Bitcoin and Crypto Thread

I don’t have a crystal ball but from a probability standpoint there is a good chance that the current price is somewhere near the lows. You might want to consider starting to buy now and dollar cost averaging on the way down. Not financial advice of course.
Yes, I think it's a good idea. Big downcycle should be somewhere ahead based on historical cyclical behavior but this might be just a short puke and shake down. I don't see solid justification for the downcycle yet, other than simply assumping it is due based on timing alone and around 4 year cyclicity
 
This is excellent question. Let me answer, since you had mentioned "the world". As in entire world. I like the idea of "the world" because no country owns me, I do not want to be a slave to any ruler, oligarch or system.
Very soon I will not be able to own US stocks even though I'm a US citizen liable to pay US taxes from anywhere in the world. Both US regulations and practices and regulations of the country I will be moving will prevent me from doing so.

Moreover, you can not "own" any US stocks these days, really. They are held by the broker in the street name plus the broker fully controls your access to "your" stocks. Any moment you will lose it for "security reasons" undisclosed to you.
So for me, all the US stocks in S&P are worth...absolutely nothing to not much. I'm not alone, I can assure you. There are billions of people with similar situations.

As to owning all bitcoin in the world - yes it would be worth nothing, but bitcoin is a shared project, for the people, to avoid artificial, oppressive barriers by the zionist financial system and avoid fiat currency debasement, this is why many people own bitcoin which gives it value.
United States and its stocks is not the world. There are a lot more things of value in the world than all these companies selling things I don't need, their exponential growth scam has no value to me.
And to expand on my answer, so lets imagine someone did own all S&P stocks, or, lets say 5 people owned all these stocks. This would still not make them own the world ...because guilliotines would follow pretty fast and they would not even own their heads anymore, much less some "equity".
More accurate comparison would be: what if someone had come to own all gold in the world. Would it make gold lose value? I don't think so (but gulliotines would still get involved), and unlike gold, which can be confiscated, it's pretty hard to confiscate bitcoin but still doable with some torture methods :D so all these scenarios are hypothetical
 
I sold all of my bitcoin and most of my eth in early 2024 to buy alt coins. Huge mistake.

The only coin that I have that is holding up is bittensor Tao, and maybe sui(I’m about even on sui, haven’t gain or lost anything from where I bought). The rest of the coins I bought are all down 90% or more. Most aren’t going to survive.

Just buy Bitcoin and stocks on the s & p 500, hold them long term. So long as you are going to be holding at least a few years you will come out ahead. Try to buy dips obviously .

I’d avoid the crypto space if you were thinking of buying now(bitcoin, eth, and a few others like xrp and xlm, hopefully Tao should be good long term, ). I lost big time on “safety pick” coins like Kas, Tet, aitech, alph, mintlayer, and others. There’s nothing safe about crypto.

I guess Kas as the project is still going, it could come back but not looking good right now.

Look at it this way, Bitcoin really is a hedge against inflation.

I still talk to cynllo, the member that helped start Christ is king website, he sold all his coins yesterday, he held onto Tao and one or two others, he had invested a lot more than I did, unfortunately he, like everyone else lost a lot as well. There is still some hope for Tao I guess but I mean, much better to be a Bitcoin maxi and just buy and hold. Or buy the ETFs if you’re unsure.

TLDR avoid alt coins, there’s too many coins and too much trash. Buy bitcoin and hold long term and you’re fine. Or buy stocks.
Been there done that back in...2018 or somewhere around, but I had soured on crypto alltogether back then, silly mistake.
 
Been there done that back in...2018 or somewhere around, but I had soured on crypto alltogether back then, silly mistake.
No, your intuition was right: crypto is a scam.

That is the biggest mistake that keeps no-coiners from studying bitcoin. The media constantly conflates crypto with bitcoin, when in fact crypto is digital fiat (controlled by a few insiders like the Etherium foundation for example), and bitcoin is controlled by the users.

Crypto is a scam for a few insiders (XRP) to dump worthless tokens on desperate people.

Bitcoin emerged from the ground up as freedom money. The creator of it disappeared forever.
 
No, your intuition was right: crypto is a scam.

That is the biggest mistake that keeps no-coiners from studying bitcoin. The media constantly conflates crypto with bitcoin, when in fact crypto is digital fiat (controlled by a few insiders like the Etherium foundation for example), and bitcoin is controlled by the users.

Crypto is a scam for a few insiders (XRP) to dump worthless tokens on desperate people.

Bitcoin emerged from the ground up as freedom money. The creator of it disappeared forever.
Yes, I see that, even XRP is centralized while it's been promoted as decentralized coin, but it seems to be heavily controlled by a corporation.
 
For anyone who is interested in how Fiat came to be and how it affects society, Saifdean Ammous released all 18 lectures from his Fiat Standard online course.

 
For anyone who is interested in how Fiat came to be and how it affects society, Saifdean Ammous released all 18 lectures from his Fiat Standard online course.

I'm starting to read the book now, as time allows, it is a good read.
You effectively need to earn your money twice with fiat, once when you work for it and once when you invest it to beat inflation
 
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Moreover, you can not "own" any US stocks these days, really. They are held by the broker in the street name plus the broker fully controls your access to "your" stocks. Any moment you will lose it for "security reasons" undisclosed to you.
You can still request -- for a fee -- delivery of physical stock certificates from your brokerage. I've done this in the past to get some of my net worth "off the books" for reasons I won't go into here ;)
 
You can still request -- for a fee -- delivery of physical stock certificates from your brokerage. I've done this in the past to get some of my net worth "off the books" for reasons I won't go into here ;)
I guess got to be very confident in the company as this is not going to be very liquid and selling would get lengthy. Also expensive fees. With people who live internatinally it is especially not a good option and I just don't have any trust into that babylonian stock system even though I understand the mechanics of the market pretty well. Anyway, selling will most likely involve some kyc entity that goes way beyond identity verification and will require US residency too if US citizen (a broker absolutely will).
 
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The fact that many of the BTC maxis have bought into BTC based on that premise just shows that they are prime targets for a rug pull.
We've repeated ad nauseum on the thread all the of the reasons/properties that give BTC utility, and thus, value. Scarcity is but 1. We've based our conclusions on thousands of hours of research. Most of the detractors here quite frankly can't read or straight up ignore many of the points that we've stated multiple times. That's how emotionally involved they are against BTC, since I find it unlikely that they are flatly stupid.
So if Bitcoin is a store of value, why would you expect it to continue growing in price at 30-50% per year?
Great example here. Australia answered this yet again and it must be the 10th time we've had to answer this same question, over and over.
No one will admit they missed out and were wrong. Lots of people made money and some got very rich. It’s just the way it is.
The emotions of sour grapes. It's the only explanation at this point. Australia Sucks and I have laughed at what the response is going to be when BTC hits 200, 300, 500k etc. What will they say then? Our best guess has been "you just got lucky" even after all of this high level theory and the time we've taken to explain it all.
But probably it´s direct control over it. Having it in a pen or something like that. All bitcoin owned through a third party will evaporate.
BTC is a digital bearer asset. It is so important because it has that property and security due to solving the double spend problem. If you don't know what that is, look it up. As an aside, when DaVinci Jeremie discovered that someone had finally found out how to solve this problem, he recommended BTC to everyone (even a small amount, in 2013). If anyone listened to him, they became fabulously wealthy.
Moreover, you can not "own" any US stocks these days, really. They are held by the broker in the street name plus the broker fully controls your access to "your" stocks. Any moment you will lose it for "security reasons" undisclosed to you.
Add this to the list of what Scorpion doesn't understand. I'm convinced at this point it's that he doesn't want to.

I'm often confused because all it takes is one word to understand it, and it's why BTC is so important: decentralization.
 
I would give it an 80% chance that it would go down to 92828 and then a 60% chance to go further down to 74848.

Currently, the range it formed after that big drop doesn't look too great.

Apologies for posting and leaving this thread hanging. Dealing with an emergency (and still am in)

Well well well. 92.8K tagged. I do expect 74.8K to get hit eventually.

Last week, There was Chinese news that accused US “hacked” a Chinese national of their 127,272 BTC. I waited for more details to come out and it turns out the victim was using an outdated seed methdology that could easily been taken via brute force in a manner of hours.
 
Well well well. 92.8K tagged. I do expect 74.8K to get hit eventually.

Last week, There was Chinese news that accused US “hacked” a Chinese national of their 127,272 BTC. I waited for more details to come out and it turns out the victim was using an outdated seed methdology that could easily been taken via brute force in a manner of hours.

With that much btc you’d probably want a tangem wallet and put the cards in multiple different safe deposit boxes
 
The emotions of sour grapes. It's the only explanation at this point. Australia Sucks and I have laughed at what the response is going to be when BTC hits 200, 300, 500k etc. What will they say then? Our best guess has been "you just got lucky" even after all of this high level theory and the time we've taken to explain it all.

It is understandable as men and people generally are competitive, but it’s a simple question to me. If someone put 10% of their capital or pick whatever percentage you’d like into BTC 10 years ago would their portfolio be better or worse off? With the insane returns they’d have more money. Period. Instead we get continuous arguments of how it’s a scam and useless. Same argument from the guys predicting a massive financial collapse every year who recommend some stupid 90% gold allocation but the stock market has chugged along. If you did nothing and held through all the crashes dotcom, 2008, COVID, you’d be way up.

It’s also the same mentality of how some guys will sabotage dating efforts in social circles because they have a crush on a girl, but not the balls to make a move or don’t want to see another guy succeed. Instead of seeing a guy with a pretty wife and family and thinking hmm maybe I can learn something they try to sabotage instead. It’s a gay and feminine attitude to be frank and a rare guy who isn’t like this.

I’ve straight up gotten offered much higher paying jobs but didn’t want them because of the commute, the hassle, liking my job, or some other reason. I always passed them along and referred a guy I like and trust who would be a good fit, but most guys don’t do that. I’m not stating to just hook up a random person or Joe Smoe in your church, but if it’s someone you can vouch for why not pay it forward.

Here’s another related thing that’s mingboggling and coincides with discussion on this board about Jews. They will almost always help their own. Christians / Catholics, or even conservatives not so much. If we eliminated that gay sabotage attitude maybe we’d be able to dominate better.
 
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