Pope Leo XIV (General Discussion)
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Amen.
Meet the new pope, same as the old pope. This is the same scam as democracy - naive masses hope that the next guy will fulfill their wishes but it never comes.
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Yes. Francis was liberal and stacked the college of cardinals with others like him, then the population the next pope is being chosen from is already rotten. This is how all institutions work. I laugh when people think a new leader will change things. It’s only happened once in my lifetime and that was with Trump, a guy who doesn’t care to shake things up. The institutions are already subverted. Where are all these politicians and leaders being chosen from? The pope is going to choose people like him as Cardinals who in turn keep the same policies.
Thus the stuff from Cupich, who incidentally was in Chicago for a long while, where Leo is from originally.
These modern popes are all antichrists.
He didnt say that. He said Lebanon was an example of dialogue and respect between religions. This was his point. Lebanon in fact is truly a shithole. Which was considered the Switzerland of the middle east before muslims with their monkey religion mentality took over. And while I don´t respect any other religion besides christianity because they are all retarded vomit shit. Still I don´t think we can go to war with the rest of the world. Or maybe we can but now at least it´s not the time. This Pope is much better than Francis.
Vatican commission says 'no' to women as Catholic deacons
Discussions over women becoming deacons, who are ordained and can assist with services but cannot celebrate Mass, have convulsed the 1.4 billion-member Church.
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Dude he’s arguing against restricting Muslims from entering Europe. Wake up.
So were the medieval ones. The only ones that were solid were some of the early ones such as Gregory the Great and Leo the Great.
The first name alone is suspect, yeah, let a Gruenfeld from David Horowitz Freedom Centre tell us what to think, hello my fellow whites, lookie here. What else should we know? Of course I detest the ayatollahs and their regime, I like it a lot more when Muslims have secular atheistic dictators like Hoxha or Kemal.
He says nothing to that effect, did you listen to it at all, he talks about peaceful relations, "dialogue and respect", he gave a really vague, bland response- without answering anything conclusively- to a subtle gotcha question from a Muslim journalist. We need peace, we need to play nice with the other kids; if you want to hear the straight talk, you need to speak with your priest in private if you know each other well.
Europeans have been digging their own grave for a long while without listening to the Church- the Irish have elected immigrants recently, what can the Pope tell them now, that they're morons, Trump style, he's too polite- especially in public, in private Pope Francis once quipped "too much faggotry" referencing the abuse scandals.
He should have just been straight up.
“Muslims are invaders and even those Muslims who are ‘peaceful’ are still contributing to white genocide and the great replacement in Europe because their children have a greater chance of growing up to be terrorists.”
Let me guess, mentioning white genocide, the great replacement, and children being potential terrorists is “beyond the pale”?
If so, such an attitude is the reason for our problems. The pope is supposed to speak harsh truths, no exceptions.
In that clip Leo is either on the way to, or returning from a visit to Turkey or Lebanon, do people really think he's gonna rebuff that Islamic journalist with WN truth bombs in that setting?
The Pope is also the head Vatican diplomat. An ambassador who- in public- will never aggressively attack Hindus, Buddhists, or Jews for that matter. What is there to gain from that? Their representatives will always openly say they're our friends too, what do people not understand here?
He's not speaking as if he were some oracle there, why do people attach so much importance to that. He's just talking the talk. Ask Mike Rowe how it is out in the real world, everybody nods in agreement giving lip service to the safety first mantra because this is what you gotta say, then you get to work and it's safety third no matter what has just been said.
This is not his job when engaging the wider public. You're in the wrong room, this is not a closed audience. He's on the world's stage, not behind closed doors in the war room. This is not some remote, isolated church and pulpit. If you need the Pope to tell you the most basic truths, if up to now you haven't learned anything from being alive, from family, or priests and catechists, then you're a hopeless case anyway, only God can help you if you humble yourself.
This is life, do you get in people's faces at work or in social gatherings to express your ideological disagreement, or do you smile and say what you need to say as appropriate, and proceed to do what you will anyway. The Pope is not a loud-mouth internet influencer looking for likes. Nobody says the things best discussed in private at the family dinner, while standing on a street corner and shouting at passers-by.
He said what magoo says, in Lebanon the two sides get along for better or worse. The Pope knows it's tragic when any country becomes minority Christian. Stoking antagonisms will not help that minority when things have changed that much, they themselves know their misery and their enemy best, outsiders should understand.
In the interbellum Poland (1918-1939) if a Polish pupil beat up a Jewish one for a good reason, the headmaster would have scolded and reprimanded him publicly for all to see, but hen take him aside at the first opportunity to congratulate him in private.
I don't know who needs the Pope to hold their hand while making simple choices. To me, people needing the pope to tell them the obvious is as bad as it gets. I never watched a lot of television- being outside was better- I remember that Hindu character from the Simpsons, as a 5th or 6th grader in Poland in the 90s, how outrageous and offensive it seemed, how could Americans tolerate that, do people really need outsiders to point things like that out.
They don't listen to the pope when he talks about sexual or just morality in general, it's like in the bible, even if someone long deceased returned to warn them, they wouldn't listen.
Even pope John Paul II had a lot of easily manipulated- but also genuine- Polish haters. Since childhood it seemed to me that 50 to 70% of churchgoers were against the Catholic Church- from overhearing their convos while walking back from church on Sundays- "the priest has cars, women, houses, kids", the pedo stuff hadn't been popularized yet- it was all BS, but the dark souls reveled in it. Looked more like their whole reason for attending was based more on superstitious beliefs and the fear of falling out of favor with God, and loosing the blessings- placate the gods or else. I'm simplifying but that was my overall impression and I'm not surprised the number of practicing people is down to 35 or 40% of all declared believers.
As godless and greedy European cucks have let millions of kebaps in unchecked, by voting for the devil's bargain- which socialist policies always are- for decades, what is the Pope to do now, should he tell these dumb suckers the truth about them? There's nothing he can say that will change this. Even now, very moderate in their messaging, far Right parties see very little support despite everything falling apart all around. But foreigners have always given at least 90% of their votes to the other side, and without any extra cheerleading from their religious leaders.
The Pope was against the French Revolution but it did nothing to change the people's minds. When Poland disappeared at the end of the XVIII century, he wouldn't openly support our cause against Russia- he had hoped the tsar could help put out the fire in France, which didn't happen, but he also understood Poland collapsed from internal corruption- you made your bed, what do you want me to say now.
All of my life I've seen and remember how the Catholic Church was pointing the way, and how the hoi polloi kept ignoring the warnings. In 1991 during his visit to Poland, Pope John Paul II said Europe had two paths to choose- freedom in Christ, or freedom from Christ:
The truth will set you free," said Christ (John 8:32). Yes, "the truth will set you free." This is an extention of the eighth commandment.
Let us strive to discover the full meaning and value of truth: truth that liberates—freedom through truth. Never outside the truth. Outside the truth, freedom is not freedom. It is an illusion. It is even enslavement.
And from this truth, which a person practices, in which they strive to shape their life and coexistence with others, leads the path to the Truth, which is Christ. This path leads to the freedom to which Christ has freed us.
This is the perspective of our times. Between the freedom to which Christ has freed us and continues to free us, and the abandonment of Christ in the name of the freedom so often so loudly promoted. The freedom to which Christ has freed us is one path. The other path is freedom from Christ. Because such superficial words are often used here, such as "clericalism" and "anti-clericalism," but at the bottom, it's about one thing: the freedom to which Christ has liberated us, or freedom from Christ? These are the two paths that Europe is taking and will certainly take. Europe has a special connection with Christ; evangelization began here, but it is also here that various forms of abandonment of Christ, programs of abandonment of Christ, were born and continue to be born. And this duality, this crossroads, also opens before us. The freedom to which Christ liberates us, freedom through the truth. The truth liberates you. Or perhaps freedom from Christ [from] the path of the Gospel and the Eucharist.
I used google translate, full speech link:
Messa per i fedeli della diocesi di Warmia, 6 giugno 1991
Messa per i fedeli della diocesi di Warmia, 6 giugno 1991
From a reply to the tweet you posted:
Lebanese Christians, my impression is, consider Israel a greater threat and menace than Hezbollah or Hamas. To me of course kebaps are worse, they're an existential physical threat, in their eyes you're better dead than non-believing, rejecting their lies is so disrespectful and problematic that they want to kill you.
Jews are harmless if you're smart, it's not a point of contention, they don't insist you convert and join them. I'll be alright in a laicized, atheistic country, Islam would be almost impossible to survive.
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So he should appeal to large audiences because white genocide is too much of a truth bomb? Such weak sauce. This is why I can’t respect Catholics, those foreign countries deserve to have white genocide theory pushed on them.In that clip Leo is either on the way to, or returning from a visit to Turkey or Lebanon, do people really think he's gonna rebuff that Islamic journalist with WN truth bombs in that setting?
The Pope is also the head Vatican diplomat. An ambassador who- in public- will never aggressively attack Hindus, Buddhists, or Jews for that matter. What is there to gain from that? Their representatives will always openly say they're our friends too, what do people not understand here?
He's not speaking as if he were some oracle there, why do people attach so much importance to that. He's just talking the talk. Ask Mike Rowe how it is out in the real world, everybody nods in agreement giving lip service to the safety first mantra because this is what you gotta say, then you get to work and it's safety third no matter what has just been said.
This is not his job when engaging the wider public. You're in the wrong room, this is not a closed audience. He's on the world's stage, not behind closed doors in the war room. This is not some remote, isolated church and pulpit. If you need the Pope to tell you the most basic truths, if up to now you haven't learned anything from being alive, from family, or priests and catechists, then you're a hopeless case anyway, only God can help you if you humble yourself.
This is life, do you get in people's faces at work or in social gatherings to express your ideological disagreement, or do you smile and say what you need to say as appropriate, and proceed to do what you will anyway. The Pope is not a loud-mouth internet influencer looking for likes. Nobody says the things best discussed in private at the family dinner, while standing on a street corner and shouting at passers-by.
He said what magoo says, in Lebanon the two sides get along for better or worse. The Pope knows it's tragic when any country becomes minority Christian. Stoking antagonisms will not help that minority when things have changed that much, they themselves know their misery and their enemy best, outsiders should understand.
In the interbellum Poland (1918-1939) if a Polish pupil beat up a Jewish one for a good reason, the headmaster would have scolded and reprimanded him publicly for all to see, but hen take him aside at the first opportunity to congratulate him in private.
I don't know who needs the Pope to hold their hand while making simple choices. To me, people needing the pope to tell them the obvious is as bad as it gets. I never watched a lot of television- being outside was better- I remember that Hindu character from the Simpsons, as a 5th or 6th grader in Poland in the 90s, how outrageous and offensive it seemed, how could Americans tolerate that, do people really need outsiders to point things like that out.
They don't listen to the pope when he talks about sexual or just morality in general, it's like in the bible, even if someone long deceased returned to warn them, they wouldn't listen.
Even pope John Paul II had a lot of easily manipulated- but also genuine- Polish haters. Since childhood it seemed to me that 50 to 70% of churchgoers were against the Catholic Church- from overhearing their convos while walking back from church on Sundays- "the priest has cars, women, houses, kids", the pedo stuff hadn't been popularized yet- it was all BS, but the dark souls reveled in it. Looked more like their whole reason for attending was based more on superstitious beliefs and the fear of falling out of favor with God, and loosing the blessings- placate the gods or else. I'm simplifying but that was my overall impression and I'm not surprised the number of practicing people is down to 35 or 40% of all declared believers.
As godless and greedy European cucks have let millions of kebaps in unchecked, by voting for the devil's bargain- which socialist policies always are- for decades, what is the Pope to do now, should he tell these dumb suckers the truth about them? There's nothing he can say that will change this. Even now, very moderate in their messaging, far Right parties see very little support despite everything falling apart all around. But foreigners have always given at least 90% of their votes to the other side, and without any extra cheerleading from their religious leaders.
The Pope was against the French Revolution but it did nothing to change the people's minds. When Poland disappeared at the end of the XVIII century, he wouldn't openly support our cause against Russia- he had hoped the tsar could help put out the fire in France, which didn't happen, but he also understood Poland collapsed from internal corruption- you made your bed, what do you want me to say now.
All of my life I've seen and remember how the Catholic Church was pointing the way, and how the hoi polloi kept ignoring the warnings. In 1991 during his visit to Poland, Pope John Paul II said Europe had two paths to choose- freedom in Christ, or freedom from Christ:
The truth will set you free," said Christ (John 8:32). Yes, "the truth will set you free." This is an extention of the eighth commandment.
Let us strive to discover the full meaning and value of truth: truth that liberates—freedom through truth. Never outside the truth. Outside the truth, freedom is not freedom. It is an illusion. It is even enslavement.
And from this truth, which a person practices, in which they strive to shape their life and coexistence with others, leads the path to the Truth, which is Christ. This path leads to the freedom to which Christ has freed us.
This is the perspective of our times. Between the freedom to which Christ has freed us and continues to free us, and the abandonment of Christ in the name of the freedom so often so loudly promoted. The freedom to which Christ has freed us is one path. The other path is freedom from Christ. Because such superficial words are often used here, such as "clericalism" and "anti-clericalism," but at the bottom, it's about one thing: the freedom to which Christ has liberated us, or freedom from Christ? These are the two paths that Europe is taking and will certainly take. Europe has a special connection with Christ; evangelization began here, but it is also here that various forms of abandonment of Christ, programs of abandonment of Christ, were born and continue to be born. And this duality, this crossroads, also opens before us. The freedom to which Christ liberates us, freedom through the truth. The truth liberates you. Or perhaps freedom from Christ [from] the path of the Gospel and the Eucharist.
I used google translate, full speech link:
Messa per i fedeli della diocesi di Warmia, 6 giugno 1991
Messa per i fedeli della diocesi di Warmia, 6 giugno 1991www.vatican.va
From a reply to the tweet you posted:
Lebanese Christians, my impression is, consider Israel a greater threat and menace than Hezbollah or Hamas. To me of course kebaps are worse, they're an existential physical threat, in their eyes you're better dead than non-believing, rejecting their lies is so disrespectful and problematic that they want to kill you.
Jews are harmless if you're smart, it's not a point of contention, they don't insist you convert and join them. I'll be alright in a laicized, atheistic country, Islam would be almost impossible to survive.
You should asap open the '200 years together' podcast.
A Muslim reporter is recording this interview for a Muslim media company to show to audiences in the ME. A Jew tries to capitalize on it to hurt the Pope and create division.
Speak softly and carry a big stick, I like incendiary talk too, that's how the Pope talked in the days of Lepanto and the Catholic League while gathering Christian forces for battle, anyway- it's not feasible in 2025 in my opinion like I said in the comment above, the patriarch of Russia is as cautious and measured too but I may be wrong. In Yugoslavia it's fashionable to hate on one another openly so they have more leeway to articulate where they stand.
In Catholic media these things have always been addressed by patriot writers. People have had many 'prophets'. Most are too lazy to care and read, watch, or listen. Popes, bishops, and priests have addressed these issues- but not vocally when being guests in Muslim countries- it's all out there to be found, many speeches and encyclicals. As if an X post by an enemy could eclipse that or become the definitive judgment on this matter.
The way I see it, those who care don't need anybody to enlighten them, those who don't won't change anyway. Nobody pays attention to what the Pope says, they do as they please. If God was number one in their lives as the Church always reminds everybody, nothing more would be needed. Back in Poland, the unwashed- prodded by the ever present but hidden hand- always scream that the Church must stay away from politics, like it was a sacred cow. They will passively watch the king who repelled the Turks from Vienna in 1683 being erased from history as a reproachable person, to please the leftists- can't have that, it would hurt the kebaps' feelings.
What can the Pope do speaking out now, when many people have long since given up on religion. It's selfishness, it follows they must not care about other issues. Ireland went from majority Catholic to godless. It's idolatry to you, but the Virgin Mary told sister Agnes in Akita in the 70s that many nations will perish completely in the absence of serious repentance.
Anti immigrant demonstrations pop up in different places now that everyone can see how their hometowns and cities had changed, kinda late in the game.
In France, unions have seasonally taken to the streets to clash violently with cops, to demand more gibs, they give up going to work and risk physical trauma to extort the state- they're very capable when it matters to them, but won't be bothered to fight for bigger things. The Le Pen family's been active in politics since forever there, but never won big, this is not the Pope's fault.