they go on about their superior educations and awesome free health care and such, but I don't want to murder them over it. Or Greenland. But maybe some of us do, and maybe Europe will actually fight back if it comes to it.
It all feels surreal. Anyway, I'm interested in your thoughts, wherever you're from.
I've been doing that about Greenland over the weekend and I've been surprised at how many people are assuming that the US will be going to war with Europe and possibly the UK and Canada over Greenland. Lots of talk from the Europeans about banding together to stop a US takeover of Greenland. A surprising amount of talk from what appear to be everyday Americans that amounts to "we're taking Greenland, you can't do anything about it."
I'm interested to hear what you guys think. So far, as far as I can tell, there's been no more than the typical strongly worded statements from Europe and the UK. As for the Americans, do you think any of us are really willing to kill people over Greenland? I get it, Brits and Europeans can be annoying when they go on about their superior educations and awesome free health care and such, but I don't want to murder them over it. Or Greenland. But maybe some of us do, and maybe Europe will actually fight back if it comes to it.
It all feels surreal. Anyway, I'm interested in your thoughts, wherever you're from.
Geo political discussions still happen from the position of common sense minded people being in charge. When we need to put ourselves in the shoes of psychopathic satanist juice and their ladder climbing or blackmailed goy servants. Why do they do this ? what are they thinking ?. they are doing it because THEY CAN. Plundering everything and anything and leaving no stone unturned like anyone consumed by greed, power, ego and sin, more more more. And if they have to burn down ancient forests or whole ethnicities and civilizations they wont hesitate maybe even getting some perverse pleasure out of it. We are screwed, this world is run by evil, the vast majority are willingly going along, pray to god for divine intervention, repent, change our heart because even a single soul fortifies gods presence on this earth and might sway things. that is all.
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I saw that Serbs are happy about it, given that Denmark was the first country to recognise Kosovo. Thus, Serbs would love to see that karma come full circle.
My impression isn't that people are expecting a war, but rather a bunch of US interventions and changes. If enough of them happen on a large enough scale (Venezuela, Greenland, Cuba, Iran), that could offer a big enough distraction for the Ukraine war to just quietly end.
In essence that's how the pandemic ended too. Russia marched into Ukraine and the pandemic was simply no longer discussed, restrictions were lifted, no questions asked.
If an actual war were to happen, I don't see a scenario where Europe doesn't lose and simply get partitioned between USA, Russia, China, North Korea (Kim Jung Un gets some parts of Scandinavia).
My impression isn't that people are expecting a war, but rather a bunch of US interventions and changes. If enough of them happen on a large enough scale (Venezuela, Greenland, Cuba, Iran), that could offer a big enough distraction for the Ukraine war to just quietly end.
In essence that's how the pandemic ended too. Russia marched into Ukraine and the pandemic was simply no longer discussed, restrictions were lifted, no questions asked.
If an actual war were to happen, I don't see a scenario where Europe doesn't lose and simply get partitioned between USA, Russia, China, North Korea (Kim Jung Un gets some parts of Scandinavia).
It’s not 1995 anymore. There seems to be this belief that the Cold War is over, Russia and China are economic basket cases with starving people. Dubai, Doha, and Abu Dhabi are fishing towns on a lake of oil and Europe is a theme park. That was 30 years ago. Oh and during those 30 years white men got the shaft, and these white men? they’re the engines of the empire. We’re kind of weak now. I think your confusing lack of ability with WWIII avoidance.
China and Russia. The Eastern hemisphere actually has a goal - run out the clock. They know America is weakening itself for ideological reasons, so if they can dodge WWIII they can make their move when the US is a poorer, dumber, browner nation. All I know is when that happens - the US will no longer have a leg to stand on.
I think someone in the halls of power agrees with me and that’s why Trumps in. They want to rally the empire’s little engines. I’m not falling for it.
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Problem is Denmarks NATO. Because of NATO we can’t be like “you can’t defend it, ours now.” We’re allowed to park troops and hardware there all we want, and we did in the past. In fact, we could probably buy mineral rights if we wanted to. I feel like I’m missing part of the picture. It almost feels like expansion for expansion’s sake.
Thanks for doing that (lurking on lefty spaces). I often wonder what they are thinking. My only window to lefties are center-left lefties I work with. I haven't heard of anyone willing to kill people over Greenland. I assume if anything happens it will be just be bought, with political pressure.
Come on lads, the UK and Europe are not going to war over Greenland. We are all vassal states of the US who mostly hate each other because we spent hundreds of years killing each other. We do not have the force projection to hold diddly squat, especially against the US for goodness sake, it's like going to war with your sugar daddy who gives you the stuff in the first place - it cannot happen . Our 'leaders' are just women and blue pilled beta cucks just trying to save face to avoid looking like the little bitches they are.
Trump's not going to invade, the faggy EU soyboys are just trying to drive up the price so they can spend it on degenerate bullshit.
Trump's not going to invade, the faggy EU soyboys are just trying to drive up the price so they can spend it on degenerate bullshit.
Congressman Fine Introduces Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act to Strengthen U.S. National Security and Put Our Adversaries on Notice
Today, Congressman Fine (FL-06) introduced the Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act, landmark legislation focused on securing America’s strategic national security interests in the Arctic and countering the growing threats posed by China and Russia.
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Congressman Fine Introduces Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act to Strengthen U.S. National Security and Put Our Adversaries on Notice
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I’m not dying for Greenland. I think there’s a secret angle on this we don’t know about. There’s something under all that ice.
Let’s look at the excuses:
National defense!
Denmark is a NATO ally and we are allowed to park stuff up there. We did it before in the Cold War.
Oil and Rare Earth
We could simply buy the mineral rights. That would be cheaper than administering inaccessible backwater.
There’s something we aren’t being told OR, maybe China or Russia is planning on buying said mineral rights and we need to stop them? But that’s ridiculous because Europe harps on the Ukraine thing harder than us. They’d never sell Greenlands mineral rights to them.
I think all this is just posturing and jockeying for position. The US is not going to start a shooting war with England, France, Germany, or Denmark. Ultimately, Denmark will make a deal, but they have to act like they'll choose death over losing Greenland, and we have to find some way to let them save face, tiny little mouse that they are.
But what’s the Trump angle for doing this? We can get the oil and rare earth by buying mineral rights and letting Greenlanders have royalties.
We already have security powers, what else? I feel like this can’t be Greenland for Greenland’s sake.
We have had multiple wars with the uk, including the war of 1812 in the revolutionary war. In fact, British troops burned down the White House.
Lately, we’ve been allies with the UK but that could change
I’m pretty sure it has to be to mine whatever minerals or resources are underneath the ice in Greenland