Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel
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He says some good things about the COVID tyranny etc. Be wary of his Christology though he's not in line with Eastern Orthodoxy in these matters.
Isn't he a nestorian?
I believe David Ehran did a video about this, yes. He refuses to call Mary the Theotokos.
He seems to be some kind of schismatic,
But he has inherited a naturally based worldview from his Eastern Christianity. He looks like an interesting man with a good heart, I would seriously like to hear both sides of the story before judging the source of the schism. So I wouldn't dare judge until then.
PBD had him on. Interesting.
Good Messenger. Worth a watch. I'm not sure regarding the Assyrian Chruch ect and all the Schism... I'll stick with the Orthodox Church on the traditional church for the Theology... but he's very very interesting.
Good Messenger. Worth a watch. I'm not sure regarding the Assyrian Chruch ect and all the Schism... I'll stick with the Orthodox Church on the traditional church for the Theology... but he's very very interesting.
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An interesting person, no doubt. Seems sincere. His views on covid and globalism are correct, of course.
As for Nestorianism, it is a well-known heresy, dating back to ancient times. There are volumes of books and treatises about it, from the Holy Fathers and saints to historians, from antiquity to the present day. You can find its description and condemnation in the "Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" written by Saint John Damascene in the 8th century, in the "Dogmatics of the Orthodox Church" by Saint Justin Popovich in the 20th century, and everywhere in between. There is really nothing new there.
As for Nestorianism, it is a well-known heresy, dating back to ancient times. There are volumes of books and treatises about it, from the Holy Fathers and saints to historians, from antiquity to the present day. You can find its description and condemnation in the "Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" written by Saint John Damascene in the 8th century, in the "Dogmatics of the Orthodox Church" by Saint Justin Popovich in the 20th century, and everywhere in between. There is really nothing new there.
So they basically teach that Jesus is a human possessed by Christ.
Evangelicals and neocons would sure looove this
Yes, it was interesting, but they talk around a lot of topics and don't really deal with the material aspect of things that PBD seems to be obsessed with. It's a mysterious thing to contemplate why we have proclivities to be successful, part of a nation, and half some pride and self esteem. It's also a mystery why other groups who seemingly promote evil have greater numbers or cohesiveness. There are too many paradoxes in all of these things, I think, than for us to understand. If you understand what we do, which is that we lose until we win ultimately, you'll see that our life is a bit more of a temporal "luck" of when we are born and ... damage control. It's funny to put it that way, but it's about all we can say.
An interesting person, no doubt. Seems sincere. His views on covid and globalism are correct, of course.
As for Nestorianism, it is a well-known heresy, dating back to ancient times. There are volumes of books and treatises about it, from the Holy Fathers and saints to historians, from antiquity to the present day. You can find its description and condemnation in the "Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" written by Saint John Damascene in the 8th century, in the "Dogmatics of the Orthodox Church" by Saint Justin Popovich in the 20th century, and everywhere in between. There is really nothing new there.
So they basically teach that Jesus is a human possessed by Christ.
Evangelicals and neocons would sure looove this
It's weird all the nuanced heresies they came up with in the past. The same way people tripping on acid or smoking weed get all these interesting ideas, unfortunately they live on and get repackaged in the modern world constantly. Without the historical knowledge, it's easy to fall for them. Arianism and iconoclasm, for example, strongly live on in various Christian sects, it's simply incredible. Arianism is probably the most damaging heresy throughout the millenia.
The guy literally takes 2 twins, one was an alcoholic, one was super successful.
The alcoholic said "my dad was an alcoholic...so I am too" the other twin said "I'll never be like my alcoholic dad"
So it's also internal attitude.
This opens up another rabbit hole (We won't ever know, but it's fun asking) ... Why do some of us have the gift of faith, and some don't? Why do so few Americans actually care about going to church to worship rather than get self help or "to make it relevant to my modern life" confirming it's all about them when they say it? Why does the "church" care about people's feelings rather than preach the gospel and take on tough issues like feminism and cultural lies? Why do we prefer to be closer to watered down with more people, rather than have dedicated, smaller numbers?
Why does PBD care about Assyria, something that is on a "long drought" as he said in the video? Why are well meaning men robbed of a chance of a family due to the unrestrained hypergamy of women in their country?
I have no problems with God, never blame him, or have insecurities on these issues - that's why my conclusion is that we really have no clue about what's really going on (apart from the fact that Christ can be the only focus or real thing, regardless of our sins and flaws), and our attempts at explaining them, even us Christians, are often absurd. We have a lot of convenience and materialism in the world, but it seems like overall a rather absurd existence when we try to explain why things do or don't happen.
I'm sure you could find answers for a lot of these things in the writings of Saints or something, but a lot of things are definitely not discernible with the human brain alone, even if you have the explanation in writing from a Saint. Especially today, because Mr. Schlomo has installed a lot of very large obstacles into everyone's minds.
I've noticed that a lot of the things you will read in the bible or in other holy writings are downright impossible to understand/accept without first reaching a certain level of spiritual development, even if they are perfectly logical and perhaps would have been obvious to someone a couple hundred years ago. There is a certain fog that comes with sin. It impairs the mind and the eyes.
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It's possible, but it has far more to do with context and language. Idioms, culture and the view of "The Gods" of ancient people are all things that a common person has very little understanding of, and almost none if he hasn't done quite a bit of work himself.
There are very few modern priests who have even 15% of the awareness of the things Fr. Stephen de Young does regarding the Old Testament and the 2nd temple judean mind, or like people of the time. When the "Old Testament" is roughly 3:1 regarding the size of the "holy scriptures" (compared to New) that presents a problem that speaks for itself, especially when so much of it is also amazingly bland.
I did some digging here. Mostly reading comments on Ehran's video coming out against Mari. There were many defending Mari in the comments and claiming Ehran's video was inaccurate.
I'm not claiming to be an expert or fully understand this whole thing, but apparently Mari is NOT a 'nestorian'. As to why, I don't know the full answer, but I'll try to explain.
With regards to accusations against Mari, I believe this is a tricky semantic thing. I believe this is just different language and wording to describe the same thing and people are arguing over nothing.
Mari states that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, the Word made flesh, but NOT the mother of the Father as if she created/gave birth to God the Father. Different persons, same essence. God the Father precedes Mary of course. Is that wrong? This is all very complicated word games.
He says he NOT a nestorian. The Assyrian Church of the East was founded 400 years before Nestorias and they already had the theology they have now which isn't nestorianism. Seems like some word-concept fallacy and false equivalence is going on here.
They do however apparently believe that Nestorias was mistreated/misunderstood, but they do not completely accept his theology. Perhaps it's related to the same accusations against Mari that appear to be conflated. That doesn't mean Nestorias wasn't wrong in his conclusions.
Nestorianism seems more like some kind of Hindu take, which claims Jesus was simply a 'God-inspired man' rather than a 'God-made man'. It's different from what Mari is saying. Again, I don't fully understand it, but from my digging, I don't see any issue and I don't think Erhan's video was very charitable and seems to mislabel Mari.
I've listened to many of Mari's sermons on the Trinity and I don't see anything heretical. Happy to have my mind changed but I have a hard time believing this man isn't Graced by the Holy Spirit or is preaching heresy.
I think this is a misunderstanding. We need someone to come on and challenge Erhan on this to clear it up. Sam Shamoun also has lectures breaking down this Mari/Nestorian debacle, so he would be a good person to meet heads with Erhan on this.
Edit: Here's a 4 hour rebuttal to David if anyone wants to go down this rabbit hole and report back lol
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I did some digging here. Mostly reading comments on Ehran's video coming out against Mari. There were many defending Mari in the comments and claiming Ehran's video was inaccurate.
I'm not claiming to be an expert or fully understand this whole thing, but apparently Mari is NOT a 'nestorian'. As to why, I don't know the full answer, but I'll try to explain.
With regards to accusations against Mari, I believe this is a tricky semantic thing. I believe this is just different language and wording to describe the same thing and people are arguing over nothing.
Mari states that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, the Word made flesh, but NOT the mother of the Father as if she created/gave birth to God the Father. Different persons, same essence. God the Father precedes Mary of course. Is that wrong? This is all very complicated word games.
He says he NOT a nestorian. The Assyrian Church of the East was founded 400 years before Nestorias and they already had the theology they have now which isn't nestorianism. Seems like some word-concept fallacy and false equivalence is going on here.
They do however apparently believe that Nestorias was mistreated/misunderstood, but they do not completely accept his theology. Perhaps it's related to the same accusations against Mari that appear to be conflated. That doesn't mean Nestorias wasn't wrong in his conclusions.
Nestorianism seems more like some kind of Hindu take, which claims Jesus was simply a 'God-inspired man' rather than a 'God-made man'. It's different from what Mari is saying. Again, I don't fully understand it, but from my digging, I don't see any issue and I don't think Erhan's video was very charitable and seems to mislabel Mari.
I've listened to many of Mari's sermons on the Trinity and I don't see anything heretical. Happy to have my mind changed but I have a hard time believing this man isn't Graced by the Holy Spirit or is preaching heresy.
I think this is a misunderstanding. We need someone to come on and challenge Erhan on this to clear it up. Sam Shamoun also has lectures breaking down this Mari/Nestorian debacle, so he would be a good person to meet heads with Erhan on this.
Edit: Here's a 4 hour rebuttal to David if anyone wants to go down this rabbit hole and report back lol
Ultimately it comes down to :
Is the particular version of his Christianity in communion with the rest of Orthodoxy?
If not... Then appreciate what he says for good commentary, but defer to your jurisdiction regarding theology and dogma.
That's the best way to navigate these sorts of things.
Yeah, I wrote a lot of word salad, but at the end of the day you're right. I'm definitely not trying to say Mari is infallible or anything. This topic really confuses me. I'll talk to my priest about it.
