Signs of Escalation Into A World War

It_Is_My_Time · 2024-11-21T05:03:30-0600

Matsufubu said:
I know they're trying to provoke WW3 before Trump arrives, but does this have any strategic objective? It's like trying to conquer a neighbouring street by throwing some bricks randomly at houses and leaving it at that. A pointless waste of resources. Meanwhile our pensioners are left to freeze to death. These people making such decisions will die and be judged. No wonder Jesus asked for the Father's forgiveness for those who crucified him.

My guess is that they are trying to put pressure on Putin to accept the crap deal Trump offered them. Putin already turned it down, because it was based on the outdated notion that the USA was still the lone superpower and could bully them. Third world immigration has made the USA a has been and we can no longer bully countries like Russia, Iran or China.

It will likely backfire and strengthen the resolve of the Russian people into wanting a lot more in a deal for a ceasefire. If I was Putin, I would ask that Finland drop out of NATO, Ukraine can never be in NATO, they get to keep all the land they took, and the Biden admin team behind the killing of our men need to face war crimes, including Zelensky. I doubt Putin asks for this much, but I wish that he would.

Caduceus · 2024-11-21T05:33:53-0600

It_Is_My_Time said:
My guess is that they are trying to put pressure on Putin to accept the crap deal Trump offered them. Putin already turned it down, because it was based on the outdated notion that the USA was still the lone superpower and could bully them. Third world immigration has made the USA a has been and we can no longer bully countries like Russia, Iran or China.

It will likely backfire and strengthen the resolve of the Russian people into wanting a lot more in a deal for a ceasefire. If I was Putin, I would ask that Finland drop out of NATO, Ukraine can never be in NATO, they get to keep all the land they took, and the Biden admin team behind the killing of our men need to face war crimes, including Zelensky. I doubt Putin asks for this much, but I wish that he would.

Trump hasn't offered any deal....it was just lowball rumors to gauge a reaction from the Russians.
The real negotiating starts after 20 January which is 2 months away.
By that time the Russians may have reached Odessa and be on the border to west Moldova, having conquered the entire Ukrainian coastline.
Or maybe full out nuclear war may have broken out by then.
Who knows.
2 months is a long time.

It_Is_My_Time · 2024-11-21T05:37:26-0600

Caduceus said:
Trump hasn't offered any deal....it was just lowball rumors to gauge a reaction from the Russians.
The real negotiating starts after 20 January which is 2 months away.
By that time the Russians may have reached Odessa and be on the border to west Moldova, having conquered the entire Ukrainian coastline.
Or maybe full out nuclear war may have broken out by then.
Who knows.
2 months is a long time.

I had read that Putin already said he would only negotiate with Trump. I am not sure if that was an official deal offered or just talk in the media. I had heard it was an official deal and Putin refused it. I can't blame Putin, if he rejected the deal that was revealed, it was a crap deal, the USA is no longer a true superpower or holds all the cards. If I was Putin, I would push hard for concessions, like Ukraine never in NATO and Finland back out of NATO and maybe even Sweden out of NATO.

PurpleUrkel · 2024-11-21T06:51:42-0600

It_Is_My_Time said:
the USA is no longer a true superpower

Where do you get this stuff? The USA is the only super power. We could hold the world hostage tomorrow by refusing to sell them Marlboros, Jack Daniels, Boeing jets, Teslas, Levis, Nikes, Apple Computers, Ford trucks, John Deere tractors, and Disney products. The world loves Hollywood and all it's movie stars and all the Electronic Arts video games and music (Nirvana, Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Guns N Roses, etc.) and great novelists (Hemmingway, Steinbeck, Twain) that the USA has produced. The USA is the center of the universe and people are literally dying to reach our shores. We are not shrinking in our power and glory and prosperity, we are not in decline, we are on the rise (albeit with a bunch of homos and trannies and crime and illegals and unaffordable housing and masculine women in our midst).

Putin and Russia are, and always have been losers. All they got is the threat of nuclear holocaust and a few good books by Dostoevsky.

Caduceus · 2024-11-21T07:05:37-0600

PurpleUrkel said:
Where do you get this stuff? The USA is the only super power. We could hold the world hostage tomorrow by refusing to sell them Marlboros, Jack Daniels, Boeing jets, Teslas, Levis, Nikes, Apple Computers, Ford trucks, John Deere tractors, and Disney products. The world loves Hollywood and all it's movie stars and all the Electronic Arts video games and music (Nirvana, Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Guns N Roses, etc.) and great novelists (Hemmingway, Steinbeck, Twain) that the USA has produced. The USA is the center of the universe and people are literally dying to reach our shores. We are not shrinking in our power and glory and prosperity, we are not in decline, we are on the rise (albeit with a bunch of homos and trannies and crime and illegals and unaffordable housing and masculine women in our midst).

Putin and Russia are, and always have been losers. All they got is the threat of nuclear holocaust and a few good books by Dostoevsky.

This is for you

It_Is_My_Time · 2024-11-21T07:47:29-0600

PurpleUrkel said:
Where do you get this stuff? The USA is the only super power. We could hold the world hostage tomorrow by refusing to sell them Marlboros, Jack Daniels, Boeing jets, Teslas, Levis, Nikes, Apple Computers, Ford trucks, John Deere tractors, and Disney products. The world loves Hollywood and all it's movie stars and all the Electronic Arts video games and music (Nirvana, Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Guns N Roses, etc.) and great novelists (Hemmingway, Steinbeck, Twain) that the USA has produced. The USA is the center of the universe and people are literally dying to reach our shores. We are not shrinking in our power and glory and prosperity, we are not in decline, we are on the rise (albeit with a bunch of homos and trannies and crime and illegals and unaffordable housing and masculine women in our midst).

Putin and Russia are, and always have been losers. All they got is the threat of nuclear holocaust and a few good books by Dostoevsky.

I wish the few posters here, who still think the USA is a superpower, would actually come over here and see how disgusting and bad things are and just talk to small business owners and concerned parents. You obviously have no idea how far the quality of life and the infrastructure of the USA has fallen over the last 20 years. I have a hard time considering the USA even a first world country, much less a superpower. And large portions of the USA really are no longer first world. Whether the forgotten rural areas where bridges and roads are collapsing, or the urban areas that are worse than many warzones, the USA is nothing like it was 40 years ago. Trust me, I lived here then as well, I am in my late 40's.

Caduceus · 2024-11-21T08:16:22-0600

It_Is_My_Time said:
I wish the few posters here, who still think the USA is a superpower, would actually come over here and see how disgusting and bad things are and just talk to small business owners and concerned parents. You obviously have no idea how far the quality of life and the infrastructure of the USA has fallen over the last 20 years. I have a hard time considering the USA even a first world country, much less a superpower. And large portions of the USA really are no longer first world. Whether the forgotten rural areas where bridges and roads are collapsing, or the urban areas that are worse than many warzones, the USA is nothing like it was 40 years ago. Trust me, I lived here then as well, I am in my late 40's.

...and for you there is the sad pessimistic crying black pill version of the same song

It_Is_My_Time · 2024-11-21T08:20:32-0600

Caduceus said:
...and for you there is the sad pessimistic crying black pill version of the same song

Come over and check it out then. Don't expect to get a realistic answer from a govt. employee, a girl-boss, or a welfare/immigrant, but talk to people who actually make the country work. I have this conversation often, I am in a red area of the country, so I know a lot of the people who actually make the country work. I don't know any of them who think the country is in a good place or headed the right way. Most of them are hopeful Trump can correct it. We will know in 4 years if he can or not.

So, the thought that this country, with so many infrastructure problems, and a severe shortage of military staff, with equipment not holding up to Russia or even Iran, is going to go conquer the globe, is beyond copium.

Caduceus · 2024-11-21T08:37:31-0600