You had that chance when you were young but you didn't want to get married then you want to experience life and have your fun.....right? There has to be some point where it goes both ways.
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You had that chance when you were young but you didn't want to get married then you want to experience life and have your fun.....right? There has to be some point where it goes both ways.
That may be true but it's also kind of a moot point in most places. When I was young I don't remember meeting that many virgins who were looking for marriage. I remember a lot of girls who wanted to have "fun" and changed boyfriends like they changed their oil.
Sure just like lots of us were trying to stick our dicks in everything we could. I'm no saint, especially back then....
This point, which we've stated before, shows that we actually care. You'd think they might care about the potential pitfalls (putting it lightly) for their own kids, but they'd rather believe in the relative fantasy than think that the future is poor and they might actually have to do something about it, or at least talk about it. Is there anyone who doesn't think here that the future for kids and adolescents right now isn't drastic or dire?
Exactly. Another false equivalence. It also doesn't matter, as biology is biology and nature's reality is that women are always going to be the rate limiting step, the gatekeeper. Men will work, try their best, wait a while for the right fit, go buck wild, whatever - it's only women that grant sex and reproduction.
I had a similar experience, but wasn't putting myself in the right places. It's refreshing to meet Christians that only date to marry, and won't even consider living with their spouse until they're married. I love when they badmouth non-married people that move in together.
Excellent point and yes, I hope after Trump's embarrassing first 6 months and the rapid decline of the west post covid, that no one on this forum honestly thinks their children will have a great future. I pray that they do, but we have to be honest about things.
The whole premise of taking an asian wife because she would jump on you is defective. First, that's a different race so a big no from the start. Second, to even consider such race-mixing she'd have to be drop-dead gorgeous. Third, asian countries are for people with bugman mentality and were hideous during coof. Four, you'd have to bring her to your country, which means after time she'd just copy local women and behave the same.
Sure there were women I could have married when younger but I never got offered the opportunity to marry an attractive virgin when I was young. That is the important point.
I don't understand how it's a false equivalence. You're comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing nice guys from the male camp to virgin women at the female camp? It seems you're inferred something from his post he didn't really argue. I don't think he argued the circumstances are the same, I think he was arguing the consequences are the same for both sexes.
I like attractive women. Unfortunately, everyone else likes those particular women too. These women benefit from the halo effect like most. Attraction is my primary motivator, it's not virginity. Obviously, I've grown more sophisticated but the point stands. Women like Chads. How different that is — I'm not sure. There's a gigantic imbalance when it comes to sexual access and responsibility, but what we're attracted to seems to be roughly the same, which is good genetics. I imagine ugly women have a hard time sleeping with Chads, so not all women have Chad access.
I can do a comparison to your example of "choosing a virgin over some whore" with "choosing a millionaire over a Chad".
I feel you on the lack of options, ideally the majority of people would be sexually inexperienced for max positive outcome. Promiscuity being reserved for the mischievous elites or that one prostitute who services the whole town. I doubt you would be talking about virgins in such circumstances, probably be a horndog trying to break free from your wife.
If you're making a moral judgement that these whores would rather ruin their life instead of building a family, unlike us nice guys, that's a fair assessment. We are the smarter sex. We might have sex with sluts, but most will try to avoid ruining their life. This is where my original point kind of fits in. Men that do have access to women are no angels themselves. Hypothetically speaking if I was operating with virginal abundance, I would defer to sexual attraction as a primary motivator. Might even alpha widow a couple. Likewise, it's unfair to women to say most men are waiting to cherish a virgin bride with their whole heart, showering her with everything she needs. Most men want to participate, how they will behave is anybody's guess.
I understand it's hard to come to terms with that, especially when you compare yourself to f**k boys or scumbags, but perhaps like a whore we as men are too forgiving with bitchy, toxic behavior. It's hard to make sense of it because my bias is so heavy on the male side.
Again false equivalence. Super ugly women cannot sleep with chads but female 5s can sleep with chads. But of course the chads will not take the 5s seriously or give them a relationship but they will still sleep with them. Which is why modern women are so broken because a female 5 that just slept with a chad they can get a chad as a boyfriend which they cannot.
You didn't date any virgins when you were young? How? Was your first girlfriend when you were older or something?
Again false equivalence. Men tolerate bad behaviour from women because almost all modern women behave like this and the choice for 90% of men is celibacy or tolerate toxic behaviour. Women have plenty of choice of men who will treat them well but they actively ignore those choices and chase toxic chads who treat them like garbage. It’s not equivalent at all. Men would choose nice women if they had the option but they don’t (unless the woman is fat or old or super ugly).
I was a late bloomer. I didn’t start dating until
I was in my 20s.
Absolutely you can in many circles, but most guys are not there by chance and at that young age few have the wisdom to know what to look for.
But even if he had, would she be the type that sticks with him or wants to trade up as most do? Remember, all promiscuous women were once virgins.