How are your assets diversified? What’s the best ratios?

bubs

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This could be variable depending on one’s life situation/circumstance, but what do you feel should be the %’s one should hold in different investment types:

- stocks/bonds (outside of any retirement fund)

- crypto/Bitcoin etc

- precious metals (gold/silver coins and bars)

-other?

- for now let’s exclude emergency cash, personal homeproperty, land investments and retirement accounts, since that complicates things considerably

Right now I don’t have any precious medals but considering selling off some Bitcoin or some stocks (or a little of both) to buy some gold or silver coins. Maybe not a good idea but thought it might be a good time to further diversify. Right now I’m diversified 40% Bitcoin / 60% stocks/mutualfunds.
 
Have roughly 15 percent of my income into a Roth IRA in an aggressive growth portfolio.

I don't own single stocks but I would look at Peter Schiff as his funds perform exceptionally.

If I didn't have a retirement account and had to go with one fund or option, that would be it.


Plus Cash, antiques and collectibles (mostly guns), and with precious metals.

Don't have Bitcoin because I don't understand it.

My take is Pretty simple... Its the long game...and not using debt instruments for my family balance sheet is going to be the best way to ensure I have financial freedom.

Also the Ramsey 7 baby steps is pretty good advice on all this is a pretty proven for many people.
 
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Don't think there is any right /wrong as long as it's balanced taking into account age/wage situation (current + future) / possibility of investment opps / attitude to risk etc.

For the record though:


I'm running 53% Equities - minimal if any bonds these days and heavily weighted mostly to your own indexes (I have more faith esp now in your Economy - I'm British - since Trump got in ). Maybe 70 US , 20 ROW , 10 Developing

Crypto - 15% - obviously this varies and I'm generally very bullish on this - 70% BTC, 30% ETH - no drivel, learned my lesson there.

Cash 20% - use that for my side hustle, otherwise would have <15 maybe even 10 - and put more into Equities.

PM's less than 1% which I intend to re-balance but would like a bit of dip first.

10% on a illiquid Property investment.


Where I have gone wrong ? Sold my Gold as needed funds for house purchase couple of years back (bad time certainly) so consequently PM's are way too low.
 
I don't own single stocks but I would look at Peter Schiff as his funds perform exceptionally.
Which of his funds perform well!?


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From what I've seen, you are far better off with something like Vanguard market indexes (VOO for S&P 500, VTI for whole market) or QQQ to just invest in the Nasdaq.

Peter Schiff is that "analysts have correctly predicted 19 of the past 3 recessions". He is always a doomsday guy, and he's usually wrong about what will do well. He always talks about gold, which has had a lucklaster performance forever. Meanwhile tech stocks skyrocket.
 
You said not to talk about real estate, but that's 85% of my portfolio, in 1 house and 2 rental properties.

The strategy:
- Buy a house in a desirable location while you are young
- Get a lot of low-interest debt(harder now)
- Rent out the other rooms/units to roommates(only good when you're young)
- Eventually move out and into another property; rinse and repeat.

I've done this to acquire a couple of properties. They are mostly break-even, but in desirable areas that appreciate rapidly. So my 5% down one went up 20% in price, turning a $32k down payment into $200k of equity.

Obviously be careful, know your market, you must have the liquidity to support it if it doesn't go your way for a bit.
 
You said not to talk about real estate, but that's 85% of my portfolio, in 1 house and 2 rental properties.

The strategy:
- Buy a house in a desirable location while you are young
- Get a lot of low-interest debt(harder now)
- Rent out the other rooms/units to roommates(only good when you're young)
- Eventually move out and into another property; rinse and repeat.

I've done this to acquire a couple of properties. They are mostly break-even, but in desirable areas that appreciate rapidly. So my 5% down one went up 20% in price, turning a $32k down payment into $200k of equity.

Obviously be careful, know your market, you must have the liquidity to support it if it doesn't go your way for a bit.


I would never dissuade someone from real estate but try to go commercial if at all possible, although I realize for many just starting out that isn't necessarily a feasible option. Every residential real estate investment I ever made ended up being a complete and total headache, I never lost money but if I had gone with commercial I would have done better with much less headache. Although again I do realize it's harder to get into that game.
 
I would never dissuade someone from real estate but try to go commercial if at all possible, although I realize for many just starting out that isn't necessarily a feasible option. Every residential real estate investment I ever made ended up being a complete and total headache, I never lost money but if I had gone with commercial I would have done better with much less headache. Although again I do realize it's harder to get into that game.
How did you get into it? What sort of properties do you own, or own shares of?

Yes, I think residential is easier and simpler to get into. Everyone learns to pay rent and what that process is like, so the process is easy to digest.

I'm very interested in commercial too, and I like how it's so much more analytical/cut and dry. It seems more expensive though and less stable. Even in another covid crash or whatnot, everyone will need a home. Whereas if you got into office buildings, you had a rough few years.
 
How did you get into it? What sort of properties do you own, or own shares of?

Yes, I think residential is easier and simpler to get into. Everyone learns to pay rent and what that process is like, so the process is easy to digest.

I'm very interested in commercial too, and I like how it's so much more analytical/cut and dry. It seems more expensive though and less stable. Even in another covid crash or whatnot, everyone will need a home. Whereas if you got into office buildings, you had a rough few years.
I've seen a lot of commercial real estate properties sit empty for years. I've always figured it was due to the landlord holding out for an unrealistic rent.

My employer's current landlord went bankrupt, and we're paying rent to the court ordered custodian. Seems to me like commercial real estate has plenty of upside, but plenty of risk too.
 
How did you get into it? What sort of properties do you own, or own shares of?

Yes, I think residential is easier and simpler to get into. Everyone learns to pay rent and what that process is like, so the process is easy to digest.

I'm very interested in commercial too, and I like how it's so much more analytical/cut and dry. It seems more expensive though and less stable. Even in another covid crash or whatnot, everyone will need a home. Whereas if you got into office buildings, you had a rough few years.

Well I wouldn't touch office buildings as cheap as they are right now, unless you plan to gut it and do something funky with it which many are doing successfully. But that's been true for a very long time office buildings have been two thirds vacant for decades coofid just pushed them over the edge, I can't remember the last time I saw straight office buildings being built unless a massive conglomerate is just building one for their own purposes because they wanted it in that specific place.

I wouldn't say commercial is less stable than residential they both have different factors which can hurt values and the returns on commercial are far far greater with less of a mess, in general unless there is some extenuating circumstance both are "safe". Just as covid killed office buildings there was the housing crisis which completely obliterated ALL housing, not just one segment of it. It's just by a different measure, in commercial your money is going to be tied up more so than residential.


I bought my first commercial building in the late 2000's in my mid 20's. I actually bought it to house my e-commerce business but it was two large units so I leased the second unit out. Eventually I downsized and moved my business and leased the other side out as well. For what it's worth now I completely stole it but that was during the recession it's not like that anymore there are no steals but there is still tremendous upside if you're willing to put the cash down, it's also true for residential there are no more steals. All the commercial I bought after that was pure speculation, I was young and didn't have the cash at the time when all the shopping centers and multi units buildings were selling for next to nothing and now it costs millions and millions to get into that game. I've bought stand alone buildings more recently and I found them just driving down the road and thinking it was a good location, businesses that closed and the buildings were empty along busy roads or warehouses that needed some rehab....things like that.

It's a different game with commercial, the big boys swallow up anything that will see instant returns with tenants and they are priced sky high. If you're not one of them you have to buy things as speculation and sit on them, but the potential returns can be massive. My father and uncle always come to me asking if I want to invest in this or that with them saying I shouldn't just leave my money sitting and they are right but for them they are willing to take on a 10 year investment they are old and have that kind of money, I'm still young I can take that money and make it work for me doing something else with it. Of course all those things from ten years ago they'll come back today and say "see you should have invested in it" and funny part is they're always right. My cousin bought a closed down bank a couple years ago dirt cheap and just recently chipotle decided they wanted to move in to the spot, the guy is about to have them sign a 20 year lease at the most ridiculous rate you've ever seen if he had no other income at all he and his family could live very comfortably just from their lease payment alone.

I guess it's a question of would you rather buy a commercial building as a speculative investment that has massive life changing money upside but it could take years and tie up your money or a residential property with very little upside but you'll be collecting very small returns right away. Myself I'll take the commercial property, dealing with tenants and house maintenance made me want to pull my hair out for the few residential properties I've dealt with over the years and I have stable incomes along with experience and connections in it, everyone has a different situation.
 
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I've seen a lot of commercial real estate properties sit empty for years. I've always figured it was due to the landlord holding out for an unrealistic rent.

My employer's current landlord went bankrupt, and we're paying rent to the court ordered custodian. Seems to me like commercial real estate has plenty of upside, but plenty of risk too.

There has to be more to that story that you don't know, doesn't make sense that he would let an occupied building go to the bank instead of just selling it off cheap. That building had nothing to do with why he had to declare bankruptcy. You never know with people, I've known men who had endless success but lost it all for some pretty crazy things and circumstances....many times it's because they did wrong but not always. My uncle my godfather who is the most successful and strongest most righteous man I've ever known had to remake himself more than once which he did and came back stronger than ever each time but each time it had nothing to do with him doing something wrong or even making bad investments. I would love to go into detail and share his story but I don't want to take the risk of identifying him.
 
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I have a small amount of real estate due to inheritance. It's a massive headache to deal with all the legal issues, repairs, and so on, and is just not my cup of tea.

Mostly I just invest in index funds, a substantial emergency fund of cash in a high interest savings account, and last but not least 10-15% in BTC.
 
I would never dissuade someone from real estate but try to go commercial if at all possible, although I realize for many just starting out that isn't necessarily a feasible option. Every residential real estate investment I ever made ended up being a complete and total headache, I never lost money but if I had gone with commercial I would have done better with much less headache. Although again I do realize it's harder to get into that game.
The main problem with commercial is it gets hit a lot harder during downturns. The vacancy rates on commercial property go up a lot more during a recession than vacancy rates do for residential property. Also rental income of commercial property tends to drop more during a recession than residential. Also property prices for commercial property tends to drop more than residential during a recession. Basically commercial is higher return but higher risk and is better for the high net worth investors who are better placed to whether the risks involved.

I would say in commercial property warehouses tend to be lower risk if they are in a good location and same as data centers.

Anything else such as large scale farmland, offices, shopping centres, small shops, hotels, pubs, etc tends to be much riskier.
 
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Right now?

- 80% in Money Market. In case of a crash in stock market or real estate, I will have liquidity. The 4.5% I'm getting right now is to cover inflation.
- 18% in an IRA. I use it for my stock trading to avoid capital gains. I keep it in cash and when I see a movement in some equities that I'm interested in, I gamble it with options. Luckily, it's going up fast. I buy LEAPS (stocks I think are at a good price) and sell it if it reaches 20% profit or sell puts from a small cap company if the premium is high. I sold one where the stock can go down 40% before I start losing. Expires in two weeks.
- 2% in Bitcoin. It was a bigger percentage but after going to $100k, I decided to sell it. Might buy it during a heavy dip.
 
I have a small amount of real estate due to inheritance. It's a massive headache to deal with all the legal issues, repairs, and so on, and is just not my cup of tea.

Mostly I just invest in index funds, a substantial emergency fund of cash in a high interest savings account, and last but not least 10-15% in BTC.
Seems like a great, simple, steady allocation to me.
 
The main problem with commercial is it gets hit a lot harder during downturns. The vacancy rates on commercial property go up a lot more during a recession than vacancy rates do for residential property. Also rental income of commercial property tends to drop more during a recession than residential. Also property prices for commercial property tends to drop more than residential during a recession. Basically commercial is higher return but higher risk and is better for the high net worth investors who are better placed to whether the risks involved.

I would say in commercial property warehouses tend to be lower risk if they are in a good location and same as data centers.

Anything else such as large scale farmland, offices, shopping centres, small shops, hotels, pubs, etc tends to be much riskier.

I'm not sure if I agree with commercial being hit harder during a downturn or about vacancy rates. During the recession here in the USA residential turned pretty much worthless debt overnight while commercial was still being traded as normal albeit at lesser rates obviously.

Also some of the things you listed would actually make you a business owner, that's a bit different from investing in real estate or being a landlord.
 
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I'm not sure if I agree with commercial being hit harder during a downturn or about vacancy rates.
I could pull out all sorts of facts and figures to support my argument but its a basic fact well understood by anyone who has substantial real estate experience. How often do you see a family home sit empty for three years? It rarely happens and if it does its usually dilapidated or in a crime ridden neighborhood (or a vacation home). But its very common to see offices or shops, cafes, etc sitting empty for three years.

The underlying reason for this is wage income on average is more predictable and less volatile than corporate profits. Hence if you are renting to wage earners they are more reliable in paying on average than businesses are.

In a booming economy businesses in aggregate can increase their profits by 50% in a good year especially if coming out of a recession. But the inverse is also true. During the 2008 global financial crises the S&P 500 earnings per share dropped 90%. Even if you look at underlying earnings which excludes write-downs and other non cash charges it still dropped 40 - 50%. During Covid the S&P 500 earnings per share dropped 30%. During the early 2000s tech wreck the S&P 500 earnings per share dropped 53%. For example during the 2008 global financial crises median household income from peak to trough only dropped 2%.

Its also the reason why banks lend to commercial property at lower loan to valuation ratios than they do for residential property because they understand the risk is usually higher with commercial (there are of course outliers but this is how it works the vast majority of the time). With residential real estate people can get loans to buy a property with as little as a 5% deposit if they are eligible for government incentives or pay lenders mortgage insurance, etc. Even a more standard loan in residential is still often only a 10% to 20% deposit. This is basically the way it works in the major developed economies including USA. Commercial property loan to valuation ratios typically range from 50% to a maximum of 80%.

Very rarely will it get to 90% at the height of a boom for top tier properties financed by private equity with mezzanine debt and junk bonds, etc. But generally speaking somewhere from 50% - 80% LVR is the normal range for commercial property loans depending on the property type, quality, location and whether its tenanted or not, etc.

Also some of the things you listed would actually make you a business owner, that's a bit different from investing in real estate or being a landlord.
I am not talking about the business I am talking about owning the premises. You can own the building and lease it to a hotelier or a publican (pub owner) and just collect rent. Same as farm land you can rent it to tenant farmers or corporations, etc and just collect rent.
 
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