Donald Trump and US expansionism in North America

Mandatory eye bleach
I remember being awestruck by the mesmerizing sight of a Luciadagen procession in Sweden that I saw on TV as a teenager, I mistakenly figured all those nice looking girls had to be religious- swimming against the current, practicing old traditions in isolated pockets somewhere out in the backcountry- they have some great picks left, I considered it a good future option. Then came the disappointment, it's bigger than that while the ladies could be presumed not so innocent.

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It's totally obvious that Canada, once it is surrounded by the US, will be pressured to become part it. Trump let that part of the plan slip out ages ago.





Oof they can keep Canada, you think the new age immigrants we brought in were bad? The ones Canada brought in you would think they were purposely trying for the lowest tier of humans possible and they are taking over really fast...

Makes the USA look good in comparison.
 
Oof they can keep Canada, you think the new age immigrants we brought in were bad? The ones Canada brought in you would think they were purposely trying for the lowest tier of humans possible and they are taking over really fast...

Makes the USA look good in comparison.
Hahaha yep.

It's a shit show

But parts of Canada are super conservative....
And the hunting is amazing
 
We really don’t want Canada as a state. Maybe as a territory but we’d need to deport all of their jeets
There is probably over 4 million square miles of unspoiled wilderness in Canada (second only to Russia) compared to the 2 million jeets who primarily live in cities... Easily avoidable if you're a wilderness man interested in a life of peace, quiet, and natural beauty. I myself would move to coastal Newfoundland in a second if there was no paper work involved.
 


3rd oil reserves in the world

There's a pretty big independence movement in Alberta and most Conservative types in western Canada are sick of eastern liberals running the country into the ground...
 
Oof they can keep Canada, you think the new age immigrants we brought in were bad? The ones Canada brought in you would think they were purposely trying for the lowest tier of humans possible and they are taking over really fast...

Makes the USA look good in comparison.
Ha! It's like a corporate anti-merger defense. Canada took in all the Indians as a poison pill defense, to make them unattractive as a takeover target.

 
I’m just now realizing about 10% of Greenland is habitable . It has minerals but not many population centers . Basically like one of the northern provinces in Canada

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I think it is much less than that. Much of the area that is ice free consists of steep rocky terrain. The areas suitable for building might be less than 1% of the territory, and even less is able to grow anything at all. The Norse farmed at least some in their original colonies, but they starved and died out, so that goes to show how poor the land is for agriculture. They probably could make use of hydroponics. I don't know if they do this currently.

There might be some opportunity to increase fishing, but I suspect existing fishing fleets are already exploiting the local fish stocks to their limits and beyond. I think the primary economic opportunity in Greenland is mining, which could potentially be huge. I think possible mining, and simple geographical/strategic considerations are the primary attractions of Greenland for the US.
 
Right . The topography on a flat map is misleading. I mean it could be good for mining. But beyond that? Not really

Edit total population of Greenland is 57000. No system of roads, except for some local paved roads. They use helicopters, ferry, boats, and in the winter dog sleds or snowmobiles
 
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Right . The topography on a flat map is misleading. I mean it could be good for mining. But beyond that? Not really
There is a broad consensus that Greenland holds huge mining opportunities, including rare earth materials, which have critical strategic value now. China currently produces almost all the world's rare earth materials, and there is a big push to bring independent sources online.

 
I’m just now realizing about 10% of Greenland is habitable . It has minerals but not many population centers . Basically like one of the northern provinces in Canada

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I was on a flight once that went over Greenland. It's by far the most desolate place I've ever seen. Nothing but ice and snow covered mountains and glaciers from horizon to horizon as far as the eye could see. It was awesome but also kind of intimidating. It's probably impossible to get a feel for it without seeing it yourself.
 
Expanding the number of military bases in Greenland will allow the US to more easily interfere with the new 'Northern Sea Route', all along its lenght, not just around Alaska. The Northern Sea Route is a new arctic path for Chinese trade vessels heading to Europe. Russian icebreakers operate continuously to keep highways open in the sheet ice. This new route is a reaction to the threat of the US closing the Mallaca Straights in a future blockade of Chinese trade. It is all about containment of China, and retaining global primacy.

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Beyond simply examining maps and speculating about US motives, the current US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, has admitted that controlling Greenland is directly tied to controlling shipping lanes along the Arctic.

In a January 2025 interview published on the State Department’s official website, Secretary Rubio explicitly stated:

“…the Arctic Circle and the Arctic region are going to become critical for shipping lanes, for how you get some of this energy that’s going to be produced under President Trump – these energies rely on shipping lanes. The Arctic has some of the most valuable shipping lanes in the world. As some of the ice is melting, it’s become more and more navigable. We need to be able to defend that.

So if you project what the Chinese have done, it is just a matter of time before – because they are not an Arctic power. They do not have an Arctic presence, so they need to be able to have somewhere that they can stage from. And it is completely realistic to believe that the Chinese will eventually – maybe even in the short term – try to do in Greenland what they have done at the Panama Canal and in other places, and that is install facilities that give them access to the Arctic with the cover of a Chinese company but that in reality serve a dual purpose: that in a moment of conflict, they could send naval vessels to that facility and operate from there. And that is completely unacceptable to the national security of the world and to the United – to the security of the world and the national security of the United States.”
While Secretary Rubio attempts to frame US actions as responding to a supposed Chinese threat, the purpose is clearly to close off any potential alternative to the maritime chokepoints the US has already poised its military forces across the Asia-Pacific region to close.
 
Expanding the number of military bases in Greenland will allow the US to more easily interfere with the new 'Northern Sea Route', all along its lenght, not just around Alaska. The Northern Sea Route is a new arctic path for Chinese trade vessels heading to Europe. Russian icebreakers operate continuously to keep highways open in the sheet ice. This new route is a reaction to the threat of the US closing the Mallaca Straights in a future blockade of Chinese trade. It is all about containment of China, and retaining global primacy.

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Agreed. In addition, current Russian shipping from Murmansk comes down through the channel between Europe and Greenland, on either side of Iceland. Not only commercial shipping, but warships and submarines.

The ability to sneak submarines through is a critical issue. NATO currently has a network of sensors through that whole area of the ocean, to listen for any passing submarines, and track them. A similar network surrounds China covering each gap in the string of islands around the South China Sea. Between these, it's very difficult for Russian or Chinese submarines to get out into open water without being detected and tracked.

The US already has forces based in Greenland for this purpose, but China has been sniffing around trying to make mining deals with Greenland, and that might end up compromising our military strategic position as well. Trump wants to lock in the US ability to exert control over that region, and lock out China, both economically and militarily.
 
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