Charlie Kirk Thread

I've been seeing some clips of the memorial service. I saw Erika walk out with fireworks going off all around her and couldn't watch it anymore.

I used this word before when I was commenting on the Vatican drone show where they did giant reconstructions of things like the Pieta that loomed over St Peter's Dome....

It's profane.

I read what Erika said about forgiving our enemies in her speech and I like that part but the shear spectacle and production of it all is very difficult to watch. More and more I think sacredness is simply not compatible with the world we are moving further into.
 
Northumber said:
I've been seeing some clips of the memorial service. I saw Erika walk out with fireworks going off all around her and couldn't watch it anymore.

I used this word before when I was commenting on the Vatican drone show where they did giant reconstructions of things like the Pieta that loomed over St Peter's Dome....

It's profane.

I read what Erika said about forgiving our enemies in her speech and I like that part but the shear spectacle and production of it all is very difficult to watch. More and more I think sacredness is simply not compatible with the world we are moving further into.
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There was a tweet from TPUSA that addressed this criticism. They stated that Charlie loved the stage fireworks and they wanted to put that in the memorial as a way to honor him.

 
Do not denigrate Protestants by claiming they are not Christians.
Northumber said:
I've been seeing some clips of the memorial service. I saw Erika walk out with fireworks going off all around her and couldn't watch it anymore.

I used this word before when I was commenting on the Vatican drone show where they did giant reconstructions of things like the Pieta that loomed over St Peter's Dome....

It's profane.

I read what Erika said about forgiving our enemies in her speech and I like that part but the shear spectacle and production of it all is very difficult to watch. More and more I think sacredness is simply not compatible with the world we are moving further into.
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Protestant virtue signaling. Mega-church levels of cringe. A true Christian (aka not a Protestant) would mourn her husband in humility away from publicity.
 
The personal critiques of Erika Kirk (Charlie's wife) and the memorial service (which was put on by TPUSA organizers) are in poor taste. Charlie's wife and the people within the organization he founded obviously knew the man better than anyone here. They are in a much better position than we are to know what sort of memorial service Charlie would have wanted. But given the way he lived his life (very public, very political and very unapologetically Christian), I think he would have appreciated the service they put on to memorialize him.

The attacks on Protestantism are uncalled for and totally off-topic. Keep that sort of interdenominational criticism where it belongs, in the General Christianity forum.
 
scorpion said:
The personal critiques of Erika Kirk (Charlie's wife) and the memorial service (which was put on by TPUSA organizers) are in poor taste. Charlie's wife and the people within the organization he founded obviously knew the man better than anyone here. They are in a much better position than we are to know what sort of memorial service Charlie would have wanted. But given the way he lived his life (very public, very political and very unapologetically Christian), I think he would have appreciated the service they put on to memorialize him.

The attacks on Protestantism are uncalled for and totally off-topic. Keep that sort of interdenominational criticism where it belongs, in the General Christianity forum.
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I think this is a good approach. Having come out of protestantism, I know that some will do a celebration of life event and then a private funeral for the family. I would guess that this is the public ceremony and the private one will be kept to family only to allow them to approach the situation more on private terms. As much as I have my reasons for coming out of protestantism, I can still see that good can come out of it and from those within it. If Charlie inspires more to become Orthodox, that's a win. He did give Father John Strickland time on his show, and that is an episode that many more may discover in the future as they learn about Christianity.
 
I'm not sure I'm understanding the use of the word "forgiveness" in this context. Why would we punish someone who has been forgiven? What is he being forgiven for? Are you supposed to forgive only the killer or all the leftists that want you dead? Does this mean Trump is going avenge Kirk because he hasn't forgiven?
 
TheLoneReader said:
There was a tweet from TPUSA that addressed this criticism. They stated that Charlie loved the stage fireworks and they wanted to put that in the memorial as a way to honor him.
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Criticism and then "reaction"? Why not think before you act? Why do what you want to do? Because you can? Why not think of others and how they will process a multi-million dollar mega church WWE -style funeral production? Nothing is sacred. Just emote, emote, emote. If you're going to emote, do it in private. In the same way as we Christians cover the naked body, we also strive to cover our emotions as to not burden others with our pain. It's called stoicism.

scorpion said:
The personal critiques of Erika Kirk (Charlie's wife) and the memorial service (which was put on by TPUSA organizers) are in poor taste.
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I understand this take, even though it is not mine. Time will tell. Like with all big 150 million dollar corporations there is some level of corruption and infighting. Who knows who Charlie Kirk really was behind closed doors and what he really thought, much less what he would have wanted his funeral to look like? We are all speculating about strangers, but from the outside it appears to me that it is TPUSA that has poor taste. Maybe if we really knew what went on behind closed doors with this media figure and his "entourage" we would be even harsher and more critical of this whole affair? We can't necessarily believe everything we see on TV and the internet.
 
One thing we should probably recognize. This was billed as a memorial, but it really was a political event. That's fine. Many other figures have had their memorial service serve as a political event.

Kirk has been put forth as both a Christian martyr, and an American martyr. His followers are filled with zeal and passion over his murder, and many who were previously indifferent to him have become admirers of his. The people that supported him want to drive forward and win on the issues he pushed. If we push forward and win on the issues he cared about, then his death is vindicated. If we were to fail to do this, the evil doers that killed him would be the winners. His wife feels this way first and foremost, but millions of other people do too.

It's not a regular funeral at all.
 
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Thomas More said:
Kirk has been put forth as both a Christian martyr, and an American martyr.
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It would be a really great outcome if Charlie Kirk becomes a generational right-wing martyr figure, similar to how the left venerates Martin Luther King Jr. They've gotten a lot of cultural mileage out of waving MLK's bloody shirt, so to speak, and the right would be missing a huge opportunity if they fail to do the same for Charlie Kirk. And while MLK was in actuality very much a scumbag, a plagiarist, a serial philanderer, etc... Charlie Kirk was, by all accounts (and for whatever flaws he may have had), exactly who he portrayed himself to be: a loving husband and father, a committed Christian, and a patriot who worked tirelessly to improve his country. All of that, and he was cut down in his prime. He's basically the perfect martyr figure, one whose example could continue inspiring people for decades to come, hopefully influencing people to become more patriotic and more Christian in both their beliefs and behavior.

For as much as he did during his short life, Charlie Kirk could end up contributing even more after his death. The myth will become bigger and more influential than the man himself.
 
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^Waving the bloody shirt is an apt metaphor. That's why martyrs are powerful symbols. When someone dies for a cause, waving their bloody shirt raises incredible support for their cause. That's what Kirk's supporters are doing, so to speak.
 
Thomas More said:
One thing we should probably recognize. This was billed as a memorial, but it really was a political event. That's fine. Many other figures have had their memorial service serve as a political event.

Kirk has been put forth as both a Christian martyr, and an American martyr. His followers are filled with zeal and passion over his murder, and many who were previously indifferent to him have become admirers of his. The people that supported him want to drive forward and win on the issues he pushed. If we push forward and win on the issues he cared about, then his death is vindicated. If we were to fail to do this, the evil doers that killed him would be the winners. His wife feels this way first and foremost, but millions of other people do too.

It's not a regular funeral at all.
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In that way his wife is loyal to him even after his death. It's actually admirably from her to let his message live on past his death.

Sure we could all argue about the event itself but I do believe her actions are the once her late husband would approve of. Like @PurpleUrkel said, we don't really know how he was behind closed doors but generally the wife does, especially a Christian one.
 
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KomnenAl said:
Protestant virtue signaling. Mega-church levels of cringe. A true Christian (aka not a Protestant) would mourn her husband in humility away from publicity.
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Yes, exactly. For all the 'Wow, so based!!!" screaming, why is this woman garnering attention at all? Shouldn't she morn in peace and quiet and serve her local church in a humble manner worthy of a widow?

Not to dog on her too much, but the theatrics are too much.
 
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