Decline of Functioning Society

This isn't about individualism, well it is in a way, it is about crushing the brainwashing conservative politicians repeat that get their followers to believe in individualism.

This is about society as a whole. It is obviously collapsing. I can't even fathom being a member of this forum and not knowing this is the case. And if one of us makes it big, it doesn't change the trajectory of society and then eventually even that one person will be eaten alive by the giant crash.

How we go about fixing it is a different conversation. But to deny that society is collapsing, the very topic of this thread, and that it will impact everyone, is really a discussion I thought we were long past on this forum.
Oh no the sky is falling!

You know that people have been saying that since the time of Jesus Christ right?

But let's accept your premise.

So what? What actionable thing are you promoting individuals do?

Again how does any of this help your average person succeed daily?
 
I can see the bigger picture and am very much not a simpleton.

Black Rock and inflation are issues that need to be solved.

I'm merely pointing out that fixation these things that results in you not taking action for you own future growth is mental masturbation.

Learn to embrace controlling what you can control and ignoring the shiny scape goat.
Who here said anything about not taking action?

The action though, is to not buy into conservatism and to move to something that will actually fix the problem, rather than being the cause of the problem. Thus the most important discussions are...

"As long as the come legally is genocide and a satanic lie"

The economy is a mess under conservatives, just as it was under liberals, so we need a new way that isn't satanic capitalism.

And simply demographics are destiny. Import the third world, become the third world, until a stronger civilization comes along and kills everyone and takes the land for their own people.
 
Oh no the sky is falling!

You know that people have been saying that since the time of Jesus Christ right?

But let's accept your premise.

So what? What actionable thing are you promoting individuals do?

Again how does any of this help your average person succeed daily?
See above. We talk about how conservatives in the west are lying to us, how it is satanic, and from there you organize. It is the only path forward.
 
Young people today feel the same thing young people felt in 1990. They feel despair. In 1990 most everyone I knew who was under 30 was living in fear of not being able to pay their rent, buy groceries, find a high paying job, World War 3, and never being able to afford to buy their own home.

In 1990, the zeitgeist was pretty positive, Fukuyama was about to publish his book about the triumph of western neoliberalism, the Berlin Wall was falling and the Soviet empire collapsing, the four "tiger" economies were rising in east Asia, and in Europe there was plenty of exuberance over the EU economic union. There was a short-lived recession in 1990 but overall it was a period of growth everywhere, the effect of NAFTA and deindustrilization was only starting, lost in the noise.

As mentioned earlier, median home prices in cities like Chicago, Houston, Phoenix was around $100k, and still very affordable in cities like Boston, Seattle, Portland that are super expensive today, below $200k, so I am not sure about your statement of young people feeling despair in 1990, a time when 45% of 30yo were married homeowners:


Maybe it was a bad economy in your parts of the country ?
 
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I can see the bigger picture and am very much not a simpleton.
I didn’t call you a simpleton, I said that the response was of a simpleton mindset.
Black Rock and inflation are issues that need to be solved.
Correct.
I'm merely pointing out that fixation these things that results in you not taking action for you own future growth is mental masturbation.
No, that wasn’t stated in the earlier post.
 
I didn’t call you a simpleton, I said that the response was of a simpleton mindset.
Your comment is that it's a simpletons view point. Which means the owner of said view must be a simpleton.

I'm saying that just because I can reduce a complex thing into a simple thing doesn't mean I'm a simpleton.

You agree with that just dont like my simplified explanation view.
No, that wasn’t stated in the earlier post.
It's inferred. You said that inflation and black rock are preventing people from thriving... I saying that you can't control inflation or black rock but can make decisions in your day to day investment and actions that improve your life.

Again implied vs explicit language.
Who here said anything about not taking action?

The action though, is to not buy into conservatism and to move to something that will actually fix the problem, rather than being the cause of the problem. Thus the most important discussions are...

"As long as the come legally is genocide and a satanic lie"
Ok I mean sure. We can all agree and etho state of homogenous English/Scottish descended all operating under common ancestry is the best scenario.

Now we are 250 years after that and are living in reality.

For the current system to collapse so much bad will happen that the people thinking they'll be benefitted by it will be eaten by the collapse.

I am saying you should HOPE the current world order remains as you'll not be able to weather the incumbent storm of chaos if your described rebellion against the status quo is made manifest.
The economy is a mess under conservatives, just as it was under liberals, so we need a new way that isn't satanic capitalism.
Waiting for you to find that solution. We've tried all other systems here to for and this is still the best one.
And simply demographics are destiny. Import the third world, become the third world, until a stronger civilization comes along and kills everyone and takes the land for their own people.
Thank your for this history lesson.

I agree demographics equals destiny.

That why I have a shitload of kids.

This is all platitudes.
 
Your comment is that it's a simpletons view point. Which means the owner of said view must be a simpleton.
No it means it either comes from a simpleton or from a non simpleton making simpleton-esque arguments. If someone calls a statement and idiotic statement that doesn’t mean the person is an idiot just made a stupid statement.

Do better.
It's inferred. You said that inflation and black rock are preventing people from thriving... I saying that you can't control inflation or black rock but can make decisions in your day to day investment and actions that improve your life.

Again implied vs explicit language
improving your life won’t always end up resulting in thriving, especially when we see it on a macro scale.

It’s like when teachers in college grade with the premise some will fail, this means on average more will fail.
 
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No it means it either comes from a simpleton or from a non simpleton making simpleton-esque arguments. If someone calls a statement and idiotic statement that doesn’t mean the person is an idiot just made a stupid statement.

Do better.

You do better.

Occams Razor also says the simplest thing is mostly the truth.

So far all I've seen is complaints about shit outside of the immediate control of people here.

improving your life won’t always end up resulting in thriving, especially when we see it on a macro scale.
Yeah, sure.

But if we reduce your argument down to it's core it's effectively "you're fucked no matter what so why try"

It's a loser view point.

I don't know if you're a loser. But if reads that way with the constant negative outlook.

When is the last time you went to Church?
It’s like when teachers in college grade with the premise some will fail, this means on average more will fail.
What are you talking about?

So what. Most people are not willing to genuinely work hard . They want 9 to 5 and not be consumed by work.

Those of us who are unrelenting always out cycle.

That's what I think the place is missing. Tons of people bitching and likely that bitching turned to other pursuits would be exponentially more beneficial than worrying about Black Rock or inflation.
 
You do better.

Occams Razor also says the simplest thing is mostly the truth.

So far all I've seen is complaints about shit outside of the immediate control of people here.
Occams razor doesn’t “say” because it’s an abstract concept. Stop coming up with idiotic statements.
Yeah, sure.

But if we reduce your argument down to it's core it's effectively "you're fucked no matter what so why try"
Um, no. We’re pointing out that depending on the government to fix shit is a waste of time. In @The Penitent Man thread about voting you responded with a downvote, meaning you’re naive enough to believe voting matters.
It's a loser view point.


I don't know if you're a loser. But if reads that way with the constant negative outlook.
“I don’t know if you’re a loser, but I’m gonna assume you are without phrasing it that way in order to avoid being moderated.”

Grow a pair.
When is the last time you went to Church?
I went this past week. What does this have to do with this thread?
What are you talking about?

So what. Most people are not willing to genuinely work hard . They want 9 to 5 and not be consumed by work.

Those of us who are unrelenting always out cycle.
Holy shit you have a complete slave mindset. Working 9-5 is a 40 hour work week, no one should have to be “consumed with work” for more than that.

Nick Fuentes put it best:

That's what I think the place is missing. Tons of people bitching and likely that bitching turned to other pursuits would be exponentially more beneficial than worrying about Black Rock or inflation.
We want people to stop thinking voting matters, but when we call out you or samseau and the possibility of working for trump we get modded. Even though samseau in the past worked for the Trump campaign and admitted it on a public website.
 
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Ok I mean sure. We can all agree and etho state of homogenous English/Scottish descended all operating under common ancestry is the best scenario.

Now we are 250 years after that and are living in reality.

For the current system to collapse so much bad will happen that the people thinking they'll be benefitted by it will be eaten by the collapse.

I am saying you should HOPE the current world order remains as you'll not be able to weather the incumbent storm of chaos if your described rebellion against the status quo is made manifest.

Waiting for you to find that solution. We've tried all other systems here to for and this is still the best one.

Thank your for this history lesson.

I agree demographics equals destiny.

That why I have a shitload of kids.

This is all platitudes.
I would say just a simple European descent, which we had up until the Civil Rights Act, is what worked best, and is also very reasonable. The difference in an Anglo and a Nord or Med is extremely small. Especially when compared to someone from India.

You are correct, when the current system collapses it will be brutal. Lots of death and chaos. It would be nice to avoid this. The issue is, the people who really run this country either want this system to collapse, or are mismanaging things so badly it will collapse without them wanting it to do so, but it is coming. When exactly, we don't know, but all the signs of collapse are there and no one is doing anything meaningful to turn it around.

The solution is destroying conservatism. Getting good intentioned people, who vote conservative and think conservative to think a much better way is the biggest obstacle. No more individualism, no more silly debates about tax cuts, no more forever wars for Wall Street profits, no more capitalism. These are all very evil, truly satanic systems, and the conservative voter has been sucked into it as their only option to globalism. When they realize that there is a better way, and this is taking place right now among young men across the west, then that is when there is a chance of real change.
 
Occams razor doesn’t “say” because it’s an abstract concept. Stop coming up with idiotic statements.
Not sure what you're trying to say here.

The simplest explanation is usually the best one. That's what Occam's Razor means.

Stop having a hard time with reading comprehension and conceptual principles in argument.
Um, no. We’re pointing out that depending on the government to fix shit is a waste of time. In @The Penitent Man thread about voting you responded with a downvote, meaning you’re naive enough to believe voting matters.

“I don’t know if you’re a loser, but I’m gonna assume you are without phrasing it that way in order to avoid being moderated.”

Grow a pair.
Your whining does read like someone disgruntled and not drinking from the straw or abundance.

I still believe voting matters.

I went this past week. What does this have to do with this thread?
Good. Then you know that we are called to be thankful and grateful for our blessings.

You're still living in the most economically rich country in the history of the world.

And there are still plenty of pockets of sanity.
Holy shit you have a complete slave mindset. Working 9-5 is a 40 hour work week, no one should have to be “consumed with work” for more than that.
Holy shit you have a lazy person's mindset.

If you want to work 40 hours go ahead. But don't expect that you're gonna be rich doing the bare minimum.

People who are really successful tend to be consumed by their work and be passionate about it...

I can only assume you're unfulfilled by your work but I don't know.

I love doing what I'm doing for a living. I'm incredibly good at it and I find great value and fulfillment in providing a very comfortable life for my very large family as well as having my ego invested in being successful in my work endeavors.

If that makes me a slave then I suppose I'm guilty. But when I'm 65 with a very very large nest egg and fuck you money I'm pretty sure its quite the opposite of slavery.

Nick Fuentes put it best:


We want people to stop thinking voting matters, but when we call out you or samseau and the possibility of working for trump we get modded. Even though samseau in the past worked for the Trump campaign and admitted it on a public website.

You want people to do nothing and take the black pill and let the other side win because they are still going to vote.

Your want the self licking ice cream cone pity party of despair.
 
If you want to work 40 hours go ahead. But don't expect that you're gonna be rich doing the bare minimum.
This mindset right here, this is the root of the evil of capitalism and conservatism in the west, and it must be crushed.

We shouldn't even have to work 40 hours a week, and we wouldn't if we didn't import third worlders and constantly bailout Wall Street. But even at that, working 40, 50, 60 hours a week isn't enough for most people. Forget getting rich, most are working 40+ hours to just barely keep their head above water.

Who cares about "getting rich", life should be about enjoyment and purpose, not working like a slave for satanic elites to "get rich".
 
This mindset right here, this is the root of the evil of capitalism and conservatism in the west, and it must be crushed.

We shouldn't even have to work 40 hours a week, and we wouldn't if we didn't import third worlders and constantly bailout Wall Street. But even at that, working 40, 50, 60 hours a week isn't enough for most people. Forget getting rich, most are working 40+ hours to just barely keep their head above water.

Who cares about "getting rich", life should be about enjoyment and purpose, not working like a slave for satanic elites to "get rich".
Haha I hardly doubt having a strong work ethic to provide for my family is a sign of being the root of evil.

Aren't you working like 80 hours a week?

Agreed get rid of illegals.

Where did anyone say that wasn't the right thing to do?

But as far as not working 40 hours a week... I suppose you'd like UBI and the European model?
 
Haha I hardly doubt having a strong work ethic to provide for my family is a sign of being the root of evil.

Aren't you working like 80 hours a week?

Agreed get rid of illegals.

Where did anyone say that wasn't the right thing to do?

But as far as not working 40 hours a week... I suppose you'd like UBI and the European model?
Having a strong work ethnic is not a sigh of evil, I agree.

Telling others they must work long hours, to get rich, which is both untrue, and not a virtue, is the root of the conservatism message evil.

Getting rid of illegals is a start, we must get rid of a lot of legals as well, as the Indians turn our businesses upside down and turn them into Indian slave labor sweet shops via H-1B visas and outsourcing.

Working 40 hours a week, to make the satanic elite wealthier, is a wasted life, but we have no choice as well.
 
But as far as not working 40 hours a week... I suppose you'd like UBI and the European model?
What you both are getting at are hard topics for most people to handle, mostly because of modern society's scams, the money printer, stolen labor through inflation, propaganda and "immigration." That is, it's just like the (over)population boom and dysgenics, which effectively created a silly life and chaotic, gynocentric society. What happens in those? The above average men are scammed, expect more because of their harder work and productivity, and they are locked out but are actually objective quality in a way the grunt worker never was, but expects more.

Of course, the grunt worker always expects more, but largely this type didn't have or get much, ever in human history. If his family was lucky enough to get into the USA from 1900-1980 roughly, he might have had a top quality life for his added value, historically speaking.

My point is that in the scam economy of corporate and Chamber of Commerce lies, working harder and longer only makes sense in the context of a family that you are working for with a good wife (and kids). That's a very rare reality, if we're honest. As such, one should be an IC and/or entrepreneur, or find ways to get capital to invest. The problem with most people, and it's only important to point out on a thoughtful forum like this (because it'll never change), is that they either can't or won't stop consuming and be disciplined enough to save and invest, which is the literal life hack. It's also why women shouldn't have ever been any large(r) portion of the workforce; it causes too many dislocations and problems.

When you realize that only like 4-5 hours max per day are productive for most 8-5 or 9-5 workers, you realize the whole thing is just a rat race and hamster wheel system to keep people on the treadmill until it's too late. How many people are even in good enough shape to use money after 65, truly? Not many, it just becomes an old person's "psychological" benefit if they even have anything, thinking they need it when they don't. I see and know all sorts of people from age 70-90 that literally do nothing but worry about stuff all day long. Many of these currently have 100s of thousands to millions, and they are probably also the MOST supported by the government, which is another funny manifestation of clown world.

All in all, my point here is to recommend everyone to do your best to work sparingly and invest in assets, which gives you max freedom and the best tax treatment. Unless your life is "over" (I don't mean this in a bad way) and you have a family and can afford routine, and you want to get out of the house all day for obvious reasons, the dumbest thing you can do is be a cog in the system. I say this recognizing few have the will and the IQ/talent to pull it off, but I do believe that there should be a class of at least 10-20% of guys that do it, or try it. It's especially the case in "richer" developed economies, because those places currently in the world have the worst women and no reason to work, and those guys don't need really much more than like $60k/year to make ends meet anyway, as a "bad" year, which will be fine overall. What's the point of having a lot of money anyway if you can't even get a reasonable/behaved woman to make your life better? There isn't any.
 
I don't think the economic situation is "nightmarish", as much as the social situation. You could be missing meals, with nothing to your name, and white people have experienced such things throughout their history.

I think what's happening is the liberal social order has been absolutely obliterating western civilization, and everyone has been trying to bury their head in earning money/assets, consumerism and lifestyle. Ironically, liberals maybe most of all. The dread a lot of us feel today is the fact that we're going to be poor and all the leftist shit is coming home to roost at the same time. Some of us feel like a criminal who's on the run, our days being numbered. Soon the money cope will finish, and it will just be pain. Given the current "performance" of normies, I don't think the turnaround is going to be quick.

There are still good jobs, houses are still being built but these things are becoming rarer, and they're not as fulfilling as they should be. I think the people defending the system are essentially living in a bubble. It's like saying "there's no black people where I live". Look at the demographic numbers bro. It doesn't matter your area is white.

I don't truly care about house prices; I care that everything is super gay. I think most can guess why, but the biggest problem is the absence of male leadership in all aspects of society. A fundamental part of manhood is dealing and assessing threats. If society cannot provide safety, then that's a fundamental breakdown of order. It's like having a toddler being the man of the house. It's ridiculous. I think this type of stuff permeates everything else. Why am I working to be surrounded by hateful foreigners and retarded women?
 
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