Decline of Functioning Society


I have no idea what these kids do or why I need them pushing paper and building nothing. I need a running automobile, petroleum products (gas), roads, bridges, running water, electricity, food, medical care, and well constructed buildings with roofs that don't leak. Anything beyond that is a luxury item/service. Maybe next time when you go to college major in something that people actually need and always have to have regardless of whether or not we're in a recession. Being an auto mechanic is recession proof.

What exactly is a (((banking analyst)))? What is an "intern" at a FAANG company? What is a Product Manager? And who would pay to go to an Ivy League college in the 21st Century? The quality of an Ivy League Education tanked in the 1990's and now they are just overpriced DEI degree mills.

These kids are studying and majoring in the wrong things in an attempt to avoid having to get their hands dirty (i.e. the trades) and that's on them.

Gen Z is going for money and not practicality assuming that the economy will always employee people who build nothing of real three-dimensional value. I don't need banks and someone to manage them, I need food and someone to grow it.
 
Upwards of 80 to 90% of those in colleges have no business being there.

A friend's kid was one of the best students in HS, instead of going to Hahvahd like the other bright people, he taught himself CNC programming without going to any trade schools, and was running circles around lower IQ dudes with 30 or 40 years of experience, who couldn't come to terms with the fact, or that his hourly rate quickly exceeded theirs.

That was more than 15 years ago. Had it been a union shop, he would have been the first to be let go in case of layoffs, his skills and contributions be damned, seniority matters more, so he'd been staying away from such places.
 
I'm going to buck the trend here and just say life was better in quality as you go back into the past. Some ups and downs, of course, but increasing in quality the further you go back.
I can appreciate this view, I think it's true in many cases. I still prefer not having to farm or hunt.

After Eden, there always were some pockets of normalcy and tranquility, surrounded by wars, chaos and disorder. I tend to entertain the thought that in aggregate there never have been any good old days. People had to huddle together in settlements or cities for protection, bad mutual intentions were assumed between groups, humanity had gotten so bad, God had to send down the flood.
Overview of Neolithic Death Pits in Europe

Neolithic death pits, particularly in Europe, provide significant insights into early human violence and burial practices. These mass graves often reveal evidence of organized violence among communities.

Notable Sites

Talheim Death Pit

  • Location: Talheim, Germany
  • Date: Circa 5000 BC
  • Findings: Contained 34 bodies, including 16 children and 18 adults. Evidence suggests organized violence, with many skeletons showing signs of trauma from weapons. The violence likely stemmed from conflicts over resources and the capture of women.

Herxheim

  • Location: Near Landau, Germany
  • Date: 5300-4950 BC
  • Findings: Over 1,000 individuals found, with evidence of ritual cannibalism. The remains were often fragmented, indicating a complex mortuary practice rather than a simple burial.

Schletz

  • Location: Near Vienna, Austria
  • Date: Approximately 7,500 years ago
  • Findings: Estimated to contain up to 300 individuals, this site shows evidence of genocide among LBK tribes, similar to Talheim.

Halberstadt

  • Location: Germany
  • Date: Discovered in 2013
  • Findings: Nine bodies, primarily young adult males, showed signs of blunt force trauma, suggesting a mass execution rather than a chaotic battle.

Reasons for Violence

The violence in these communities is theorized to be driven by:

  • Competition for resources
  • Territorial disputes
  • Capturing women for reproduction
  • Vengeance against rival groups
These findings illustrate that violence was a significant aspect of life in Neolithic Europe, reflecting the social dynamics of early agricultural societies.

Rome was a monstrous city, it had to have slums in Aurelius' time. The nobility lived idyllic lives in villas, owned slaves who could be treated decently or not, it was much worse than when they say we're slaves of the system now.

All this stuff about how science overcame things like sanitation throughout our industrial era is more about solving problems we created in the first place by "said industrialization" than it is something better actually achieved . I could go on a whole tangent about so-called "progress" and "technological achievement" in medicine or agriculture. We are solving problems we've created for ourselves
I think the world had to go through that phase to get to cars, computers, planes, and advanced surgery. There were horrors like the phosphorus jaw, but survival started to depend less and less on luck.
 
I can appreciate this view, I think it's true in many cases. I still prefer not having to farm or hunt.

We live in a society structured against a simple life.

After Eden, there always were some pockets of normalcy and tranquility, surrounded by wars, chaos and disorder. I tend to entertain the thought that in aggregate there never have been any good old days. People had to huddle together in settlements or cities for protection, bad mutual intentions were assumed between groups, humanity had gotten so bad, God had to send down the flood.
Overview of Neolithic Death Pits in Europe

Neolithic death pits, particularly in Europe, provide significant insights into early human violence and burial practices. These mass graves often reveal evidence of organized violence among communities.
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And we've dwarfed this violence in the modern age with our mechanized wars fought for something ultimately devoid of meaning for those sacrificing their lives: bankers interests, profits, ...more material stuff.

Even more brutal is the sheer scale and modern mechanized hum of the atrocity of abortion. We are literally missing a third of the younger generation today. We put violence of the Aztecs to shame. Even worse we ignore it and continue to entertain ourselves in our comfort and celebrate things that give us more it.

Rome was a monstrous city, it had to have slums in Aurelius' time. The nobility lived idyllic lives in villas, owned slaves who could be treated decently or not, it was much worse than when they say we're slaves of the system now.

Rome is an image of that desire to build Babylon. So is Egypt, and the pyramids. Not much has changed, but we have become very sophisticated in living in a sterilized artificiality which acts as a veneer over truly unspeakable, normalized atrocities.

I think the world had to go through that phase to get to cars, computers, planes, and advanced surgery. There were horrors like the phosphorus jaw, but survival started to depend less and less on luck.

And I say much of the desire towards building all these things, even things like advanced surgery is control. People want control. They can't let go. Let go and just receive from God. It was the drive to vaccinate everyone in the world. It's the same pattern that led to the fall in the garden. The fight in the future will be just to remain human. Christ representing the true human, real true flesh, not artificial, not mechanized will take on new meaning in our coming transhumanist world. We are again reaching the days of Noah.
 
Those above are true observations, and thanks for elaborating on your position.

And we've dwarfed this violence in the modern age with our mechanized wars fought for something ultimately devoid of meaning for those sacrificing their lives: bankers interests, profits, ...more material stuff.
People won't change- as we know and keep pointing out, there was the Cain affair almost immediately after leaving the earthly paradise. The hearts were hard but they didn't have the means to put that into practice, now good and bad actions have greater visible reach/effect. But yeah, I guess spear or sword wounds are better than white phosphorus and shrapnel, or nuclear blast burns and contamination.

In raw numbers it's worse in the present no doubt. Then again, when looking at proportions in the olden days a 100 or a 1000 killed people could mean the annihilation of your whole world (tribe or extended family).

What else can I say as to why I personally like living in the present state world more.

I think we have more options today than in the past as to how we want to live, whether it's keeping things simple or losing ourselves in the flow of the main current. I like the now more, although our genetic code keeps degrading I guess- Caleb was no weaker at 85 than at 40. I visited a gilded age mansion where there were 4 or 5 children under the age of seven I think, buried in a family grave on the property.

There was the practice of abandoning (exposing) frail infants in ancient Greece and Rome, leaving them for dead outside unless someone childless afraid to grow old without support took the chance and rescued them.

Then also in the time of Jesus, salt of the earth agrarian- which was maybe 90% of humanity, and city folk have heard that the gate is narrow and not that many were entering through it.

And I say much of the desire towards building all these things, even things like advanced surgery is control. People want control. They can't let go. Let go and just receive from God.
What can be added, God did tell Adam to subdue the earth, but of course there are many better and worse ways of going about it.
 
I have no idea what these kids do or why I need them pushing paper and building nothing. I need a running automobile, petroleum products (gas), roads, bridges, running water, electricity, food, medical care, and well constructed buildings with roofs that don't leak. Anything beyond that is a luxury item/service. Maybe next time when you go to college major in something that people actually need and always have to have regardless of whether or not we're in a recession. Being an auto mechanic is recession proof.

What exactly is a (((banking analyst)))? What is an "intern" at a FAANG company? What is a Product Manager? And who would pay to go to an Ivy League college in the 21st Century? The quality of an Ivy League Education tanked in the 1990's and now they are just overpriced DEI degree mills.

These kids are studying and majoring in the wrong things in an attempt to avoid having to get their hands dirty (i.e. the trades) and that's on them.

Gen Z is going for money and not practicality assuming that the economy will always employee people who build nothing of real three-dimensional value. I don't need banks and someone to manage them, I need food and someone to grow it.

Like 50% or more of the entire economy is just make believe bloat. Bullshit no one needs, and an entire unneeded system there to prop it up. It’s a huge house of cards that needs to fall.
 
What else can I say as to why I personally like living in the present state world more.

Even though I hold to the idea of our overall trajectory being that of "the fall" what you say, I think, is a good overall thing. God put us here in this time. We should be thankful regardless.

I think we have more options today than in the past as to how we want to live, whether it's keeping things simple or losing ourselves in the flow of the main current.
Also true. Although I do think it's best to strive towards simplicity. In my mind it essentially equates with Christ telling us the importance of fasting with prayer. We modern Christians have sort have overlooked that aspect. More traditional forms have a bit of a memory of the concept.

What can be added, God did tell Adam to subdue the earth, but of course there are many better and worse ways of going about it.

These are interesting things. I always like to see what the Church Fathers say about them. I should say I do trend East in my view, apparently.

Have you gardened? We are trying it. Very difficult. But, it can be very beautiful too. The subduing is similar to that. It's almost like being a husband to your plants. So, subduing would be akin to a husband to his wife. So, some mystery should be there. Actually, cultivation still retains that word: husbandry.

Long story short, I don't want to sound like a terrible greenie, but, we are off the course, general-society-wise, on what things could be. It's due to the framework of society being reductionistic, materialistic, usurious, all the things. Generally, I don't see the global trend reversing to simplicity (with AI in full swing now, definitely not). But yes, possible to strive for simplicity within it. Fasting, all around.
 
Have you gardened? We are trying it. Very difficult. But, it can be very beautiful too.
I grew up in the country in Poland, being outside, gardening is very satisfying and makes you feel really good, you sleep like a baby having worked in the garden till the sun had gone down, whether it's trees and flowers or vegetables. Simple peasant life has its charm. But I prefer getting my organic stuff from Whole Foods and other supermarkets now. There's an old Polish song called 'Remember about gardens' ( truly that's where you came from). Country life suits me the most, the burbs where I now live are second best.

However people have always had this dilemma, and it's been this way since time immemorial really- monks, hermits and people like the Amish saw the great wide world, even the idolized period of the 1950s for example, as pervasively evil, and it wasn't just the bad side of town they had in mind. They wanted to get away.

Back to Urkel's original point, medical technology works wonders now, they can fix congenital problems that have plagued humanity since forever, not that it matters when you die and go to heaven:

 
Some BS gender studies degree doesn't land anyone a job?
Learn a trade.
Sad reality -
The scores of underemployed and people struggling got bad degrees.

Keep in mind this is anecdotal - but the reality on the ground isn’t millennials and Gen Z is screwed. Some are yes, but it’s more like a split.

The tradesmen are doing great and the good degree people are doing great. The women who swallowed their pride and married tradesmen to absorb their crappy degrees so they could go on and get a masters or pHd in their slop are still doing great if they get a job with an NGO or open a private practice (therapist). Often times they just switch teams and become moms. Men with good degrees do great like engineering, healthcare, finance, and until the ai revolution, computer science was the gold standard. All these people are doing great in my generation.

The casualties are people who didn’t like math and majored in slop. So yes, a lot of slop degrees are unmarried. What about the 50% or people my age married with kids? Millenials and zoomers aren’t completely lost.
 
Sad reality -
The scores of underemployed and people struggling got bad degrees.

Keep in mind this is anecdotal - but the reality on the ground isn’t millennials and Gen Z is screwed. Some are yes, but it’s more like a split.

The tradesmen are doing great and the good degree people are doing great. The women who swallowed their pride and married tradesmen to absorb their crappy degrees so they could go on and get a masters or pHd in their slop are still doing great if they get a job with an NGO or open a private practice (therapist). Often times they just switch teams and become moms. Men with good degrees do great like engineering, healthcare, finance, and until the ai revolution, computer science was the gold standard. All these people are doing great in my generation.

The casualties are people who didn’t like math and majored in slop. So yes, a lot of slop degrees are unmarried. What about the 50% or people my age married with kids? Millenials and zoomers aren’t completely lost.
This simply is not true.

 
This simply is not true.


Well now yeah, but if you got a stem degree 2014 2015 just imagine! Imaging coming out that gate making 60k a year. I’m a bio guy. Our stuff’s worthless. Someone had to die to get me on the correct path and I’m in my 30s. Spent my 20s in low wage. If you graduated and had a tech degree or were a tradesmen, life was good in the 10s. I’ve known cyber security types that made the 6 in the 10s as INTERNS.

With that being said, how old are you? To be fair gen z got the AI revolution.
 
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