Decline of Functioning Society

[It_Is_My_Time]

God put man in the garden to tend it. Work predates the fall of man and subsequent curse. There is nothing wrong with working hard, what else are you going to do with your life? Sit around and be idle?

Working simply to "be rich" however is definitely a problem...

Proverbs 23:4-5
4 Do not toil to acquire wealth;
be discerning enough to desist.
5 When your eyes light on it, it is gone,
for suddenly it sprouts wings,
flying like an eagle toward heaven.


The Apostle Paul to Timothy
(1 Tim 6:6-10)
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain, 7 for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.


Hands down, America (with all of it's problems) is still one of the easiest countries to be successful in and anyone in here complaining about how bad it is should just try going to the 3rd world and see how it works for them there. Folks (and entire countries) are poor for a multitude of reasons and one's attitude/outlook is the main reasons. Can-do and never-say-die attitudes, along with a healthy dose of faith in God built the west. Winners win and whiners whine.

Depends on what you mean by "successful" and then looking at the trajectory of this country, I would disagree with it being on the easiest.

If I was wealthy, I would move to Europe, have kids, and spend my time with them and working very low stress work to keep my mind busy. But I am not at that level yet, so I keep working my 7 day a week schedule.

In the west, the satanic elites and their lap dogs win. The rest of us are getting crushed, whether you want to face up to this reality or not, it is still the truth.

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

Depends on what you mean by "successful" and then looking at the trajectory of this country, I would disagree with it being on the easiest.

If your position is correct, naming an easier one should be quite simple, right?

If I was wealthy, I would move to Europe, have kids, and spend my time with them and working very low stress work to keep my mind busy. But I am not at that level yet, so I keep working my 7 day a week schedule.

Maybe you should take some advice from @magoo, it sounds like he's already living your dream life...

In the west, the satanic elites and their lap dogs win. The rest of us are getting crushed, whether you want to face up to this reality or not, it is still the truth.

So do you still claim to be one of the wealthiest men on this particular forum? How can you be getting crushed but still be uber successful? I guess it depends on your definition of success right?

The "satanic elites and their lap dogs" don't win, unless you let them. Reject their false dichotomies and take the third or fourth option. Trust God and serve Him, Jesus already promised to provide for the needs of His children but we must do our part.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

If your position is correct, naming an easier one should be quite simple, right?


Maybe you should take some advice from @magoo, it sounds like he's already living your dream life...


So do you still claim to be one of the wealthiest men on this particular forum? How can you be getting crushed but still be uber successful? I guess it depends on your definition of success right?

The "satanic elites and their lap dogs" don't win, unless you let them. Reject their false dichotomies and take the third or fourth option. Trust God and serve Him, Jesus already promised to provide for the needs of His children but we must do our part.

It depends on who you are and what you define as "success". Personally, I want to move to Europe, so that is what I would consider "successful". If @magoo wants to respond or PM me, I would appreciate his thoughts.

I wouldn't call myself, or anyone I associate with, "uber successful". Those people like away from the problems of society, in their high rise condos, or their estates, and their great grandchildren can't spend the money they have.

It isn't if I let them win, men sit around and do nothing while they flood the country with third worlders who destroy our society. I am just trying my best to get away from it. I think the poll showed nearly 30% of this forum still thinks voting will change anything, which simply tells me things are going to have to get a lot worse before there is even an attempt at a pushback. I just want to get away from it, that is all.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

It depends on who you are and what you define as "success". Personally, I want to move to Europe, so that is what I would consider "successful". If @magoo wants to respond or PM me, I would appreciate his thoughts.

I wouldn't call myself, or anyone I associate with, "uber successful". Those people like away from the problems of society, in their high rise condos, or their estates, and their great grandchildren can't spend the money they have.

It isn't if I let them win, men sit around and do nothing while they flood the country with third worlders who destroy our society. I am just trying my best to get away from it. I think the poll showed nearly 30% of this forum still thinks voting will change anything, which simply tells me things are going to have to get a lot worse before there is even an attempt at a pushback. I just want to get away from it, that is all.

Meh more of the same.

The better thing to do is ignore all this and just focus on making yourself a better Christian, find a suitable woman, work and have kids and stop worrying about all this shit in the world outside of your control.

There's plenty of people doing it all over the country.

Enough with the sky is falling bullshit. It's beyond tedious.

 

[magoo]

It depends on who you are and what you define as "success". Personally, I want to move to Europe, so that is what I would consider "successful". If @magoo wants to respond or PM me, I would appreciate his thoughts.

I wouldn't call myself, or anyone I associate with, "uber successful". Those people like away from the problems of society, in their high rise condos, or their estates, and their great grandchildren can't spend the money they have.

It isn't if I let them win, men sit around and do nothing while they flood the country with third worlders who destroy our society. I am just trying my best to get away from it. I think the poll showed nearly 30% of this forum still thinks voting will change anything, which simply tells me things are going to have to get a lot worse before there is even an attempt at a pushback. I just want to get away from it, that is all.

The main diference I can see between US and Europe is free health care and more violence in US side. Europe much more regulation and bureaucracy. Less money also.

Southern France probably best bet. Spain and Portugal also good. Portugal had an incredible regime. Which ended.

Getting into social circles in these countries requires work or study. Opening a simple real estate company is a great way to know people. Managing expat houses for example. Something with low taxation. Or you will witness Europe tax hell. Never open normal business like restaurant or stores. This is asking to get tax raped.

Eastern Europe is a shithole(beautiful women) Northern Europe equally bad. With fags and whores everywhere.

If I was american I would move to southern France and receive income from US.

With money and assets. Its easy to get a residency permit in any place in Europe. You get something like a retired permit. Proof you make 1400€/month from passive income.

Dont go for the investment visas. Those are much more expensive and are tailored for people who only reside little time in the country. Normal permits are generally 2 years out of 5 maximum time you can live outside.

Retirement visas are handled directly in embassies i believe. And are pretty straightforward. Show Bank balance. With 5k/month you can live quite well in France. Free health care etc.

With a good lawyer its easy to get. I would probably pick aix en provence area. But you need to have an activity there to engage with normal people and create social circle. Real estate people are very social.

Working 7 days a week is madness. Maybe when young and want to establish yourself. But only 6.

Europe is not a place to make money. Its a tax regulation hell. But with good quality of life. France in the 80/90 was probably the best country in the world.

Probably inside US there are also good alternatives.

Writting from my phone. Will write a more detailed datasheet with time.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Meh more of the same.

The better thing to do is ignore all this and just focus on making yourself a better Christian, find a suitable woman, work and have kids and stop worrying about all this shit in the world outside of your control.

There's plenty of people doing it all over the country.

Enough with the sky is falling bullshit. It's beyond tedious.

This is good advice, for someone living in 2005. "Work hard" used to be something you could just take for granted. There were plenty of jobs, you just had to work hard. In 2025, it is the era of mass layoffs, mass immigration, mass Indian fraud destroying job opportunities, and mass inflation, working hard is a luxury and often still not enough. That is the world we now live and this is the world I am trying to prepare to raise kids in.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

The main diference I can see between US and Europe is free health care and more violence in US side. Europe much more regulation and bureaucracy. Less money also.

Southern France probably best bet. Spain and Portugal also good. Portugal had an incredible regime. Which ended.

Getting into social circles in these countries requires work or study. Opening a simple real estate company is a great way to know people. Managing expat houses for example. Something with low taxation. Or you will witness Europe tax hell. Never open normal business like restaurant or stores. This is asking to get tax raped.

Eastern Europe is a shithole(beautiful women) Northern Europe equally bad. With fags and whores everywhere.

If I was american I would move to southern France and receive income from US.

With money and assets. Its easy to get a residency permit in any place in Europe. You get something like a retired permit. Proof you make 1400€/month from passive income.

Dont go for the investment visas. Those are much more expensive and are tailored for people who only reside little time in the country. Normal permits are generally 2 years out of 5 maximum time you can live outside.

Retirement visas are handled directly in embassies i believe. And are pretty straightforward. Show Bank balance. With 5k/month you can live quite well in France. Free health care etc.

With a good lawyer its easy to get. I would probably pick aix en provence area. But you need to have an activity there to engage with normal people and create social circle. Real estate people are very social.

Working 7 days a week is madness. Maybe when young and want to establish yourself. But only 6.

Europe is not a place to make money. Its a tax regulation hell. But with good quality of life. France in the 80/90 was probably the best country in the world.

Probably inside US there are also good alternatives.

Writting from my phone. Will write a more detailed datasheet with time.

Excellent, thank you!

You are correct, there is far more crime, and healthcare is the USA is insanely expensive. In the USA we have probably about the same regulations and bureaucracy, and our tax rate is not far behind much of Europe, but we get nothing for our taxes. Our taxes all go to pay for third world people to sit at home and plot crimes and turn larger swaths of our land into violent third world hellholes. If you are married with kids, you can expect your health insurance to cost $2,000 a month, and that is very low/bad insurance. I have done COL comparisons, and Europe is pretty much on par with the USA, despite our healthcare being so expensive. Also, your women over there are way better than in the USA. The women in the USA are not really women, they are just consumerist bots who only get happiness by buying junk or overpriced cars and living in McMansions so that even those making $250,000 a year are living paycheck to paycheck. There was just a study on Bloomberg that showed even those in this income range are living paycheck to paycheck, and some are even starring to default on credit. The ways American women can find to waste money is pretty sickening.

This is the reason I have worked 7 days a week for 25 years straight. The only reason I am ahead of the game is my age, there were more opportunities when I was young v. today, the fact I have worked 7 days for 25 years straight and saved every penny and invested it, and by avoiding women. Due to these reasons, I am ahead of the game, but I am far from financially free to just pick up and move or start a family here, without worries of layoffs.

Thank you for the great reply, I do appreciate it, and I think others will find great use in it.

 

[Giordano Bruno]

In the west, the satanic elites and their lap dogs win. The rest of us are getting crushed, whether you want to face up to this reality or not, it is still the truth.

For Satan to win, he just has to get you to stop having Faith in God. That's it. That's why Saint Anthony the Great was told by the Holy Spirit the Sword that would cut all of Satan's snares was humility.

Because in the end, the thing that causes people to stop believing in God is always pride.

This is scientifically proven. People who are less exposed to examples of people proving their faith with action are the most likely to become atheist. Things like regularly going to Church, following the Bibles rules, repenting of sins, facing persecution when necessary and martyrdom.

I found out earlier while looking up how people become atheists.

The inevitable result of a lack of good works, is that the most prideful among us judge those who sin or are hypocrites, and decide in their vanity, to judge God for the actions of his children.

It's not wars and poverty that make atheists become religious. Wars and poverty cause us to grow humility and understand those around us. Which of us did not become more religious in recent years as we saw things breaking down, and reached out desperately for hope?

Matthew 7:3
King James Version
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

This was the video I learned this from. Every act that leads to people not following the Bible, is in essence an argument for Atheism, for if you believe God will judge you after death, you will show it with your actions. Satan is behind every excuse, every lie, every twisting of scripture and faith.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

For Satan to win, he just has to get you to stop having Faith in God. That's it. That's why Saint Anthony the Great was told by the Holy Spirit the Sword that would cut all of Satan's snares was humility.

Because in the end, the thing that causes people to stop believing in God is always pride.

This is scientifically proven. People who are less exposed to examples of people proving their faith with action are the most likely to become atheist. Things like regularly going to Church, following the Bibles rules, repenting of sins, facing persecution when necessary and martyrdom.

I found out earlier while looking up how people become atheists.

The inevitable result of a lack of good works, is that the most prideful among us judge those who sin or are hypocrites, and decide in their vanity, to judge God for the actions of his children.

It's not wars and poverty that make atheists become religious. Wars and poverty cause us to grow humility and understand those around us. Which of us did not become more religious in recent years as we saw things breaking down, and reached out desperately for hope?

Matthew 7:3
King James Version
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

This was the video I learned this from. Every act that leads to people not following the Bible, is in essence an argument for Atheism, for if you believe God will judge you after death, you will show it with your actions. Satan is behind every excuse, every lie, every twisting of scripture and faith.

I have never stopped having faith in God. But in a realistic timeline, given my age, I have serious concerns about having faith in a system run by satanic elites. Sure, it will eventually be toppled, but time isn't on my side, and it is a reality that I must work with.

 

[Giordano Bruno]

I have never stopped having faith in God. But in a realistic timeline, given my age, I have serious concerns about having faith in a system run by satanic elites. Sure, it will eventually be toppled, but time isn't on my side, and it is a reality that I must work with.

For that you must pray to God, for what advice could I possibly give you?

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

For that you must pray to God, for what advice could I possibly give you?

None, I am not looking for advice. I am just discussing the real-life impacts of living in a society that is in decline, as the topic of the thread.

 

[jayco]

The main diference I can see between US and Europe is free health care and more violence in US side. Europe much more regulation and bureaucracy. Less money also.

Southern France probably best bet. Spain and Portugal also good. Portugal had an incredible regime. Which ended.

Getting into social circles in these countries requires work or study. Opening a simple real estate company is a great way to know people. Managing expat houses for example. Something with low taxation. Or you will witness Europe tax hell. Never open normal business like restaurant or stores. This is asking to get tax raped.

Eastern Europe is a shithole(beautiful women) Northern Europe equally bad. With fags and whores everywhere.

If I was american I would move to southern France and receive income from US.

With money and assets. Its easy to get a residency permit in any place in Europe. You get something like a retired permit. Proof you make 1400€/month from passive income.

Dont go for the investment visas. Those are much more expensive and are tailored for people who only reside little time in the country. Normal permits are generally 2 years out of 5 maximum time you can live outside.

Retirement visas are handled directly in embassies i believe. And are pretty straightforward. Show Bank balance. With 5k/month you can live quite well in France. Free health care etc.

With a good lawyer its easy to get. I would probably pick aix en provence area. But you need to have an activity there to engage with normal people and create social circle. Real estate people are very social.

Working 7 days a week is madness. Maybe when young and want to establish yourself. But only 6.

Europe is not a place to make money. Its a tax regulation hell. But with good quality of life. France in the 80/90 was probably the best country in the world.

Probably inside US there are also good alternatives.

Writting from my phone. Will write a more detailed datasheet with time.

Man you mention all these places which are mostly full of migrants or weird locals. My family member used to love Southern France decades ago but the last visit was...interesting. You call Eastern Europe an s-hole, but compared to places like Poland the entire Southern Europe is a true s-hole, overrun with tourists and expats too (not to even mention weird Southern mentality, which is not even like the first country mentality) or compared to, say, Finland or Lithuania. Anyway Sweden and Norway are awesome compared to all these Southern Europe places which are way too close to Africa. Southern Europe is good for a visit just for climate and sea, may be.

 

[jayco]

If someone has to work, job situation in Spain and Portugal is atrocious, even if you have a local degree and fluent in the language. If one isn't retired and looking to move to Europe got to look at up and coming countries. Ireland had pretty good job sutuation lately and US expats don't have the language barrier.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Women and kids are much more susceptible to the society around them than us. We can do it. I don't think they can.

Sure they can. They did it for thousands of years (lived in rural simplicity). It's not an issue of skill sets and coping mechanisms it's a matter of will. Male leadership is the issue. Men have become soft and feminized and have become just as addicted to the ease of shopping at Walmart as women and children have. If men toughen up, women and children will follow.

If you ask them to live the same life you are capable of - a simple, stripped down, (in my opinion) beautiful life - I guarantee you - you will be risking some crazy psychological issues with a wife and things like meth addictions from kids because they will not be able to deal with the disconnection from "society" like we can.

I have my eye on the Amish.

Exactly. The Amish are a great example of living this way while not turning their kids into drug addicts and their women into bat sh*t crazy tatted up feminist Only Fans whores.

 

[jayco]

Depends on what you mean by "successful" and then looking at the trajectory of this country, I would disagree with it being on the easiest.

I'm very tired of all the fake "success" stuff being promoted (usually fully indebted kind of "success"). Competition with the Jonses too, on the personal level, debt fueled too. On the country level, means huge debt and the need to import tons of migrants to continue with their exponential growth scam.
If one has the opportunity, economically, mentally and culturally cooler countries are much better, calmer places to live. Access to healthcare and lack of pressure cooker mentaity

If I was wealthy, I would move to Europe, have kids, and spend my time with them and working very low stress work to keep my mind busy. But I am not at that level yet, so I keep working my 7 day a week schedule.

You do not need to be wealthy, lots of people had been getting IT jobs in Northern Europe lately, so depends on the field of work. There are ways. People move to Europe without any money at all. 7 days a week work that you are doing is very hard and this amount of effort should open all kinds of doors for you already

In the west, the satanic elites and their lap dogs win. The rest of us are getting crushed, whether you want to face up to this reality or not, it is still the truth.

True

 

[jayco]

You only have 300K in assets and are in your 50's? How do you plan to get by when you are too old to work?

That's like 1.5x more than median net worth of Americans in their 50s. And SSA is going bankrupt next decade while debt is almost 40T. Fun times ahead.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I'm very tired of all the fake "success" stuff being promoted (usually fully indebted kind of "success"). Competition with the Jonses too, on the personal level, debt fueled too. On the country level, means huge debt and the need to import tons of migrants to continue with their exponential growth scam.
If one has the opportunity, economically, mentally and culturally cooler countries are much better, calmer places to live. Access to healthcare and lack of pressure cooker mentaity


You do not need to be wealthy, lots of people had been getting IT jobs in Northern Europe lately, so depends on the field of work. There are ways. People move to Europe without any money at all. 7 days a week work that you are doing is very hard and this amount of effort should open all kinds of doors for you already


True

Yes, Africans and Arabs are paid to move to Europe. As far as I am aware, for a White American to move there, they will put as many roadblocks in front of you as possible, unless you are already with a big corporation who needs you to move over.

 

[jayco]

Yes, Africans and Arabs are paid to move to Europe. As far as I am aware, for a White American to move there, they will put as many roadblocks in front of you as possible, unless you are already with a big corporation who needs you to move over.

Not really that bad, whites relocate to Europe just fine without much money, the roadblock to clear is legal status. A lot depends on what kind of work people do, getting work visa is easier with IT profession, but many whites just do construction jobs, even.

 

[jayco]

God put man in the garden to tend it. Work predates the fall of man and subsequent curse.

Adam and Eve tending the garden of Eden is hardly comparable to all the pressure cooker slave labor or corporate work in America! More comparable to after expulsion from Eden and "the ground is cursed because of you. All your life you will struggle to scratch a living from it".
Tending paradisical garden is not really possible here for work on the grounds of toxic pesticides everywhere alone lol.

 

[jayco]

Man living in a cave without moneys in America had been tried in modern Alaska many times. Usually involved food stamps, Medicaid coverage, free homesteading land and some sort of pension. I heard "mental disability" was a popular one to snag , unless one had VA or something. Hardly pulled by own bootstraps. It's all good till the teeth are gone and your truck needs 15k to fix. Or meth head neighbors start their little business next door. In those places end up worrying going on a shopping trip, as they sometimes load the entire cabin on a flatbed and gone. All better be chained down.