We know that a good number can have some major guile. Don't misrepresent - I haven't said any such thing, btw.
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I don't think any man on this forum believes that Eastern European women on the whole are conservative and family oriented. Rather many guys on this forum believe they are somewhat less bad then western women (as long as you don't bring them to the west) which I largely think is true.
Divorce rates in Eastern Europe are on par or higher than western countries but a lot of it is also to do with men in those countries not holding up their end of the bargain. Men who are alcoholics, drug users, beating their wives (mostly older generation) or men not earning enough money to provide a high material standard of living thus leading to divorce.
Eastern European women have tendencies towards materialism but if the man can provide a good standard of living and doesn't mess up in other ways (addictions, cheating, etc) the marriage has a much higher chance of lasting than western marriages where the woman just ups and leaves because she doesn't get the vagina tingles anymore.
Western women will often leave a relationship for no good reason whereas Eastern European women are more pragmatic (not all of them though) and if the man is good they often realize "If I leave I cannot do any better than this guy". I would call that enlightened self interest rather than actual loyalty but the result is similar as long as you don't bring the woman to the west.
No. EE women are just as bad, and very often even worse than Western women.
Divorce rates are higher in EE than in the West. if you really believe those divorce rates are high because of men, you are seriously deluded.
Also, are you trying to imply "leading with money" will get a woman (especially an EE woman) love you and be faithful to you? Sorry, AS...it sounds like you are a blue-pilled, beta simp.
EE women divorce their husbands just as easily as Western women. Anyone telling you otherwise is naive or is a liar.
Anyhow, it seems like you have already made up your mind. You are welcome to try your luck in EE...just don't say nobody has warned you.
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Why do you think they are worse than western women? How can any women be worse than western women? Western women are very masculine and absolutely repulsive (at least 90% of them). Sure a woman from Moscow or Kiev is likely every bit as bad morally (physically they are much better of course) as a woman from London, Sydney or New York but if you pick a small town in Eastern Europe and find a girl from a conservative family they will be far superior to any western woman. Apart from bible belt America the Anglosphere does not have any truly conservative women left.
Most relationships are transactional to a certain extent. Accepting this is red pill. Just as I don't want a 40 year old woman or an obese woman similarly a young attractive woman doesn't want a serious relationship with a broke guy.
I am not a blue pilled beta simp and I understand very well the true nature of women and I have various plans/mechanisms for protecting myself against female treachery if things get serious so the whole divorce rape thing isn't going to happen to me.
If I get serious with a foreign woman I will live in her country while having my assets in Australia, and I will not legally marry her. Also I will avoid doing this in countries where de facto relationships have the same legal status as marriage. And if need be in certain situations I can layer pre-nuptial agreements and trust structures on top of this to protect my assets. I am not a typical western simp and I was not born yesterday. I will be going into things with both eyes wide open.
I will try my luck in Eastern Europe, they cannot possibly be any worse than western women and even if they are every bit as bad at least they are more attractive.
Again, more nonsense. (No offence.)
As someone who claims to live in Australia...yet, instead of exploring Southeast Asia and Oceania -which are both closer to Australia. They are also superior to Eastern Europe in every aspect (and especially when it comes to the quality of women available)...yet you want to go to "explore" Eastern Europe. I believe you are a troll.
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no hardcore racial slurs
You fallaciously assume that a european descended man wants to race-mix with asian or polynesian woman. My seed ain't meant for no gook.
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I was almost considering responding. Then I saw the words:
"fallaciously" "race-mix" and "g**k".
Off you go to the "Ignore" list.
Bye.
In general the types of Asian women I find physically attractive (e.g. Japanese, South Koreans, etc) tend to have similar behavior to western women. But yes I will not limit myself to Europe and never made such a claim. Are there Indonesian or Filipina or Vietnamese women that are attractive? Yes of course there are but that is a low percentage of them.
Also Slavic women are unmatched (I mean if going by averages I am not talking individual women) in terms of beauty with only maybe a few other pockets of Europe (the Baltics, Albanian women and Scandinavian women) having comparable levels of average beauty depending on your exact tastes.
On average however there is no comparison between Slavic women and Asian women in terms of beauty.
I had a taste of Slavic women when I went to North Macedonia (the Macedonian women) but it was only 1 month and only 1 country so not enough info to draw a definitive conclusion. But I did notice that anecdotally there seemed to be a noticeable percentage of Macedonian women (I would guess at least 5%) who were keeping their virginity until marriage. That is basically unheard of in the west. I made no traction because of the nationalism/racism culture in the Balkans but I know that other Slavs such as Russians and Ukrainians etc are more open to dating foreigners.
Some of what you're saying is true. Divorce rates in Russia are insanely high. Ukraine is even worse and there are many many promiscuous, feminist and atheist women among Ukrainians. This has become clear to anyone living in the west since the war started.
That said, you come across as someone who hasn't spent extended time EE. For someone to travel Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Romania and draw the conclusion that they are worse is almost unheard of. Worst case scenario you just learn the language and go to a city with a sub 150k population. If you then still think it's nothing to write home about, then that part of Europe just ain't for you. And that's perfectly fine.
We don't know what race that guy is. It says UK but that can be anything. If the guy is some color import then no wonder he doesn't vibe with slavs. If he's english or european but considers asian women then he's seriously misguided. Either way his advice is not to be taken seriously.
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Unfortunately, Eastern European girls have access to Western social media. And they are taught English in school, and on the Internet. One doesn't have to be a genius in order to make conclusions from that, and extrapolate to other geographical region.
That being said, the only time I've ever witnessed a genuine kindness from a young woman which cannot be reasonably ascribed to sexual behavoiur happened in the middle of nowhere in Northern Poland, quite far from nearest big cities (Poznan and Gdansk).
That being said, the only time I've ever witnessed a genuine kindness from a young woman which cannot be reasonably ascribed to sexual behavoiur happened in the middle of nowhere in Northern Poland, quite far from nearest big cities (Poznan and Gdansk).
The idea that there is an abundance of good men and a lack of good women is a twisted belief and born from redpill and materialist thinking. Men and women are suffering equally but in different ways. Who are we who have led a life of sin chasing as many women as possible consuming poisonous redpill content and being materialist to then turn around after all that and expect to be handed a pure innocent and un traumatized woman.
It is hypocritical to look down on women who have likely sinned less and had better thoughts than us for not being good enough. If youve been around in redpill spaces for many years and absorbed those ideas its likely youve been a degenerate lets not pretend otherwise, i admit this is true for myself. Even the best girls ive dated and been in relationships with had been hurt by life and made mistakes and often i was contributing to that hurt. Truly good men are just as rare as the women are. A lack of relationship succes is an unwillingness to settle for what you actually deserve and keep holding on to the belief that it is possible to reach outside of your own league not only physically and materially but also spiritually and morally.
Women are bad because they think they can do better.
But Men also think they can do better.
Its a vicious cycle.
It is hypocritical to look down on women who have likely sinned less and had better thoughts than us for not being good enough. If youve been around in redpill spaces for many years and absorbed those ideas its likely youve been a degenerate lets not pretend otherwise, i admit this is true for myself. Even the best girls ive dated and been in relationships with had been hurt by life and made mistakes and often i was contributing to that hurt. Truly good men are just as rare as the women are. A lack of relationship succes is an unwillingness to settle for what you actually deserve and keep holding on to the belief that it is possible to reach outside of your own league not only physically and materially but also spiritually and morally.
Women are bad because they think they can do better.
But Men also think they can do better.
Its a vicious cycle.
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No you have it backwards. You have put the cart before the horse. Redpill thinking emerged because women became broken. Most men would not be chasing as many women as possible if they were offered marriage to a young thin virgin when they were young. Lack of good women causes men to lose hope are start chasing fornication with whores. Stop blaming men for the fact that women are broken. Most young men I know are goodhearted and empathetic, whereas most young women I have met are wicked and narcissistic. The average young woman in the west morally is 100 times worse than the average young man in the west.
Lets say you are right, how does that thinking help us prepare for a healthy relationship. It is what it is we are all flawed and broken due to the times we live in and got to work with it.
Red pill is a double edged sword it makes you aware of the traps, pitfalls and risks regarding women but it can also make you cynical and jaded which can poison a potential relationship if taken too far. There is no easy answer to this question. Like many things in life there are tradeoffs involved.
I think we are more than well aware of the potential pitfalls, now we are just repeatedly cutting ourselves so that is why i try to walk it back. We are not the same caliber of men our ancestors where either so why are we expecting this level from the women.
Nobody is expecting the caliber of women that was available 100 years ago. Those women were often able to raise 6 - 8 children without complaining, cook delicious food, do grueling manual labour (handwashing lots of clothes, etc), surviving with a very basic lifestyle while not complaining, etc. I don't expect a woman to stitch up ripped clothing, hand make curtains out of fabric or raise 8 children all things that women did 100 years ago. Heck I don't even expect a woman to know how to cook I would be happy to do the cooking. All I ask is that she be young, attractive and virgin and have good morals.
The bar for women today is fairly low by historical standards: marry when young, do not be fat, do not be a whore, do not be annoying, be kind to others. That is pretty much it. Is that asking too much?
Like others, I wonder where you claim to have gotten your knowledge and experience.
This seems like some projection. While EE might not be for everyone, certainly you are closer to the troll if you claim the west, or some places in SEA, are "better than EE."
This is the main problem of modernity: most people not realizing how much technology has changed them, or created totally unrealistic expectations, or given ideas of false sense of security (I think women believe they have options that are fantasy and fake, largely). At this point, it's hard to even come across a younger or attractive woman in the west that isn't a total piece of work, annoying, and/or "celebrity" trying to monetize life. That actually is available in other places, thus the overseas decision for some.
Your post was a good one but where you are right in direction, you are off in degree and detail. There isn't an abundance of anything necessarily, but the difference in scale of good men compared to good or younger women is HUGE. I've mentioned this many times before because it's true. Women may be suffering but I don't see it in any capacity as equal given their predilection or desire for the material, which is in abundance, actually. What's not in abundance that is what a man seeks? Young and feminine women. I don't think this is debatable. There is a vicious cycle precisely because, whether right or wrong, women are led by bad things and aren't able to see things in the future nor do they want to plan ahead. All that does is force men's hands to not take them seriously, since they don't take their biology seriously, which is a short window of attractiveness that should be traded to go alongside a solid man, and be his helpmate. What does that leave for men with T? Non serious women and often just sex and disappointment for both parties in the relationship world.
It's pretty clear. Women were steered to become like men, mini economic units working for a system, not alongside their husbands to raise a family.
I dispute this too. Much of the 20th century is a similar fiction, if you dig deeper.
"Australia Suck"(AS) out of the the frying pan into the fire:
AS in 2025:
"White Australian women are difficult...so I am moving to Eastern Europe. Everyone here -except one guy- is telling me women in Eastern Europe are less materialistic and more loyal than Western White women, so it must be true. Only one guy on this forum is trying to discourage me of going there, but surely he is just jealous of my future successes with Eastern European women.
AS in 2026:
"Hi guys. I am in Miami, Florida. Sadly most women are very materialistic here and none of them are virgins. Plus there are too many non-Whites and I am starting to dislike that. Most of you guys here are telling me that the American Midwest is filled with traditional , virgin White women. Plus guys here also say the harsh winters keeps the non-whites out. I have found an affordable property online that is located in Detroit,Michigan. I am buying a one-way ticket to go there... Wait, one guy on this forum is trying to tell me Detroit is actually a Black-majority city... but what does he know, right? He is just jealous of me. "
AS in 2025:
"White Australian women are difficult...so I am moving to Eastern Europe. Everyone here -except one guy- is telling me women in Eastern Europe are less materialistic and more loyal than Western White women, so it must be true. Only one guy on this forum is trying to discourage me of going there, but surely he is just jealous of my future successes with Eastern European women.
AS in 2026:
"Hi guys. I am in Miami, Florida. Sadly most women are very materialistic here and none of them are virgins. Plus there are too many non-Whites and I am starting to dislike that. Most of you guys here are telling me that the American Midwest is filled with traditional , virgin White women. Plus guys here also say the harsh winters keeps the non-whites out. I have found an affordable property online that is located in Detroit,Michigan. I am buying a one-way ticket to go there... Wait, one guy on this forum is trying to tell me Detroit is actually a Black-majority city... but what does he know, right? He is just jealous of me. "
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