The Destruction of Modern Women

[It_Is_My_Time]

It's actually the other way around, women are repulsed by men. That's literally the problem. Not sure how you don't know that.

Fuentes doesn't really have any strengths that appeal to women. He's a one trick pony. He knows it and that's why he doesn't bother approaching women. The issue with guys like Fuentes is his only option is to enter a woman's frame. Essentially find a receptive woman and go with the flow. Be a dog at the dinner table. This is meant to be a transformative experience or a training exercise, as well as a cherry popper so a guy like Fuentes can level up some attributes. Basically, what you're advocating for with your "appreciation" of women being women.

The problem is women hate men and abuse them, and it comes out of left field. You don't really expect it from the women you're interested in but time after time it keeps happening. At such an advanced stage they're no longer your playmates. Your choices are a woman entering your frame through your effort, a woman seeing great social utility in you [pretty boy] and "volunteering" herself or using underhanded "tag 'em and bag 'em" loopholes for fleeting connections.

You approach women with your hand out and that hand is getting burned. Most men know this now and prefer a woman entering their frame to have a semblance of control. Most men are falling short of this goal. Women today are not interested and feel contempt for regular men holding basic frame. What's a man to do?

Fuentes' view on this issue is closer to mine than I realized.

I knew as a kid I could never be a beta male. I couldn't work 40 hours a week for 50 years and spend my free time being a dad. I am just not wired like that. I enjoy freedom and creativity far too much. I knew I would have to be financially secure first and then focus on having kids. Nick echoed the same sentiments on this. That as a man he would rather be fully free and in control than be henpecked. I am the same way.

It isn't that I don't like women or don't find similar interests. It is that if I put in 40 hours a week + another 10 hours commuting, the last thing I want to do in my rare free time is go to the Pumpkin patch or the mall or watch reality TV. I just can't do it. For the guys that can do this, kudos to you, you have my respect.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

That clip or commentary on what that Lila woman said was all over X for the last few days.

Well it’s worth noting that Catholics don’t believe the Bible when it says in Hebrews 13:4:

“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.”

Catholics believe a man must “finish” inside a woman, even though that’s not in the Bible. It is possible for spouses to engage in sexual activities without resulting in pregnancy if some precautions are taken, and it doesn’t need to be birth control pills or condoms.

 

[Australia Sucks]

these are the exact type of women that are going to be watching daytime TV at home all day and their knowledge and awareness of the world is going to be more limited so they aren't going to have much to talk about except TV shows, pop music, gossip, etc.

Again you seem to be confusing traditional and modern women.

A traditional woman who doesn't work would be cooking, baking, gardening, knitting, taking care of children, reading books, etc. She would not be glued to the TV. While the conversation with this type of woman wouldn't be super exciting it would be more like her talking about her garden or some new recipe she wanted to try or some cute thing the kids did etc rather than about some stupid TV show.

If I was married I would be getting my wife language tutors for her to learn various languages, having a library of paperback non fiction books and encouraging her to read them. I would be encouraging her to play sports as well, etc. If you have the right kind of traditional woman she will be following your lead and being productive rather than talking about sex and the city and going on Instagram. If I was married my wife would be banned from social media (I don't use social media and neither should she).

 

[Australia Sucks]

As an example, for conservative men aged 30+ this could reflect the desire for a woman who is: a virgin AND very beautiful AND under 25 AND goes to church weekly AND is unvaxxed (etc).

The difference however is that men are much more realistic.

Typically the men demanding all of these things are bringing something to the table unlike when an average woman demands a top 1% man. If I am wanting a young beautiful virgin I know I need to bring something to the table (e.g. being a charismatic millionaire) and am working on becoming that. Or some men might demand a young beautiful virgin but they are very tall and exceedingly handsome.

Its exceedingly rare to see Joe Sixpack demanding a young beautiful virgin for marriage. Unlike Karen, who thinks she is the star of the show and deserves nothing but the best, Joe six pack is well aware that he is merely average and will settle for an average woman. I personally have not met any Joe Sixpacks demanding a top tier woman have you?

 

[Wutang]

Again you seem to be confusing traditional and modern women.

A traditional woman who doesn't work would be cooking, baking, gardening, knitting, taking care of children, reading books, etc. She would not be glued to the TV. While the conversation with this type of woman wouldn't be super exciting it would be more like her talking about her garden or some new recipe she wanted to try or some cute thing the kids did etc rather than about some stupid TV show.

Actually I have explicitly stating that I was assuming that you guys would be getting traditional women in my posts above. On the basis that you guys do end up getting a traditional woman (who I have also assumed is going to be a virgin and hot to give you guys your ideal scenario) I was making the prediction you would be super bored while interacting with her once the initial thrill of youth and beauty wears off. I can't imagine a conversation with her on her baking is going to be more stimulating then a conversation with her on watching TV. What if she was watching a cooking show - would that provide the right amount of mental thrills and stimulation you need to find her interesting?

You seem to implicitly already know that spending time with her wouldn't be interesting since you have already stated your desire to avoid spending too much time around your wife. Something I find curious is that you also have said that you are planning to retire soon before you get married. How are you going to have an excuse to avoid being at home for most of the day if you don't have a job to go to?

 

[Australia Sucks]

Something I find curious is that you also have said that you are planning to retire soon before you get married. How are you going to have an excuse to avoid being at home for most of the day if you don't have a job to go to?

Men should have a lot of hobbies and be productive in retirement. Some guys like fixing old cars etc.

I have a lot that I want to accomplish in retirement like travelling more, learning multiple languages, taking up new sports, reading more, learning new skills and perhaps even gardening if I stay in one place long enough. I plan to have a very active retirement rather than just sitting and watching TV next to a woman.

And I will be encouraging the woman to have her own hobbies also. I think I would need to adjust the time spent with the woman based on what feels right it would be some trial and error to get to the goldilocks level of spending enough time together to feel connected but not too much time together so I feel bored or annoyed.

 

[Wutang]

A lot of what you have described of what you want out of life is more suitable for someone who is a bachelor rather then someone that wants a family life which is another point for remaining single - especially the part where you are saying there's a good chance you don't plan on staying in one place for very long.

 

[Australia Sucks]

A lot of what you have described of what you want out of life is more suitable for someone who is a bachelor rather then someone that wants a family life which is another point for remaining single - especially the part where you are saying there's a good chance you don't staying in one place for very long.

To be honest I’m not decided on my life plans just yet. I am certain I want virgin girlfriend and if that naturally evolves into marriage and a family over the course of time then so be it but if it doesn’t that is also okay. I’m not sure if I want to get married and have kids at this point but I may feel differently when I’m older. All I know for now is that I want a long term virgin girlfriend.

 

[Blade Runner]

I personally have not met any Joe Sixpacks demanding a top tier woman have you?

No, because generally men are realistic and if they are aware of how things are and are disappointed, they understand that now there aren't many 7s even, or they are all taken. Women, on the other hand, believe they can all get the 3 point higher guys that would never stick around even if they can see them on the TV or social media. Even if they don't really believe it they'll still hold out, effectively the same thing. It's all so tiresome.

 

[The Penitent Man]

The whole virgin girlfriend thing is like the female princess fantasy of getting her prince.






Reality:



This is just what you’re going to have to live with, or be single. With the former you bear the burden of having an intolerable woman around so you can work on creating a better life for your progeny, so hopefully future generations don’t have to endure this (though I suspect this has always been the case, to some extent). With the latter you work on your soul and die alone. I wish I had better news for you gentlemen. C’est la vie.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I never believed in Freud, but this thread has vindicated his Madonna/Whore complex theory for me. Not just this thread, but I've seen many men fall victim to it. Either you see woman as pure, chaste, madonnas. Or you see them as licentious whores. You see the nurturing quality and sexual quality of women as two wholly separate things and never the twain shall meet. This mindset does not reflect reality. The truth is more like a spectrum than a rigid dichotomy.

 

[Blade Runner]

The truth is more like a spectrum than a rigid dichotomy.

I think we agree, in reality, you just draw the conclusions that you want from the thread.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

... I’m not decided on my life plans just yet.

Approaching 40 with no "life" plans? Better get on with it mate as your life is already halfway over.

I am certain I want virgin girlfriend...

But you just said you haven't decided on any life plans yet? And so the only plan(s) you've made are around the issues of human sexuality? This sounds like the talk of a sex addict. And to get a pretty 7+ virgin in 2025 you're looking at a 20 year age gap. This might work temporarily for Leo DiCaprio but I'm guessing you don't have his level of social proof and status. A couple of million dollars isn't enough "status" for a late blooming 40 year-old who lives with his parents to keep a hot 20 year-old virgin obedient, faithful, loyal, and hanging on his every word and command in 2025. Money, good looks, and tight game combined aren't even enough, the only way to maintain a 20-year age gap in 2025 is for a man to be famous.

... and if that naturally evolves into marriage and a family over the course of time then so be it but if it doesn’t that is also okay.

This is not decisive leadership and thus you would be eaten alive by a 20 year-old virgin... especially if she is Russian or Eastern European.

I’m not sure if I want to get married and have kids...

Indecisiveness is not a masculine trait that women find attractive.

All I know for now is that I want a long term virgin girlfriend.

Contradictory and unrealistic.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Rules for marriage visas are changing in the USA in a way that will protect men from foreign women trying to scam them for a visa. Their visa can get cancelled by the government after it is given if the government decides the woman committed fraud etc

 

[Australia Sucks]

A couple of million dollars isn't enough "status" for a late blooming 40 year-old who lives with his parents to keep a hot 20 year-old virgin obedient, faithful, loyal, and hanging on his every word and command in 2025. Money, good looks, and tight game combined aren't even enough, the only way to maintain a 20-year age gap in 2025 is for a man to be famous.

A couple million dollars, charisma and tight game are enough status in a non western country (that is the part you are missing) to keep a young virgin faithful. Sure you got to be Leonardo De Caprio in the west but outside of the west it’s a different ball game altogether.

 

[RedLagoon]

A couple million dollars, charisma and tight game are enough status in a non western country (that is the part you are missing) to keep a young virgin faithful. Sure you got to be Leonardo De Caprio in the west but outside of the west it’s a different ball game altogether.

 

[scorpion]

A traditional woman who doesn't work would be cooking, baking, gardening, knitting, taking care of children, reading books, etc. She would not be glued to the TV. While the conversation with this type of woman wouldn't be super exciting it would be more like her talking about her garden or some new recipe she wanted to try or some cute thing the kids did etc rather than about some stupid TV show.

If I was married I would be getting my wife language tutors for her to learn various languages, having a library of paperback non fiction books and encouraging her to read them. I would be encouraging her to play sports as well, etc. If you have the right kind of traditional woman she will be following your lead and being productive rather than talking about sex and the city and going on Instagram. If I was married my wife would be banned from social media (I don't use social media and neither should she).

Your idealized woman is so unrealistic she might as well exist only in your dreams. You might also be able to track her down if you can build yourself a time machine and head back to the Victorian Era.

You also aren't going to find your traditional virgin bride overseas. Newsflash: pretty much every habitable spot on earth has access to smartphones. Every girl on the planet who isn't literally living in a mud hut has access to the internet, modern media and Western culture. There is no untapped goldmine of traditional, virginal young women sitting around just waiting to marry a modestly wealthy forty year-old foreigner. Oh sure, you will find plenty of women posing as such all over the third world, and judging by your hopeless delusion and naiveté, one of them is going to rope you in one day and sink her claws in deep before you realize you got played.

This obsession with traditionally minded virgins is such an absurd and transparent form of self-sabotage in the modern dating landscape that one cannot help but draw the conclusion that Wutang has repeatedly pointed out: that you either, consciously or not, do not actually like being around women, and would be utterly miserable sharing your life with one. Your total lack of self-awareness on this point ("What do you mean, I love women!" claims man who has made hundreds of posts in a thread devoted to trashing and bemoaning women) is honestly breathtaking. If you can't even be honest with yourself about what you actually want, you sure as hell aren't ever going to find it.

 

[Blade Runner]

that you either, consciously or not, do not actually like being around women, and would be utterly miserable sharing your life with one. Your total lack of self-awareness on this point ("What do you mean, I love women!" claims man who has made hundreds of posts in a thread devoted to trashing and bemoaning women) is honestly breathtaking. If you can't even be honest with yourself about what you actually want, you sure as hell aren't ever going to find it.

How can you be so sure that you are correct in this assertion?

 

[scorpion]

How can you be so sure that you are correct in this assertion?

Given his extensive posting history on this topic, it's blatantly obvious to pretty much everyone except you (you, who shares similar fanciful delusions about these mythical overseas trad virgins and harbors an identical dislike for female nature).

You two would be happier living together as roommates (your intellectual conversations on Bitcoin and the decline of Western femininity would be epic, I'm sure) than you would be living with a woman.

 

[FrancisK]

To be honest I’m not decided on my life plans just yet. I am certain I want virgin girlfriend and if that naturally evolves into marriage and a family over the course of time then so be it but if it doesn’t that is also okay. I’m not sure if I want to get married and have kids at this point but I may feel differently when I’m older. All I know for now is that I want a long term virgin girlfriend.

So your life's plan and goal everything you are currently working towards is to leave the country you grew up in and all your friends, family, everyone and everything you know behind including of course your aging immigrant parents to move away to a foreign far away land for the sole purpose of finding a "virgin girlfriend"? Not even specifically to get married and start a family, just to have a girlfriend....?

Do I have that right?