Bitcoin and Crypto Thread

From Revolution to Corruption: The Cryptocurrency Scam and the Future of Inflationary Bailouts

This post criticizes cryptocurrency as a negative reflection of the world’s increasing corruption and material “solidification”. It outlines three increasingly subtle methods of analyzing the space: first, as revolutionary technology; second, as a fraud-ridden space, notably with Tether; and third, as a controlled system used by elites to test technologies for central bank digital currencies. It argues that the crypto fraud will eventually be offloaded onto the public, leading to even higher inflation as the West shifts toward a more controlled, manipulative system that consolidates power and erodes freedom.

https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/from-revolution-to-corruption-the
 
From Revolution to Corruption: The Cryptocurrency Scam and the Future of Inflationary Bailouts

This post criticizes cryptocurrency as a negative reflection of the world’s increasing corruption and material “solidification”. It outlines three increasingly subtle methods of analyzing the space: first, as revolutionary technology; second, as a fraud-ridden space, notably with Tether; and third, as a controlled system used by elites to test technologies for central bank digital currencies. It argues that the crypto fraud will eventually be offloaded onto the public, leading to even higher inflation as the West shifts toward a more controlled, manipulative system that consolidates power and erodes freedom.

https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/from-revolution-to-corruption-the
He still doesn't even distinguish between BTC and "crypto", a rookie mistake. What's more, he talks about the Tether "scam" but it keeps going on and on apparently, even though people claim at any point the (I only talk on BTC) market can fail. Well why hasn't it then? It's because it is understood by people to have many use cases, and value, as we have discussed for over 100 pages.

I felt uneasy about investing in crypto for these reasons - why would governments allow a viable alternative to fiat currency to flourish, especially when crypto is often used in illicit activities?

Another thought they don't consider: you can't stop it, that's why. Another thing he doesn't understand about BTC. It's the nation state game theory (prisoner's dilemma) thing being played out, in reality.

There's no doubt Bessent is utilizing stablecoins as a new measure to increase dollar availability and thus US bond demand (some of that is because Tether also buys US treasuries). That's not a CBDC. The problem with most of the naysayers on this thread about surveillance and control is that fiat has had those measures in spades for our whole lives here. Yet they talk about it as something new, which is just ignorant, or worse. I've pointed this out many, many times. It's no different with BTC - the US government already has the ability to trump up anything against you if it wants to make an example of you, it doesn't matter who you are. I fail to see any real difference with the criticisms that can't be used against our CURRENT system, something far more debased, and without monetary or savings technology, only abuse of its people. Now that we have alternatives, it's worse for the common man? LOL!
 
He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth). XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC.

I'm a practical "maxi" like Saylor, so little of these caricatures fit, or matter, to me. The question remains, is BTC the best money? We've been through this a thousand times. The answer is yes. Matthew Kratter at BTC university has discussed Monero in this fashion for some time.

Let me add again that BTC's pseudonymous nature has a benefit - it is auditable - and a drawback - it's not completely anonymous and thus not completely private for someone who transacts in it, if someone else wants to do a ton of work in following transactions. If you study that enough, you'll find again that that is the best property to have overall.
 
It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either.
I think what really hamstrung Monero was the fact that so many countries/governments shut down the easy on ramps to Monero. There are not many crypto exchanges with Monero listed any more. If it was possible to buy Monero on Coinbase and Binance etc it would be doing a lot better now. The fact that it is a pain in the ass to buy and sell Monero is what has stopped further adoption.
 
I think what really hamstrung Monero was the fact that so many countries/governments shut down the easy on ramps to Monero. There are not many crypto exchanges with Monero listed any more. If it was possible to buy Monero on Coinbase and Binance etc it would be doing a lot better now. The fact that it is a pain in the ass to buy and sell Monero is what has stopped further adoption.
This is another important point with regard to first mover, even though it doesn't store value as well. I would say also the wallet storage or difficulty with holding it is even more complicated than any of the other "cryptos" or BTC.
 
He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth). XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC.

I'm a practical "maxi" like Saylor, so little of these caricatures fit, or matter, to me. The question remains, is BTC the best money? We've been through this a thousand times. The answer is yes. Matthew Kratter at BTC university has discussed Monero in this fashion for some time.

Let me add again that BTC's pseudonymous nature has a benefit - it is auditable - and a drawback - it's not completely anonymous and thus not completely private for someone who transacts in it, if someone else wants to do a ton of work in following transactions. If you study that enough, you'll find again that that is the best property to have overall.
I think Alaskanon what meant is having multiple value assets (e.g. Gold, metals, bullets) and non-valuable assets (e.g. friends, bartering, life skills) similar to forex normies owning multiple currencies to hedge themselves. He is a metals bloke too after all. Of course, he could explain it better if he ever joins this forum.

But I do challenge XMR's inability to be a store of value compared to BTC. It has a cap 0.6 newly minted XMR per block mined, which about 200,000 new XMR per year, close to BTC. The only difference is the supply cap. XMR can be a good store of value too.

Also, that twat Saylor is NOT a practical maxi:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: If anything, he destroyed Bitcoin's pathos and ethos of what it was original meant to be.
 
I think what really hamstrung Monero was the fact that so many countries/governments shut down the easy on ramps to Monero. There are not many crypto exchanges with Monero listed any more. If it was possible to buy Monero on Coinbase and Binance etc it would be doing a lot better now. The fact that it is a pain in the ass to buy and sell Monero is what has stopped further adoption.
But Normies can buy Monero through instant exchanges or swaps from a different coin. A lot won't due ignorance of the tech (or the idea of forex) or swallowing up to government propaganda.
 
Also, that twat Saylor is NOT a practical maxi:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: If anything, he destroyed Bitcoin's pathos and ethos of what it was original meant to be.
We could have a whole thread or a long back and forth on this, so I'll just leave it at that for now.

As for the XMR vs BTC and store of value, you need to focus on the benefits and tradeoffs of pseudonymity vs complete privacy. The latter has its obvious use case, but it crushes store of value, since it becomes even worse than the gold problem of verifying, among other things. That's the big tradeoff, and if you didn't get my last post, read it again. BTC is the best combination of all the tradeoffs, it's really quite amazing.
 
He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth). XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC.

I'm a practical "maxi" like Saylor, so little of these caricatures fit, or matter, to me. The question remains, is BTC the best money? We've been through this a thousand times. The answer is yes. Matthew Kratter at BTC university has discussed Monero in this fashion for some time.

Let me add again that BTC's pseudonymous nature has a benefit - it is auditable - and a drawback - it's not completely anonymous and thus not completely private for someone who transacts in it, if someone else wants to do a ton of work in following transactions. If you study that enough, you'll find again that that is the best property to have overall.
The power of money as a store of value is a difficult question to tackle with brevity, but I'll give it a go. Any currency attempting to be a store of value is drawing from it's function as a currency. A person holds a currency assuming it will be accepted at a similar value, or even a higher value later, therefore stability is desirable, and fungibility is a must.
He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth). XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC.

I'm a practical "maxi" like Saylor, so little of these caricatures fit, or matter, to me. The question remains, is BTC the best money? We've been through this a thousand times. The answer is yes. Matthew Kratter at BTC university has discussed Monero in this fashion for some time.

Let me add again that BTC's pseudonymous nature has a benefit - it is auditable - and a drawback - it's not completely anonymous and thus not completely private for someone who transacts in it, if someone else wants to do a ton of work in following transactions. If you study that enough, you'll find again that that is the best property to have overall.
I will attempt these complex topics with brevity, and lets see how it goes;

"He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth)"

Using a diversified asset portfolio is the most tried and true method of wealth building for at least the the last 5000 years. Digital cash, of which XMR is the top preforming crypto has a unique range of functions that things like gold, or titles and property cant compete with. However, you cant live in your crypto wallet, and it doesn't offer the same mobility as a car. I may not be able to use XMR and protect my privacy if I want to trade with somebody on an Iphone with no XMR wallet, or I may get a better price with cash or goldbacks. there is also Gresham's law to consider. There are many people who will be "tech bro'd out" of the on and off ramps for monero depending on how they plan on spending it. This continues to become less of a concern as people integrate decentralized exchanges and faster swapping mechanisms that run in the background. if your thesis is true, then the trade barriers with Russia and Iran should have eliminated the Viability of the US dollar in the 1950's and 70's.


"XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC."

This is provably untrue, with the exception of the liquidity issue. The Solana S**Tcoin market prefers tether and XMR. USDC and Tether are far more popular in south america than BTC for on and off ramps or p2p exchange. The volitility of BTC and the ease of witch those in power can manipulate prices with never ending pump and dumps has made people hesitant to accept it as a form of payment. The only reason large scale hacking prefers BTC in some cases is the volumes require a larger liquidity pool, and this is where the validity of your argument can be found. however many if not most of them will offer a discount for stolen crypto for XMR. the Price consistancy of XMR makes it a better store of value.

I will continue this discussion on my lunch break, but I was made aware of this conversation on Monero talk Sat 15Mar25 and I am happy to do what I can to follow up on this delightful conversation.

~ALASKANON
 
XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC.
This is provably untrue...
😂
The volitility of BTC and the ease of which those in power can manipulate prices with never ending pump and dumps has made people hesitant to accept it as a form of payment.
Facts.


 
The power of money as a store of value is a difficult question to tackle with brevity, but I'll give it a go. Any currency attempting to be a store of value is drawing from it's function as a currency. A person holds a currency assuming it will be accepted at a similar value, or even a higher value later, therefore stability is desirable, and fungibility is a must.

I will attempt these complex topics with brevity, and lets see how it goes;

"He (Alaskanon) says XMR is a "store of value" and then he says, it is "a unit of account" and that other things can add value to your life that aren't units of account, thus you should use a UofA and then have other things. All of that makes no sense from a money point of view, if it's the most sale-able good, or if it is money, the point of it is that it has the most flexibility (thus it actually can, does, and should store wealth)"

Using a diversified asset portfolio is the most tried and true method of wealth building for at least the the last 5000 years. Digital cash, of which XMR is the top preforming crypto has a unique range of functions that things like gold, or titles and property cant compete with. However, you cant live in your crypto wallet, and it doesn't offer the same mobility as a car. I may not be able to use XMR and protect my privacy if I want to trade with somebody on an Iphone with no XMR wallet, or I may get a better price with cash or goldbacks. there is also Gresham's law to consider. There are many people who will be "tech bro'd out" of the on and off ramps for monero depending on how they plan on spending it. This continues to become less of a concern as people integrate decentralized exchanges and faster swapping mechanisms that run in the background. if your thesis is true, then the trade barriers with Russia and Iran should have eliminated the Viability of the US dollar in the 1950's and 70's.

"XMR, and I used to be in favor of it to a certain degree, has some features of money, and it does have a use case - but only short term. It isn't a store of value at all. It isn't a liquid market either. That is proven by the fact that no one will hold it for long term, just like when N. Korea stole ETH they almost immediately traded it for what? Oh yes, that's right, BTC."

This is provably untrue, with the exception of the liquidity issue. The Solana S**Tcoin market prefers tether and XMR. USDC and Tether are far more popular in south america than BTC for on and off ramps or p2p exchange. The volitility of BTC and the ease of witch those in power can manipulate prices with never ending pump and dumps has made people hesitant to accept it as a form of payment. The only reason large scale hacking prefers BTC in some cases is the volumes require a larger liquidity pool, and this is where the validity of your argument can be found. however many if not most of them will offer a discount for stolen crypto for XMR. the Price consistancy of XMR makes it a better store of value.

I will continue this discussion on my lunch break, but I was made aware of this conversation on Monero talk Sat 15Mar25 and I am happy to do what I can to follow up on this delightful conversation.

~ALASKANON
Wait, are you the real Alaskanon??? Wasn't expecting to actually see you here. How did you find out about this forum?
 
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" I'm a practical "maxi" like Saylor, so little of these caricatures fit, or matter, to me. The question remains, is BTC the best money? We've been through this a thousand times. The answer is yes. Matthew Kratter at BTC university has discussed Monero in this fashion for some time. "

cult of personality is not an argument

"Let me add again that BTC's pseudonymous nature has a benefit - it is auditable - and a drawback - it's not completely anonymous and thus not completely private for someone who transacts in it, if someone else wants to do a ton of work in following transactions. If you study that enough, you'll find again that that is the best property to have overall."

Monero is absolutely auditable, and this is a fallacious argument. you cannot audit individual wallets without a view key, but this is exactly how you would want your crypto to function. When a person wants to go after a BTC user, you would go after the person, not the crypto. and "illegal" coins can be tracked and traced, eliminating the fungibility of the UTXO, and creating a two tier pricing structure for outputs. I am noticing a trend in this user, of pitting XMR in an adversarial position to BTC as though it is one, or the other. I can only assume the author is concerned about market caps, or losing money on the bags they hold. In practice, BTC is outdated, and XMR continues its development well into the quantum realm, literally. I refuse to take an adversarial position to BTC, but I find myself tempering the delusional take of maxi's because Maxi's are feeding the people right into the mouth of the banking cartel with promises of privacy, Lightning actually working, and 100x gains that will never come. BTC has its place, but that place has become highly exaggerated by a cult-like zealotry. My position is that XMR has the most christian principles as covered in the videos linked above. That is enough for me to come out publicly in support of XMR as the crypto with the utility we need to free humanity. If anyone believes you cannot audit the supply of XMR, just take a look at the work of Justin Einhoffer, it is not only possible, but is done regularly. Decentralize your finance, and use XMR.
 
Maxi's are feeding the people right into the mouth of the banking cartel... BTC has its place, but that place has become highly exaggerated by a cult-like zealotry.
Preach it brother. 100% agree. Admitedly I don't know much about the in's and out's and what have you's of BTC, but I know a video game gambling cult when I see one. If it's too good to be true then it is. Nothing will beat solar panels and a biodiesel generator when your power goes out for days on end and you can't access your crypto. Money in any form can't help you in the way that tools and skill sets can in a time of societal panic or "natural" disaster.

One goal of the talmudic elites is a cashless society and so digital currencies have always seemed suspect in that regard. They are perfect mechanisms for ushering in social credit scores and debanking normies for wrong think. I have always believed that BTC was a long-game fleecing mechanism created by a team of elites (and not a single guy named "Sashimi") to track and financially subjugate the masses simply because of...
... the ease of which those in power can manipulate prices with never ending pump and dumps...
 
A person holds a currency assuming it will be accepted at a similar value, or even a higher value later, therefore stability is desirable, and fungibility is a must.
No, again, a person holds a currency in the fiat world due to either lack of options, liquidity, or pure law and inability to transact in other things. Ideally, money and currency would overlap, but they don't in the fiat world, which is why we are talking about this right now.
XMR isn't big enough for people to bother pumping and dumping it. This isn't necessarily a knock on XMR, it's actually just a fact. By the way, why does "pumping and dumping" matter if something is worth more over time and outdoes every asset if you just hold for 4 years minimum? That shows it's not actually pumping and dumping, but rather being traded (for better or worse) as a volatile asset as it is new, being discovered, and since it is money, humans make it volatile and frequently traded.
cult of personality is not an argument
Yes, you are using that. I didn't bring that up. Also, no need for bolding unless you are making emphasis, it's sorta like caps. BTC is the best money, that was the argument, and I've stated why over many pages on this thread.
In practice, BTC is outdated, and XMR continues its development well into the quantum realm, literally. I refuse to take an adversarial position to BTC, but I find myself tempering the delusional take of maxi's because Maxi's are feeding the people right into the mouth of the banking cartel with promises of privacy,
I don't take adversarial positions to XMR, again, you made that assertion. If I say BTC is better money, which it is, that may or may not have anything to do with XMR - just possibly opportunity cost and decision making, or temporal use. Again, I've admitted BTC doesn't have complete privacy, but that is also a tradeoff for auditability and a ledger anyone can see, verify, etc.

By the way, the popularity of a coin to spend is of course related to how much it doesn't bother you to spend it at the time. That is, if BTC has the properties currently of something that is far more valuable into the future (and stablecoins by definition are just reflections of a debased dollar) of course you are going to spend those (worse money) first. It's not really a point.
 
BTC is too large for pump and dump. It looks like it is, because every other market is manipulated to decrease volatility. Bitcoin is just a radically free market where individuals decide for themselves what a bitcoin is worth.

Price is set at the margin.

Bitcoin is the first money that is also a currency, a tough concept because it never was possible. A gold nugget can be money, but it must be struck into a coin to be currency. A gold nugget needs to be weighed and assayed, a coin or (gold certificate) does not.

Every person transacting in bitcoin can also assay its weight and authenticity by running a node, with almost no cost in time or money. It does not need to be abstracted into another form - which eliminates the opportunity for fraud (clipped coins and unbacked gold certificates).

Bitcoin has superior properties to gold as money, and superior properties to every existing currency as currency.
 
The value of private digital transactions (which Monero provides and why it is functionally superior to BTC) will not be understood if you have not researched Technocracy.

Technocracy is the global surveillance state we are all being thrust into. You will be allocated a carbon credit and a social credit score will be used to control your behavior.

BTC can comfortably fit into the surveillance state due to its public ledger and KYC enforcement.

In order for you to "own nothing" so that you can "be happy" your personal ability to enact privacy on your property needs to be removed, which is to criminalise your authority of control and access to property.

In this paradigm the weapon against surveillance is encryption that enhances your privacy thus ensuring your individual ownership.

Monero is not just money, it is a tool to resist surveillance.
Monero is a good tool, but it does not preserve wealth over time. Ring signatures are not scalable and not as private as you think. Monero is one of the few altcoins that isn’t a scam, but it’s not the future. Privacy with Bitcoin is: Lightning, fedimints, e-cash, cashu, and other layers.
 

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Monero is a good tool, but it does not preserve wealth over time. Ring signatures are not scalable and not as private as you think. Monero is one of the few altcoins that isn’t a scam, but it’s not the future. Privacy with Bitcoin is: Lightning, fedimints, e-cash, cashu, and other layers.
XMR has the same properties as BTC for ensuring inflation doesn't exist, minus the supply cap. The only reason for weak the weak against Bitcoin is because of normies' ignorance. Also, ring signature is getting replaced in the next couple of hard forks.

 
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