Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread



Tehran objects to what it would consider a premature ceasefire out of fear that it would only give the US and Israel time to regroup, rearm, and then re-attack Iran. For the conflict to be ripe for a ceasefire, Tehran believes that enough cost must have been inflicted on the US, regional states, Israel, and on the global economy that all states conclude that starting the war was a mistake - and as a result, no state will seek to restart it.

Moreover, if the war ends now, Iran will be in a worse situation than it was before the start of the war. Much of its infrastructure has been destroyed, its missile capabilities have taken hits, its ability to export oil has been damaged, and most crucially, its prospects for sanctions relief have been obliterated. Indeed, who will and can help rebuild Iran under these circumstances?

This would leave Iran not only in a weakened position but also in a continuously weakening state. Which, in turn, would make another war of aggression by the US and Israel more, not less, likely, since it is Iran’s perceived weakness that prompted Trump and Israel to see an opportunity for war.
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As such, it appears likely that Iran will continue to target Israel, even if the US declares victory and withdraws its military. Even GCC states may continue to be targeted. And Tehran will very likely try to keep the Straits of Hormuz shut. (At least for now, there are no signs that Tehran has lost its ability to do these things).
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Pravoslavac said:
Absolutely and by any measure they shouldn't be there by their own volition. It's a bargain with the devil. It's not like they were conscripted (and even then I think you should refuse if you suspect you'd be used to anything other than protecting borders) like st. Paisios in a national war. No, they willingly decided to serve in a military with such heinous track record. And Gettochoper is a deluded mercenary whom I've blocked exactly because.
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You know better than the Bishops that allow their priests to seve as chaplains to serve in the US military?

Or is it only Russia that's kosher to have priests as chaplains?
 
John Bolton suggests that Trump is manipulating the markets. He's probably right.




CNN reports on the very heavy bombing of residential areas of Tehran.




Reuters: Up to 150 US troops wounded in the war.

 
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The Trump Admin has reportedly asked Israel to stop bombing Iran's energy facilities, particularly oil infrastructure. If true, is this supposed to fool the Iranians into letting their guard down?

The U.S. conveyed its concern that these strikes harm ordinary Iranians who oppose the regime and could provoke Iranian retaliation against Gulf energy targets.
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Israeli Security source: "The more realistic scenario in Iran is the destruction of infrastructure and the exhaustion of the regime."




15 US bombers gathered in Britain to strike Iran?





 
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Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
It's not that simple and I don't think your statement is realistic or in accord with general knowledge or my experience as a young enlisted man in the USMC.

Soldiers are young and they're in a social situation of extreme compliance. It's fewer than 1 in 1000 men who can choose to be the first to disobey orders and the person giving those orders believes them himself, and has also received a great deal of training to be obedient.

This is one of the reasons the USA changed its conscription rules after Vietnam, so that there would not be mass non-compliance with orders again. I was on a base with 15,000 Marines and only one of them refused Gulf War 1. That's probably a typical numerical ratio. It basically never happens.

Keep in mind that in the US military, willful disobedience of a lawful order from a commissioned officer (or E-9 on a ship), UCMJ Article 92*, is punishable by death, although I don't think that's happened since Vietnam or maybe earlier.

*unless that faggot Obama changed the manual for courts-martial on this like he did Art. 125 Sodomy.
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Which some Orthodox Christians willfully disobeyed during the Roman empire, I. saying you can still serve in the military but disobey certain orders, I recently shared a podcast here on this forum regarding this very issue and how Christians go about doing this
 
Pravoslavac said:
Absolutely and by any measure they shouldn't be there by their own volition. It's a bargain with the devil. It's not like they were conscripted (and even then I think you should refuse if you suspect you'd be used to anything other than protecting borders) like st. Paisios in a national war. No, they willingly decided to serve in a military with such heinous track record. And Gettochoper is a deluded mercenary whom I've blocked exactly because.
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Not always, sometimes it a good idea for Christians to be there to prevent bad decisions, the last thing you want is a moral vacumm open in the military
 
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