Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

What is a king? Who were the judges of Israel? Have there not been righteous men who lead their nations in the past? There is this idea now that anything other than a democratic or republican styled government is somehow the epitome of evil. I don’t get it.

Not talking about you specifically, but I notice that a lot of the MAGA/Trump crowd portrayed themselves as die-hard supporters of the US Constitution when Obama and Biden were in power. Back then the constitution was portrayed as a holy and infallible text.

But now that Trump is becoming ever more authoritarian and unconstitutional, the same crowd is saying that the Constitution is outdated and worthless. Now they want a strong man that ignores laws or makes the law up as he goes along.

This can and will backfire spectacularly.
 
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The good news is when Israel demands we go to war with Iran, and it will come one day, there will be nothing left of the USA to fight with. At least the great evil of the world will be stopped by its own greed and unconcern for its own citizens.
I’ve been saying this but nobody listens. There’s no support from allies for a war with Iran. Because Russia didn’t take Kiev. Europe for sure is out. France is 100% against it. That is probably the biggest reason for Trump temporary decision.

When US goes alone with useless jews it will be a clusterfuck worse than Iraq. Imagine Iraq x100.

Cause besides Iran not being Iraq. Russia and specially China will give full support to iranians. My prediction is the war with Iran will happen and it will mark the end of the American empire. The US army will lose. The republic will go on. But empire will be gone. Iran war will mean the end of US hegemony. This is what you will get for being a vassal to crazy lunatics jews.




'Screw you': Netanyahu's son lashes out at Macron over plans to recognise Palestine​


 
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I’ve been saying this but nobody listens. There’s no support from allies for a war with Iran. Because Russia didn’t take Kiev. Europe for sure is out. France is 100% against it. That is probably the biggest reason for Trump temporary decision.

When US goes alone with useless jews it will be a clusterfuck worse than Iraq. Imagine Iraq x100.

Cause besides Iran not being Iraq. Russia and specially China will give full support to iranians. My prediction is the war with Iran will happen and it will mark the end of the American empire. The US army will lose. The republic will go on. But empire will be gone. Iran war will mean the end of US hegemony. This is what you will get for being a vassal to crazy lunatics jews.




'Screw you': Netanyahu's son lashes out at Macron over plans to recognise Palestine​




I agree with the conclusion. But the real reason is that European leader's now have to worry about their considerable Muslim electorate. (+possible riots etc.) So they will never support any military action against a Muslim country!
 
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I agree with the conclusion. But the real reason is that European leader's now have to worry about their considerable Muslim electorate. (+possible riots etc.) So they will never support any military action against a Muslim country!
That might influence. But it’s not the main reason. A war with Iran is simply jewish neurological disorder lunacy and stupidity eventually backed by naive american brute force.

All those middle eastern countries. Besides maybe Turkey (which is part European) are utter who gives a fuck shitholes. Only to foster crazy lunatic jewish plans can a war with any of those shit countries be justified.

You can easily manipulate arabs. They are emotional not rational. You dont need wars.


“War With Iran? Count Us Out, Europe Says”​


“This is a case of all European governments saying to Washington that this is insane, we shouldn’t be here, and it’s your fault that we’re actually talking of war.”

Jew America did the same with Ukraine. And crazy bitch Nuland.

If Israel and Iran want to go at it. Let them do it. Fuck em. But no third party involvement. US stays out. China also. Of course jews are chicken shit. And said no we need big daddy protection.

Americans need europeans to bankroll theyre stupid jew stuff.
I dont know why Israel is jewish. It should be christian. Jews used to be slaves to christians. Jew slaves built the roman coliseum. Before anglos decided to be their shiksas. What is this shit?

Mossad might pull something big in the west to justify an attack on Iran. Most likely Europe. Or an attack on US.
 
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Israel is totally capable of doing something insane and over the top. The oligarchs in Israel would totally nuke their own citizens and blame Iran if they thought they could get the West to become committed and involved in a war against Iran.
 
Israel is totally capable of doing something insane and over the top. The oligarchs in Israel would totally nuke their own citizens and blame Iran if they thought they could get the West to become committed and involved in a war against Iran.

Nuke their own? Never. Nuke someone else? Sure, but extremely unlikely. A much smaller scale false flag is much more probable. Something like a new USS Liberty incident, only done right this time.
 
Not talking about you specifically, but I notice that a lot of the MAGA/Trump crowd portrayed themselves as die-hard supporters of the US Constitution when Obama and Biden were in power. Back then the constitution was portrayed as a holy and infallible text.

But now that Trump is becoming ever more authoritarian and unconstitutional, the same crowd is saying that the Constitution is outdated and worthless. Now they want a strong man that ignores laws or makes the law up as he goes along.

This can and will backfire spectacularly.
I wanted to respond to this, but I wanted to collect my thoughts, and I want to keep it as brief as I can. I am not sure where you live or how old you are. I used to think this way 10 to 15 years ago myself. Since then, I have become a Fascist, seeing that satanic egalitarianism is the true evil of the world. "Democracy", which is simply satanic egalitarianism, is being spread across the globe by bombing children, and I now see what the US govt. is referred to as the great satan by Chinese, Russia, and Middle Eastern leaders.

So, I used to think like you. We just need to wake up the left, play by the rules, for if we go too far, too fast, not only will they never wake up, they will use that strong arm of the govt. against us. But, in the last 10 years, learning about IQ and what it really means, learning about our ancestors and their Christian and righteous beliefs, and learning that the constitution NEVER defends us when it is both needed and in the legal right to do so, has led me to this conclusion. Might makes right, so either good God-fearing men make right, or the satanic elites make right.

Now, I will give you some examples of the constitution not doing its job in the past and already the strong arm of the left coming down on us with never even a slight pushback from the right wing.

Obamacare - The only reason I, and millions of other slaves are forced to work, is due to healthcare costs in the USA. Before Obamacare, healthcare was somewhat affordable and was the best in the world. Now it costs a small fortune to afford healthcare and the services are getting worse. I have worked 7 days a week for about 25 years straight and the only reason I still have to work is healthcare. But see, Obamacare was unconstitutional, it was written as a mandate, which goes against the constitution and the bill of rights. So, the right wing took it to the supreme court, slam dunk easy win. Chief Justice Roberts (visited Epstein island) ruled it would stand, because it is a tax. It was not written like a tax, and in fact, it was sold as "not a tax" but the only reason it was legally allowed is because the constitution was torn up and spit out by the Supreme Court. Now millions of third world invaders come here and flood the ER and cause healthcare costs to skyrocket higher and higher for the middle class.

And I can give you more examples.



At the end of the day, good people in the USA pay about 50% of their income in some form of tax or another. Over the last 20 years you can add another 10% income tax in the form of inflation. And these people work themselves exhausted to get away for the violent third world hordes who are flooding in daily combined with the BLM domestic terrorists who now raise a small fortune for black teenagers who stab while teenagers in the chest at a school track meet.

Due to these realities, more and more young Trump/MAGA people move to my side every day. The number of comments and likes I see on twitter supporting my beliefs has grown 100-fold since 2016. And the system has no answer to it. It isn't like the system is going to do something to try to win these people back over. So, this trend will just continue. And people with your opinion will be drown out by a combination of these fed-up God-fearing people and the low IQ third world left that simply just wants more gibz.

See, despite all these sacrifices by the middle class, the demands they produce more and take home less will increase, no matter who is in power. You can't teach 80 IQ people to do much more than be low skill labor. And now they realize they can get paid without ever doing labor, that game is over. And as they breed, invade and outpopulate us 2:1, it is only a matter of time before the entire system crashes.

What you suggest is that if we ignore the constitution, that has never been there for us in our righteous time of need, that it will be used against us. This has already happened many times over to the point it has made millions of young men say, "to hell with this". Your point's only response to this is "well, next time it will be even worse if you push back". It will be worse and continue to get worse, no matter what we do. The 80 IQ left cannot be reasoned with. It will just continue to devour until we are finished.

I personally look forward to it, the more the 80 Q left, and their satanic handlers push the God-fearing middle class, the closer we get to a real pushback. And they will keep pushing until the straw finally breaks the camel's back. And I think that time is very near.
 
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Not talking about you specifically, but I notice that a lot of the MAGA/Trump crowd portrayed themselves as die-hard supporters of the US Constitution when Obama and Biden were in power. Back then the constitution was portrayed as a holy and infallible text.

But now that Trump is becoming ever more authoritarian and unconstitutional, the same crowd is saying that the Constitution is outdated and worthless. Now they want a strong man that ignores laws or makes the law up as he goes along.

This can and will backfire spectacularly.


What sold me on the idea of some changes being necessary was Doolittle (Yes, I know the dude had issues) explaining that there's a ton of issues in the USA that result from the lack of any clear judicial jurisprudence in the Constitution.

But additionally there's some other people who have raised a food point. Both Communists themselves and everyone else except the "Democracy" people recognize that American style democracy's fall to communism is inevitable because it has no immune system to prevent the cultists from slowly infiltrating positions of power in the bureacracy until they're in a position to sabotage the entire system and invite the invaders in (This is a reference to something else that, in turn, is a reference to communists).

The only possible way to deal with this kind of an infection once it has taken root is extreme intolerance and the historical record indicates as such. Communist revolutionary cults have only been stopped in countries that took a hard right pivot. In all other instances they succeed.


Hence my earlier comment that my own sentiments are starting to lean more in this direction:
 

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Not talking about you specifically, but I notice that a lot of the MAGA/Trump crowd portrayed themselves as die-hard supporters of the US Constitution when Obama and Biden were in power. Back then the constitution was portrayed as a holy and infallible text.

But now that Trump is becoming ever more authoritarian and unconstitutional, the same crowd is saying that the Constitution is outdated and worthless. Now they want a strong man that ignores laws or makes the law up as he goes along.

This can and will backfire spectacularly.

First, Happy Easter (belatedly), He is Risen!

I haven’t had a lot of time to respond, so my apologies for the late reply.

As an American, I always considered myself a constitutionalist and advocated for a strict adherence to the Constitution as it is our founding document for our government and therefore the absolute law of the land. Th original document was fairly straightforward, albeit written in an older style of language, but the basic principles were easily understood by any commoner. If there was any dispute over what was intended, this is clarified by reading what the founders wrote at the time (eg Federalist Papers, etc).

Any deviation from the plain language and basic principles is a violation of the law. If this is done to intentionally subvert the plain intention of the founding law, which is a method of levying war against the American people, it is treason. Perhaps more on that later but hopefully we can agree that if a person or group commits an act intended specifically to do violence to a country’s founding principles, and the core population, it’s an act of war. It’s called sabotage.

The above being acknowledged, but notwithstanding, the Constitution has been sabotaged beyond recognition. Regardless of whether or not the modern “Constitution” itself is the result of sabotage or legitimate amendment, the result is the same. It doesn’t represent American interests.

The “Constitution” isn’t the same as when it was first implemented. It was implemented by and for a specific people, and to promote their best interests (to ourselves and our Posterity). Per John Jay, founder, first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and co-author of the anonymously published Federalist Papers:

With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties
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There has been profound demographic change in the last century in this country, not discounting the disruptive changes to the overall composition of the country that occurred during the period of the Civil War. These changes in the past century or so are absolutely the result of sabotage and have now permanently altered the composition of the country. It is Americans residing amongst foreigners, people with vastly different backgrounds, religions, cultures, behaviors, and overall genetic composition and compatibility. This Constitution was not meant for them, and they’ll make that evident to you as if it wasn’t evident already.

The modern Constitution, as it stands, means nothing. This is because it is subject to numerous prior Amendments that do not align with the interests of Americans or observable reality and were implemented to satisfy the interests of the powerful elite (eg post-Civil War Amendments forced on the American people by cabal or the 19th Amendment, a “democratic victory for women” gained without a single female vote).

But more importantly, this is because of the deference to “case law,” an oxymoron by which judges decide “what the law is,” a standard implemented by the courts themselves. The actual government operates along the lines of the Talmud. Where rabbis have implemented endless interpretations of the Torah to suit their interests, so too have judges done the same with the Constitution. Hundreds of judges over the same span of years issuing tens of thousands of opinions, millions of pages, telling us that what the words of the Constitution say isn’t what they mean, and that we have a “living and breathing” governing document (to suit their evolving needs). Judges who can read the same exact words and come to completely opposite conclusions about the same exact issues, in different eras (eg Plessy v Ferguson and Brown v Board, about 56 years apart). In other words, we have a cartel of judges, and the Constitution is meaningless.

What the “Constitution” is nowadays is really just a reflection of the whims of corrupt courts, as you can see in the thread by that name. The Bill of Rights means nothing, if not being abused to allow rights for black criminals and foreigners. You have no freedom of speech that cannot be curtailed. If you think you have any gun rights you’re an idiot, these have been and will be curtailed at any time if you’re a member of a group that threatens the safety of the powers that oppress you. Due process is something other people have, but not you. You pay taxes based on the 16th Amendment, with little to no recourse through the bureaucracy, where an error is always in their favor. Abortion was a “absolute right” per the Supreme Court for 50 years, until the Supreme Court told you it wasn’t. You are ruled by women, the Civil Rights Act, and the Immigration Act of 1965. The government is not ruled by the Constitution.

Citizenship is a burden, not a privilege. You pay for the immigrants, their crimes, and then their lawyers. Because that’s what the courts say the Constitution demands. And if you commit the same crime, you can’t hide in the dark. You can’t just go back home, because this is your home.

You are stuck in the theoretical realm, where all these due process rights have meaning in respect to you. You think that if we can agree that this “US citizen” is treated like a foreigner, then it will open the door to us all being treated that way. To some extent the concern is still valid, and that’s why they’d do a test case with a contemptible person with whom you’d have little sympathy in order to gain traction to undermine your rights. But practically, while this person may be a citizen with a piece of paper saying so, is this person really an American? It’s a foreigner here to parasite off of you and I.

So what is the takeaway? My position is that the United States of America is not the Constitution, it is the American people. The country we now have is what the people who wrote the Constitution feared and hated. It is a fundamentally different “people” than “We the People.” They have different standards of justice, different ambitions and visions of governance, different understandings of what freedom is, what duty is, and different futures. What good is a Constitution if the governing bodies say it promotes the interests of foreigners over your own? To the autists, what good is the rule if the rule got you here?

What I’m actually advocating for is not the abrogation or disposal of the Constitution, but rather the implementation of it. It wasn’t a document written for our destruction. The revolutionaries who wrote it would have, themselves, fully supported the prejudicial treatment of anyone, especially in government, who sabotaged the Constitution or the American people. If the Constitution prevented that, they would have advocated for its destruction. How do I know? They said it themselves.

But aside from any sort of patriotic position, I’d like to think of mine as a Christian one. I don’t really care what kind of government we have so long as it serves the interests of God. I’m not caught up in this worldly authority and the Constitution isn’t my god.

The United States as it exists today is evil. Just as Satan used the words of God to tempt both Eve and Christ, taken out of context and twisted for his deceitful purposes, the judges and politicians do the same to the Constitution. How did Jesus respond to the devil? He correctly quoted scripture, to provide a proper context and rebuttal, and ultimately disregarded the devil’s malicious deception to proceed with obedience to the spirit of whole of the law.

I think with the current administration we have a fleeting window of opportunity, and wish they would do the same. We need a bold leader. I think what we have is a bunch of people who are in effect just squabbling over semantics with some rabbis, not someone who’s going to call them out for their treason, flip over their tables, and drive them out of the temple.

Could it backfire spectacularly? Of course, but then again isn’t that always a risk? If the American revolutionaries would have failed, they would have been executed and lost everything. Americans are afraid to risk anything, and that’s why they’ve almost lost everything.

Hopefully that makes some sense.
 
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