The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

magoo said:
My bet is Israel will strike alone Iran. And another proxy war will follow. Like Ukraine war. Russia and China will support Iran. And Israel by US. NATO will not be involved. F jews.
Trump always said if israel wants to attack iran they can do it alone. But they will need US support.

If Israel does a false flag against a US ship pretending to be Iran. Than all NATO will have to be involved. That would suck. But with jews.

Saudi arabia stock market is green. Even if oil is down.

European defence contractors are all beaten in stocks. Europe will not go along cause Russia didnt take Kiev. That is the supposed deal.

Israel is the sun of US policy. Everything revolves around them. Even tariffs on China probably has something to do with Israel and Iran.
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Pretty accurate must I say.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
The discussion point you made is there are informed posters here who know about IQ averages among racial demographics, but then they are cheering on Iran. This holds no water, because even if Iran's average IQ is in the 80's, which I do not believe at all this is true, then they are still doing God's work in taking on the anti-Christ. But, even if you want to try to make this leap and call it "hypocrisy", Iran's abilities and advancements are on a whole different level than Sub-Saharan Africans or Mestizos. Which are going to take over the west, run the IQ into the ground, and allow Iran to continue to pull ahead. Israel has to take out Iran now, because they know time is running out to do so.
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The part I bolded is what I was talking about when I said people are letting their desires and wish-casting get in the way of their analysis of what is going on. People really want to see Israel finally take a loss when it seems like they usually do nothing but win (and often at the expense of the US) so when someone is actually stepping up to take on Israel, their mixed results gets pumped up as a triumph. As of now it seems like Israel is having more success. This could change if some of the other theories that people are proposing such as Iran not having deployed the best of their tech as of yet or if Russia/China starts stepping up more, but as of now, nothing that has actually happened in the real world (as opposed to optimistic predictions) is really indicating that Iran is going to be the party that finally unseats Israeli dominance in that region.

I want to repeat again that none what I am writing is supposed to be cheerleading Israel. It's more of an indictment of the failures of surrounding countries in being able to compete with them.

But, even if you want to try to make this leap and call it "hypocrisy", Iran's abilities and advancements are on a whole different level than Sub-Saharan Africans or Mestizos.
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I wouldn't say it's hypocrisy since that would imply a moral failure. Rather I would say that the people who believe that the future racially mixed US with lower IQ will inevitably fall to China in the coming decades just aren't applying their own theory consistently since their theory should also entail that the Iranians should fall to the Israelis. As you have already indicated, current Iranians are mixed with lower IQ Arabs which makes them the equivalent of the future Americans mixed with lower IQ Mestizos. If you're going to say "well the current Iranians may be mixed with low IQ Arabs but they still have blood from an ancient advanced civilization (Persia)" then someone could reply with "well the current Mestizos may be mixed with low IQ Amerindians but they still have blood from a world-conquering advanced empire (Spain)".

You could just counter by saying "well I simply don't believe the Iranians are that low IQ" but then your main source for that would be the results of some online IQ quiz while the source of Iranians have lower IQs are from Richard Lynn who I'm sure you see as an eminent scientist on the racial IQ issue.
 
Wutang said:
The part I bolded is what I was talking about when I said people are letting their desires and wish-casting get in the way of their analysis of what is going on. People really want to see Israel finally take a loss when it seems like they usually do nothing but win (and often at the expense of the US) so when someone is actually stepping up to take on Israel, their mixed results gets pumped up as a triumph. As of now it seems like Israel is having more success. This could change if some of the other theories that people are proposing such as Iran not having deployed the best of their tech as of yet or if Russia/China starts stepping up more, but as of now, nothing that has actually happened in the real world (as opposed to optimistic predictions) is really indicating that Iran is going to be the party that finally unseats Israeli dominance in that region.

I want to repeat again that none what I am writing is supposed to be cheerleading Israel. It's more of an indictment of the failures of surrounding countries in being able to compete with them.



I wouldn't say it's hypocrisy since that would imply a moral failure. Rather I would say that the people who believe that the future racially mixed US with lower IQ will inevitably fall to China in the coming decades just aren't applying their own theory consistently since their theory should also entail that the Iranians should fall to the Israelis. As you have already indicated, current Iranians are mixed with lower IQ Arabs which makes them the equivalent of the future Americans mixed with lower IQ Mestizos. If you're going to say "well the current Iranians may be mixed with low IQ Arabs but they still have blood from an ancient advanced civilization (Persia)" then someone could reply with "well the current Mestizos may be mixed with low IQ Amerindians but they still have blood from a world-conquering advanced empire (Spain)".

You could just counter by saying "well I simply don't believe the Iranians are that low IQ" but then your main source for that would be the results of some online IQ quiz while the source of Iranians have lower IQs are from Richard Lynn who I'm sure you see as an eminent scientist on the racial IQ issue.
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I understand you are not cheerleading Israel, I am just looking at what Israel is saying and doing. They are now not going to let their people leave and turn the country into a giant human shield in an act of desperation. After 2 days they are begging for the USA to step in. There are countless videos and pictures of highly guarded areas absolutely destroyed and people crying in a panic. I don't know who is winning or losing, but I know Israel is having a very bad time and their people are certainly not built or ready for this.

There could be a long debate about who has a higher IQ or has more engineering abilities Israelis v. Iranians. I would put my money on Iranians. Israelis are great at manipulation and finance, but when it comes to actual real world building, not as much. There is not argument of a USA that is a multi-racial divided hellscape, with 90 IQ Mestizos and 80 IQ Sub-Sahan Africans and 90 IQ Indians, all hating each other, coming together to take on China. That isn't a contest, that is just a higher civilization doing what comes naturally.

If you honestly think Iranians have an IQ similar to African Americans, you need to get out and really meet and be honest about African Americans. I have known both, and there is no comparing the two, most Iranians are very European like in their behavior and style and, well we all saw BLM riots, those are the ones not in prison.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
I understand you are not cheerleading Israel, I am just looking at what Israel is saying and doing. They are now not going to let their people leave and turn the country into a giant human shield in an act of desperation. After 2 days they are begging for the USA to step in. There are countless videos and pictures of highly guarded areas absolutely destroyed and people crying in a panic. I don't know who is winning or losing, but I know Israel is having a very bad time and their people are certainly not built or ready for this.

There could be a long debate about who has a higher IQ or has more engineering abilities Israelis v. Iranians. I would put my money on Iranians. Israelis are great at manipulation and finance, but when it comes to actual real world building, not as much. There is not argument of a USA that is a multi-racial divided hellscape, with 90 IQ Mestizos and 80 IQ Sub-Sahan Africans and 90 IQ Indians, all hating each other, coming together to take on China. That isn't a contest, that is just a higher civilization doing what comes naturally.

If you honestly think Iranians have an IQ similar to African Americans, you need to get out and really meet and be honest about African Americans. I have known both, and there is no comparing the two, most Iranians are very European like in their behavior and style and, well we all saw BLM riots, those are the ones not in prison.
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This is similar to the Ukraine not letting men leave. Shows how important location and situational awareness are. Some of them probably wishing they had left a day ago.
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
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Israel killed top 3 IRGC intel officers in a single strike today. The fact they held a meeting in an unsecured location is enough to question Iranian IQ.
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Has nothing to do with IQ, has to do with intelligence gathering and how much they may be back stabbed by small number of their own people, likely homosexuals or other deviants who want a western style govt. in place and a country built on sin like they see in the west.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
After 2 days they are begging for the USA to step in.
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Europeans can potentially step up to the plate. Between the European opposition folding like a lawn chair, the endless "you first" game with the Russians, their tag team sessions on children and the bipolar episodes of their tranny "life partner" — the homosexual men put in charge of Europe may be itching to prove they got the spunk or the gravitas to role play as an effective "leader of the people". They really need a true rite of passage; they didn't practice politics in theater school for nothing. Considering Europe still hasn't gone bankrupt despite every effort to do so by the white female bureaucrats, perhaps the bankers have Europe playing a larger, gayer, more pivotal role in the BS they got planned for all of us?
 
Sandalwood Peak said:
Europeans can potentially step up to the plate. Between the European opposition folding like a lawn chair, the endless "you first" game with the Russians, their tag team sessions on children and the bipolar episodes of their tranny "life partner" — the homosexual men put in charge of Europe may be itching to prove they got the spunk or the gravitas to role play as an effective "leader of the people". They really need a true rite of passage; they didn't practice politics in theater school for nothing. Considering Europe still hasn't gone bankrupt despite every effort to do so by the white female bureaucrats, perhaps the bankers have Europe playing a larger, gayer, more pivotal role in the BS they got planned for all of us?
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They are going to have to use the militaries of the west. Israel can't take on all this on their own. Iran is only one outlet. Pakistan might get involved as a proxy. You have the Houthis. You still have Hezbollah. Israel shamefully hasn't even finished off Hamas, so they are still stuck dealing with the Gaza strip. Turkey, is a real wild card, while they can't be trusted, if they see an easy opportunity to get one over on Israel, they will probably take it. We don't know where China and Russia are, but I highly doubt Iran is hitting Tel Aviv night after night without them at least saying it is okay to do so.

So, it is going to be up to us, the citizens of the west, to let our leaders know we both do not support this war effort, but more so, if they want a draft, we will all collective shrug and let the entire system collapse upon itself.

 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Has nothing to do with IQ, has to do with intelligence gathering and how much they may be back stabbed by small number of their own people, likely homosexuals or other deviants who want a western style govt. in place and a country built on sin like they see in the west.
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This is certainly a possibility. It's a huge opportunity for a power coup, either for a pro western or even more fundamentalist Muslim government.

Iran definitely isn't Russia where people are largely happy with the status quo and the people at the top, including Putin, could even drive around in cars in certain situations without fearing too much. At least before the Ukraine war Putin had little to worry about.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Has nothing to do with IQ, has to do with intelligence gathering and how much they may be back stabbed by small number of their own people, likely homosexuals or other deviants who want a western style govt. in place and a country built on sin like they see in the west.
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For the past 3 days Israel have been wreaking death and destruction all across Iran, using all tools: from saboteurs to airstrikes. And the country's top 3 intel officers decided to have an office meeting. Office, not bunker. There's absolutely no excuse for it.
 
US EMBASSIES IN ISRAEL CLOSED JUNE 16

This is a bad sign for things to come. US embassies in Israel close monday June 16. Knowing how the number 6 is used by elite lunatics this might mean US will get involved tomorrow. But something more like a false flag would need to happen probably:

Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza: As a result of the current security situation and ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran, the U.S. Embassy has directed that all U.S. government employees and their family members continue to shelter in place in and near their residences until further notice. In compliance with Israel Home Front Command guidance, the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem will be closed Monday, June 16. This includes the Consular Sections in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. There will be no passport (emergency or regular) or Consular Report of Birth Abroad services.
The U.S. Embassy is not in a position at this time to evacuate or directly assist Americans in departing Israel.
Ben Gurion Airport remains closed, and there are no commercial or charter flights operating from there.
Land crossings to Jordan are currently operating and scheduled to open Monday, June 16:
· Allenby/King Hussein Bridge: 0800 – 1430.
· The Northern (Jordan River/Sheikh Hussein) crossing: 0830 – 1430.
· The Southern (Yitzhak Rabin/Wadi Araba) crossing: 0800 – 2000.
Before traveling to the border crossings, consult the Israel Home Front Command guidance. Flights are available from Jordan on a limited basis. Check with your airline and expect delays. Check the status of Ben Gurion Airport and the land crossings https://www.iaa.gov.il/en/
More: https://il.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy.../
 
Swiss embassy in Tehran closing operations. Swiss embassy is the equivalent of the american embassy in Iran.

Israelis told to bring blankets and sleep in the shelters tonight.

Pakistan says they will reply with a nuke. If Israel attacks Iran.

Situation is degrading fast. US will be forced to intervene. I think only Britain from Europe officially accepted Israelis request for more support.

 
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