Divorce

God's lonely asperger said:
Yes, I know how to read. You are still contrarian posting because of the word "Zion" and "Jew".

Zionists say you shouldn't divorce your wife and leave your kids traumatized? Those Zionists! READ THIS BIGGER TEXT!

Zionists say I should drink water? Watercucks seething over patriot kings dying of thirst!
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I have to agree that if a Jewish Ultrazionist writes a study showing consistent long term negative effects on children from divorce, I'm more likely to agree than turn into Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers screeching "JOOOOOOSSSS". A good anti-divorce study is a good anti-divorce study.

I also like water. The line about watercucks is hilarious!
 
Thomas More said:
I have to agree that if a Jewish Ultrazionist writes a study showing consistent long term negative effects on children from divorce, I'm more likely to agree than turn into Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers screeching "JOOOOOOSSSS". A good anti-divorce study is a good anti-divorce study.

I also like water. The line about watercucks is hilarious!
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Sometimes the jews tell the honest truth about things just to confuse us even more.
 
Plenty of Zionists are friendly to White Christians because they believe a strong America = Strong Israel.

She could have been telling the truth about Divorce for selfish reasons, and was still doing the right thing.

It's also a dig at Gentiles - Jews usually have very strong marriages, so a report about how poor Gentiles are getting divorced and raising miserable children is a way to express superiority over the poor inferior Gentiles, the same way many Whites write about Blacks.

That said the politics has nothing to do with this topic, which is divorce, and yes divorce is a horrible thing. That said adultery is not necessarily the end of a marriage, one spouse has the power to forgive the other. It's not easy but sometimes it's actually the far more Christian thing to do.
 
Samseau said:
Plenty of Zionists are friendly to White Christians because they believe a strong America = Strong Israel.

She could have been telling the truth about Divorce for selfish reasons, and was still doing the right thing.

It's also a dig at Gentiles - Jews usually have very strong marriages, so a report about how poor Gentiles are getting divorced and raising miserable children is a way to express superiority over the poor inferior Gentiles, the same way many Whites write about Blacks.

That said the politics has nothing to do with this topic, which is divorce, and yes divorce is a horrible thing. That said adultery is not necessarily the end of a marriage, one spouse has the power to forgive the other. It's not easy but sometimes it's actually the far more Christian thing to do.
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This is always reminds me of a story St Paisios told. He met a pilgrim who said he had seen the Uncreated Light, and St Paisios had the discernment to see that the man was not deluded. He inquired about what kind of life the man lived, that this should have happened. The man said that his wife had left him, committed adultery and gone off with someone else, and eventually ended up being a prostitute and living a terrible life. But the man never granted a divorce, he kept praying for her soul, trying to help her, because the salvation of her soul was more important to him than anything else. So he was granted such a tremendous comfort by God for the way in which he emulated Christ

A lot of redpilled guys would struggle with the one
 
I know a couple who is struggling on the brink of divorce. They have two kids, roughly 5 and 9, so in prime formative years and a split would be horrible. The mom stays at home but has started working part-time again because... the father has recently become a raging alcoholic. He was making decent money to support the family, but then lost his job, and then 5-6 more over the past few years. He works in a sales field where you get paid well, but get fired easily. It sounds like he drinks heavily, like blackout drunk on vodka and can barely get off the floor. She's had to call in sick for him, which is not a good look when you are a manager. Some people think he drinks so much he will just die like Matthew Perry.

The guy also took a HELOC or second mortgage against the home to start a business, but he had to leverage it aggressively, and that venture fell apart. So they owe double the price they bought their home for (it has appreciated so still has some equity).

Drinking that amount will ruin you physically, spiritually, emotionally. I also feel a bit for the guy in that his wife spends too much, like always wanting her and the kids to match. So the husband works, she blows it.

So far she's threatened divorce, begun working part-time to support herself and the family, and the grandparents expanded to a larger home so the family can come stay with them.

I wish I could just tell them, "He should humble himself and take a less volatile job that still pays the bills, obviously needs to go fully sober and she will simply have to spend less because they'll have a smaller income. Don't separate, and your kids will grow up more modest and also have some powerful life lessons." I don't know them well enough to give advice and I'm sure they've thought of that, but wanting to fix yourself and doing it are two different things.
 
Reaching mid 40s now means that I am seeing more families split. Not many, as I seem to run in pretty conservative circles despite the fact I live in the center of one of the most liberal cities in the world. But there is enough to notice.

One that really bothered me was a friend of my 8yo when they were in kindergarten. Kindergarten is typically one of the most special times as a parent, as the kids are full of love and fun. This little boy had a smile so big, that it was almost comical. And he was always smiling, lighting up the world for anyone who was there.

His parents divorced halfway through. His mom is one of those over educated hand rubbers. She is always stressed. Her appearance is a bit disheveled. Without knowing details, it seemed to eventually wear out the father. This little boy changed literally overnight. He lashed out toward everyone. His smile took a mean look, which turned out to just be his eyes. While the smile was the same, his eyes were not. This boy gained weight. Within a few weeks he had adapted to his new life and calmed down some, but that little guy everyone had fallen in love with was forever changed.

Going through rough patches with spouses is hard. Sometimes the mind turns to the 'what if?' scenario. It's usually from the purest selfish viewpoint, and the one that can wrap someone up in fantasy. But if both people are willing to work through it, the family always grows tighter. Kids especially are always listening with one ear. They are the most in tune with the energy of a home. So they are the ones most affected by our ups and downs.
 
Post on this: https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/unseen-consequences-the-emotional

Summary: This post reflects on the long-term consequences of divorce on children based on Judith Wallerstein's influential study. It argues that while divorce might seem like a solution to an unhappy marriage, it often has detrimental effects on children, particularly when it comes to their ability to form healthy, lasting relationships. Drawing from personal experience and societal trends, the piece suggests that staying in a marriage for the sake of children is often a better choice than divorce unless there is extreme abuse involved. It also critiques the current state of divorce laws and the societal influences that encourage divorce, emphasizing the importance of considering the impact on children before making such a decision.
 
Samseau said:
Plenty of Zionists are friendly to White Christians because they believe a strong America = Strong Israel.

She could have been telling the truth about Divorce for selfish reasons, and was still doing the right thing.

It's also a dig at Gentiles - Jews usually have very strong marriages, so a report about how poor Gentiles are getting divorced and raising miserable children is a way to express superiority over the poor inferior Gentiles, the same way many Whites write about Blacks.

That said the politics has nothing to do with this topic, which is divorce, and yes divorce is a horrible thing. That said adultery is not necessarily the end of a marriage, one spouse has the power to forgive the other. It's not easy but sometimes it's actually the far more Christian thing to do.
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If you were married and your wife cheated on you would you forgive her?
 
Iv almost been divorced quite a few times, thank God we are still together for the sake of our kids, I dont want to put myself on a pedestal or push my wife down because I have also been guilty of not doing things right but everytime we almost got divorced it was my wife who was trying to initiate it, its just the culture of the world thats influenced her in my opinion, its rare to find people who talk about relationships who encourage married couples to stay married and unfortunately thats the council my wife is exposing herself too which Iv highlighted to her.

We try as much as possible not to argue or fight around the kids when we do fight, sometimes we have though but in my opinion its not so bad for the kids to see a little of it because one day when they get married they will know that sometimes people can disagree and fight but in the end they make up and sort out their differences, this is how a realistic marriage looks like, its not perfect. My kids also see us hugging and kissing and laughing so they have seen both sides.

I think I have convinced my wife to stay married for the sake of the kids, I explained to her that the children also have needs and we cant put our needs above their needs, which is something she did admit she didnt think about properly, although she still kind of always says once the kids are fully grown and dont need us anymore she wants to leave which Im glad to hear because I dont want my kids to be harmed and Im prepared to go through difficult situations and suffering for their sake.

There are real reasons for a couple to get divorced but they are few and sometimes you can even prefer NOT to get divorced even if you have the green light for it.
 
Samseau said:
Plenty of Zionists are friendly to White Christians because they believe a strong America = Strong Israel.

She could have been telling the truth about Divorce for selfish reasons, and was still doing the right thing.

It's also a dig at Gentiles - Jews usually have very strong marriages, so a report about how poor Gentiles are getting divorced and raising miserable children is a way to express superiority over the poor inferior Gentiles, the same way many Whites write about Blacks.

That said the politics has nothing to do with this topic, which is divorce, and yes divorce is a horrible thing. That said adultery is not necessarily the end of a marriage, one spouse has the power to forgive the other. It's not easy but sometimes it's actually the far more Christian thing to do.
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She's an outlier in her community, usually they are assailing institutions like marriage.

Jews have slightly higher divorce rates than average.

AI Overview

The divorce rate among Jewish people is generally similar to the overall divorce rate in the general population, which is around 50%. However, some studies suggest that the rate may be slightly higher for Jewish couples. Divorce rates vary within the Jewish community, with Orthodox Jews having a significantly lower divorce rate than the general population.
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As to the discussion about Jesus' Jewish identity, that is their view:
 
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Why do some Christian churches teach that remarriage is adultery, unless the ex-wife/husband cheated? Or their ex pass away? I have heard this argument, particularly in the pentecostal and hard-line Baptist movement. What does the Bible really teach on the subject? I searched this forum and found references to very old canon. It was not really helpful to me.
 
Kido Butai said:
Why do some Christian churches teach that remarriage is adultery, unless the ex-wife/husband cheated? Or their ex pass away? I have heard this argument, particularly in the pentecostal and hard-line Baptist movement. What does the Bible really teach on the subject? I searched this forum and found references to very old canon. It was not really helpful to me.
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There is no divorce in the Catholic Church. Separation is permissible if the couple remain celibate, when living together leads to conflict, then to anger, and other sins. If a spouse leaves for another, he or she is an adulterer- persists in mortal sin.

The spouses participate in the act of God's creation, which the Church maintains is the purpose of marriage so this sacrament can be pronounced as having never been valid ex post facto, if one side had failed to disclose certain medical conditions like infertility or a terminal disease. Total honesty is expected so that both understand what they're entering into, in any event, all of that should come out during the marriage preparation process they go through with the pastor.

One Polish guy I know married an Irish girl who never told him she didn't want children, or at least not with a guy like him at that time. She was cheating with her boss, while he was deployed to Iraq, he'd joined the National Guard to get some help paying for engineering school, their marriage was annulled based on that prenuptial lack of transparency. After the dark period, and a lot of praying by his father who also went to Guadalupe to ask Our Lady for help, it turned out great for him in the end- a large gaggle of children with a real American country girl.

The Catholic Church cannot contradict the Gospel, her stance has always been like that of those Baptists you brought up.


This is Jesus speaking:


The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Notice how in the last sentence Jesus does not implicitly permit divorce, he just points out two instances of how a man can become an adulterer. If they are one flesh, as I see it, the immorality of one taints both. A pure woman shouldn't look for a divorced man, even if his wife is the guilty party.




As a Protestant you can look at this, where they discuss it further:

Anabaptists: What the Bible Says about Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage -- What does the exception clause mean?

Anabaptists presents 'What does the exception clause mean?' from What the Bible Says about Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage, a book by John Coblentz published by Christian Light Publications.
www.anabaptists.org

... espoused partners were referred to as husband and wife (see Matthew 1:19 and 20 -- "Joseph her husband" and "Mary thy wife"). Therefore to break an espousal in Jewish society required a legal separation -- a writing of divorcement equivalent to that required of married couples.

According to this view, Jesus' exception was aimed primarily at this Jewish situation. He was saying, in other words, that divorce is wrong, except the putting away of an espoused partner who is unfaithful during engagement.

Joseph was in such a predicament when he learned that Mary his espoused "wife" was with child. "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily"





In the Gospel of Mark it says:

And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


This is what Saint Paul says (suggested by Biblehub):


1 Corinthians 7:10-11

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


1 Corinthians 7:39

A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, as long as he belongs to the Lord.


Romans 7:2-3

For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
 
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Kido Butai said:
What does the Bible really teach on the subject? I searched this forum and found references to very old canon. It was not really helpful to me.
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NSOE said:
Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Notice how in the last sentence Jesus does not implicitly permit divorce, he just points out two instances of how a man can become an adulterer.
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I don't want to be like a Pharisee who misinterprets the law to suit his needs, what I took from the above Bible quote, is that a man who puts away his wife for fornication, and marries another, does not commit adultery, which in itself does not mean he is permitted to marry again, for the adultery committed by his first wife does not invalidate their marriage, and you cannot have two wives running around. Could it be because if you are one flesh, and she's defiled this union already, you cannot damage it further, this adulterous marriage? After all, Jesus indicated earlier that putting away your wife wasn't allowed in the beginning, without any specifics.

To support my reasoning, this is taken from the teaching Jesus gave in the Sermon on the Mount:

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

So what we have is:

1. If you divorce your wife because of her fornication, then you don't cause her to commit adultery.

This is obvious, she's caused it herself. In no way does this observation (statement of fact) mean you're free to marry again.

2. If you divorce your wife for any other reason, you become the cause of her committing of adultery.

If you divorce her and she later decides to find somebody else, you have been the cause of her sin. This too, illustrates how your wife becomes an adulteress. Again, this statement alone says nothing about the permissibility of divorce.

3. A man marrying any divorced woman, commits adultery.

Marrying a divorced woman- guilty of fornication or not- is adultery. A warning not to sin by marrying any female divorcees.


The Catholic Church permits separation if the couple can't get along anymore. Aside from maintaining a sense of family for the kids, they could possibly work something out as far as sex goes, unless they totally can't stand each other.

In a normal world, only the assets acquired after marriage would be subject to division in a divorce case, unless there's been a prenuptial agreement stating otherwise.
 
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