America's Woke & Obese Military

[scorpion]

Anybody else think the military is quickly turning into a personal grift whereby "service" members are actually ripping off citizens in the most insane ways, with their only incentive to serve themselves?

Great post. This is absolutely a real problem, and hopefully one that will start getting more attention. This sort of grifting by former military members is morally reprehensible, as it is not only blatant fraud and theft from the taxpayer, it steals resources away from our veterans who are actually disabled and need that money to survive. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the disability grift currently seems endemic in the military, as service members now view it as an entitlement. The system needs some harsh reforms, so that only severe and plainly demonstrable injuries like blindness, amputation, and paralysis qualify for full disability benefits. Chronic pain and PTSD? Sorry, no disability for you. That's why we have the VA hospital system.

 

[il duce]

Great post. This is absolutely a real problem, and hopefully one that will start getting more attention. This sort of grifting by former military members is morally reprehensible, as it is not only blatant fraud and theft from the taxpayer, it steals resources away from our veterans who are actually disabled and need that money to survive. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the disability grift currently seems endemic in the military, as service members now view it as an entitlement. The system needs some harsh reforms, so that only severe and plainly demonstrable injuries like blindness, amputation, and paralysis qualify for full disability benefits. Chronic pain and PTSD? Sorry, no disability for you. That's why we have the VA hospital system.

Like I said, the military/federal jobs have just become a huge entitlement grift shifting money from taxpayers to mostly useless people. Most of them are not “patriotic” at all, and if they are then they usually fall into the Zionist category. If we had an actual war with Russia or China you can bet most of these people would be doing whatever they could to get out of it.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

The only one triggered is you, because I exposed you as a fed kike-sucker. You disliking my posts is female behavior. Ultimately, you and your priest will have to answer to God for what you did while serving the jewish demons.

Firstly, this is not the language we are intended to use about each other here.

Secondly....There's nothing feminine about using the dislike feature. It's a forum tool and you taking such offense to it is really the more of a statement of your own insecure feminine nature by that logic.

Lastly, we all have to answer for our sins... Just like you'll have to answer for whatever yours are.

As far as exposing me, hardly the case. I pay a shitload of money in taxes, I have zero problem with my money getting back to me so I can then Invest it back into my family and Church.

Just because others aren't willing to use a tool and jealous of others who have doesn't mean I'm going to feel guilty at all.

Great post. This is absolutely a real problem, and hopefully one that will start getting more attention. This sort of grifting by former military members is morally reprehensible, as it is not only blatant fraud and theft from the taxpayer, it steals resources away from our veterans who are actually disabled and need that money to survive. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the disability grift currently seems endemic in the military, as service members now view it as an entitlement. The system needs some harsh reforms, so that only severe and plainly demonstrable injuries like blindness, amputation, and paralysis qualify for full disability benefits. Chronic pain and PTSD? Sorry, no disability for you. That's why we have the VA hospital system.

We could fix this by only allowing veterans to vote. And then we would avoid useless foreign engagements....given that most military members are actually quite anti war.

As far as your last 3 sentences,.... Just curious, how many vets do you know whove deployed overseas?

You've clearly never been to the VA.

It took me 6 months to get in for a spine specialist after I had previously been to the ER the weekend before.

Yet we wonder why there is so much suicide among vets....

 

[scorpion]

As far as your last 3 sentences,.... Just curious, how many vets do you know whove deployed overseas?

You've clearly never been to the VA.

It took me 6 months to get in for a spine specialist after I had previously been to the ER the weekend before.

I have multiple friends and family members who have deployed, one of whom - an actual frontline combat veteran - I know for a fact receives disability for PTSD. As for the VA, it could certainly be better in many respects (the money wasted on paying fraudulent disability claims could be put to better use there). But even in its flawed state, it still provides free healthcare to veterans. A six-month wait to see a spinal specialist is actually quicker than what you'd get in many other countries with socialized medicine.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I have multiple friends and family members who have deployed, one of whom - an actual frontline combat veteran - I know for a fact receives disability for PTSD. As for the VA, it could certainly be better in many respects (the money wasted on paying fraudulent disability claims could be put to better use there). But even in its flawed state, it still provides free healthcare to veterans. A six-month wait to see a spinal specialist is actually quicker than what you'd get in many other countries with socialized medicine.

Re read your last sentence and tell me this is the argument your hanging your hat on?

Private sector you can get a referral same week.

We should be thankful that we are better than socialists Canada or Brittan?

Hardly making a strong case for people to rally behind sir.

ETA. I agree there is tons of abuse and there should be reform on awarding disability to those who never deployed on a named operation or have no provable Nexus claim (incident/diagnosis/service connection) but to suggest that veterans not receive VA disability will result in even lower recruitment numbers.

SO we can go back to the draft if you'd like ....

Every empire will have to have a military force to ensure their supremacy. Ours is a volunteer force which is well compensated. The alternative is conscription/draft.

 

[scorpion]

Re read your last sentence and tell me this is the argument your hanging your hat on?

Private sector you can get a referral same week.

I mean, that's just the reality of any sort of socialized healthcare model, whether that be the VA or a national system.

My main point was that we'd have more funding available for VA healthcare if we weren't wasting it on fraudulent disability claims.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Oh no! You got me!

Having a generally positive view about law enforcement and military makes me a jew... Yeah makes sense.

Ill be sure to tell the cop this morning at Church who was providing security that we are goyim after next week's liturgy.

Meanwhile we use our Military and police to remove illegals. How Jewish of them.

Problem is “hey wanna come get shot at out of the kindness of your heart?” Is kind of a hard sell. So the VA and the and GI bill and disability are the incentive. The military kind of is the big maker of the upper middle class. Us middle middle and lower have to work our tails off, but if we avoid the cities, we don’t get shot at.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

My main point was that we'd have more funding available for VA healthcare if we weren't wasting it on fraudulent disability claims.

I can get behind this

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Problem is “hey wanna come get shot at out of the kindness of your heart?” Is kind of a hard sell. So the VA and the and GI bill and disability are the incentive. The military kind of is the big maker of the upper middle class. Us middle middle and lower have to work our tails off, but if we avoid the cities, we don’t get shot at.

This is accurate. It's what I used to elevate my network, position, and shapen my critical thinking skills.

I led a lot of young men from rural areas who's options were Marine Corps or trailer Park.



The United States Marine Corps has a threefold purpose, or mission statement, often summarized as:

Make Marines: The rigorous training and development within the Marine Corps transforms individuals into disciplined warriors possessing honor, courage, and commitment.

Win our Nation's battles: This encompasses their role as a naval expeditionary force, trained and equipped to rapidly respond to threats and execute missions across various environments – air, land, and sea.

Develop quality citizens: The Marine Corps aims to return to society individuals instilled with strong moral values, leadership skills, and a commitment to service, making them productive members of the nation beyond their military careers.


Plus lots of folks literally altruistically believe service in support of the country is a good thing.

I mean, that's just the reality of any sort of socialized healthcare model, whether that be the VA or a national system.

My main point was that we'd have more funding available for VA healthcare if we weren't wasting it on fraudulent disability claims.

This is fair. And I do agree there is tons of people making false claims and milking the system. Zero debate about that.

It was pretty disgusting when I got out and saw kids claiming PTSD even though they were being separated from basic training.

It's been my experience that the VA is not quality medicine even when there are good doctors. And economically you're not going to get the best care there as the premier doctors are private sector anyway.

 

[FrancisK]

What exactly do you think happens to us and our country if we stop incentivizing the military and then we have no military? Some of you need to step out of your self righteous rabbit hole insecurity coping mechanism bubble and come back to the real world, you've lost your minds.

No nothing is perfect and there are things which need to be corrected for sure but don't pollute your mind so badly that you think delusion is some kind of noble virtuous strength.

 

[eradicator]

Anybody else think the military is quickly turning into a personal grift whereby "service" members are actually ripping off citizens in the most insane ways, with their only incentive to serve themselves? Example Here

Hear me out gents: -snip-

The military arms industrial complex has been a massive grift for the jews for about 80 years.

And I definitely agree with you about the service members taking advantage as much as they can.

The whole military is a massive grift though that’s my point.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

What exactly do you think happens to us and our country if we stop incentivizing the military and then we have no military? Some of you need to step out of your self righteous rabbit hole insecurity coping mechanism bubble and come back to the real world, you've lost your minds.

No nothing is perfect and there are things which need to be corrected for sure but don't pollute your mind so badly that you think delusion is some kind of noble virtuous strength.

The people going on about the military members being goy and all that are pretty funny also.

All war is waged by the poor on behalf of the rich.

It's been that way since all of time.

Even the founding fathers, who were all engaged in the conflict with the British, were land owning rich men.

Being a realist and honest about it, you have a lot of people who want to go into the military since they were little. It's much better for the society if they can channel that in a positive way for their country vs merely relying on a draft for the country's defense.

I just laugh at the Internet guys shit talking veterans, I suspect several of them are not even Americans...and Everytime I see that, you know it's never folks who would say anything to someone's face, and would cower in the corner if someone said they were gonna kick their ass for running their mouth.

That said ... The military is full of a lot of conservative level headed people, but the institution itself from the DOD down is typically pretty PC.

The amount of disrespectful black soldiers I saw when at a school house environment was beyond shocking to me.

Hell part of my decision to leave was due to the whole Obama officer politicalization. It was impeccable timing since I missed the clot shot. There's no way I'd have lasted in the Biden years.

I think Hegseth is moving in the right direction.

 

[Cuchulainn]

I led a lot of young men from rural areas who's options were Marine Corps or trailer Park.

This really resonates with me. From the UK perspective, I led a bunch of young men, where a lot of them were from absolute shithole inner city estates from which there was no escape unless you were brainy AND lucky enough to get a good trade or degree, and afford to move out.

The armed forces provided an escape route for others.

In the past, the armed forces provided a means to take unruly boys and turn them into men.

What posters here dont understand is that if you did your time in the legions (25 years) and then got out between 1945 and 2000, you maybe saw one or two wars and a couple of policing deployments. Do those same 25 years between 2000 and 2025 and you got back to back, continuous deployments to multiple warzones. And 25 years of continuous war takes an extreme toll on the mind and body.

It doesnt take boys and turn them to men, it took boys and turned them into wrecks broken in mind and body.

I wish the UK had the same post-military resources and help for ex-service members, but it doesnt. Hell, for the War on Terror, the government refused to call it a war as that would trigger "war" salaries for troops for a long time.

As for PTSD, military PTSD is something civilians cant understand. To put it into perspective, at the start of the war on terror the UK treated its troops in NHS hospitals as they had previously shut down all the military hospitals or military dpeartments in regional hospitals (they now have a pupose built hospital and other facilities). Soldiers who were injured after an IED blew up their APC and killed ALL their mates after 5 months of continuous combat where given group therapy with people who at worst lost 1 friend in a house fire, or car crash. Needless to say, it didnt work for anyone in the group.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

This really resonates with me. From the UK perspective, I led a bunch of young men, where a lot of them were from absolute shithole inner city estates from which there was no escape unless you were brainy AND lucky enough to get a good trade or degree, and afford to move out.

The armed forces provided an escape route for others.

In the past, the armed forces provided a means to take unruly boys and turn them into men.

What posters here dont understand is that if you did your time in the legions (25 years) and then got out between 1945 and 2000, you maybe saw one or two wars and a couple of policing deployments. Do those same 25 years between 2000 and 2025 and you got back to back, continuous deployments to multiple warzones. And 25 years of continuous war takes an extreme toll on the mind and body.

It doesnt take boys and turn them to men, it took boys and turned them into wrecks broken in mind and body.

I wish the UK had the same post-military resources and help for ex-service members, but it doesnt. Hell, for the War on Terror, the government refused to call it a war as that would trigger "war" salaries for troops for a long time.

As for PTSD, military PTSD is something civilians cant understand. To put it into perspective, at the start of the war on terror the UK treated its troops in NHS hospitals as they had previously shut down all the military hospitals or military dpeartments in regional hospitals (they now have a pupose built hospital and other facilities). Soldiers who were injured after an IED blew up their APC and killed ALL their mates after 5 months of continuous combat where given group therapy with people who at worst lost 1 friend in a house fire, or car crash. Needless to say, it didnt work for anyone in the group.

Excellent post. I had Marines who after serving went on to do great things in their professional and Personal lives, but we all miss the good ole days with The Boys.

Unfortunately those who've never experienced any of this, the camaraderie, the highs, the lows and the incredibly surreal experiences is something that folks cannot fathom.

The PTSD thing is real but not everyone is affected by it in the same way. Some have no issues at all...when I got out the VA will try and throw a bunch of drugs at you. Lots of guys take em and I think it does as much harm as good. I've lost Marines to suicide and it's really just the most terrible thing.

Which of course is the irony. Everyone who fights in the wars is almost unanimously against the conflict...but we do so out of a desire to protect our fellow brothers in arms.

People who've never experienced it can't really fathom... And that's ok... But the self righteous Internet trash talking is really more of a sign of others own insecurities coming out. Especially by people claiming to be Orthodox or Catholic or Christian in any capacity.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

People who've never experienced it can't really fathom... And that's ok...

I think we can fathom otherwise war movies wouldn't make sense. I think military service is a good thing for a man. I think boys should learn to slaughter animals, and a grown man should be ready to kill. Having said that there are certain criticisms that can be lodged.

• You being a cog in their machine. [philosophical criticism].
• Being a sellout — "everyone" knows the government is bad. Sticking to your principles. [interpersonal criticism].
• The consequences of war on yourself and others. [moral criticism].
• Being trained to take orders — sacrificing your own judgement. [dignity criticism]

Some of your responses boil down to "don't care, had fun with the boys" which I can empathize with but that's not really a defense. You're not wrong that people criticizing you are flawed individuals but I think certain criticisms can stand on their own and it doesn't really matter who's making them.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I think we can fathom otherwise war movies wouldn't make sense. I think military service is a good thing for a man. I think boys should learn to slaughter animals, and a grown man should be ready to kill. Having said that there are certain criticisms that can be lodged.

• You being a cog in their machine. [philosophical criticism].
• Being a sellout — "everyone" knows the government is bad. Sticking to your principles. [interpersonal criticism].
• The consequences of war on yourself and others. [moral criticism].
• Being trained to take orders — sacrificing your own judgement. [dignity criticism]

Some of your responses boil down to "don't care, had fun with the boys" which I can empathize with but that's not really a defense. You're not wrong that people criticizing you are flawed individuals but I think certain criticisms can stand on their own and it doesn't really matter who's making them.

Respectfully, conceptually you can have an idea of what it's like from the movies, but not a full appreciation.

Just like I can conceptually understand what it's like to dunk a basketball but having never played on an NBA championship team I don't really know what that's like.

Slaughtering animals on a farm (something I've done in my youth) is not at all a comparison to going to war.

As far as the criticisms:

Point 1 can be argued one way or the other. We are all cogs in some machine to a degree. I left the Marines partly when a lt col wanted to send me to a shit hole country to train some people because it's part of what the military industrial complex does. That + the Obama tranny shit was enough. But doesn't mean we all don't play a role in some institutions. At a certain level you could argue paying taxes makes you a cog in the machine.


Point 2- only people on the Internet call veterans sell outs. It's never a thing I've ever experienced in real life. There's also some good things the military does. Providing humanitarian assistance for instance. Are you a sell out for that component or only when it doesn't fit your particular political agenda?

Point 3 - yes that's an age old question, is what we are fighting for actually meaningful or not. But again the point you can't fathom is that you do this for the person on the right and the left of you regardless of the shitty country and situation you're in.

Point 4 - is not really valid. Firstly ... you only execute lawful orders. Secondly you do this every day at work. If you boss tells you to do something you are taking orders.

There are existential questions about war, which Ozzy pointed out in War Pigs which pretty much everyone whose served agrees with. But since no one here making these claims has ever experienced the reality of the subject matter they are discussing.... It's a bit like getting sex advice from a virgin in my book.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Respectfully, conceptually you can have an idea of what it's like from the movies, but not a full appreciation.

Just like I can conceptually understand what it's like to dunk a basketball but having never played on an NBA championship team I don't really know what that's like.

Slaughtering animals on a farm (something I've done in my youth) is not at all a comparison to going to war.

As far as the criticisms:

Point 1 can be argued one way or the other. We are all cogs in some machine to a degree. I left the Marines partly when a lt col wanted to send me to a shit hole country to train some people because it's part of what the military industrial complex does. That + the Obama tranny shit was enough. But doesn't mean we all don't play a role in some institutions. At a certain level you could argue paying taxes makes you a cog in the machine.


Point 2- only people on the Internet call veterans sell outs. It's never a thing I've ever experienced in real life. There's also some good things the military does. Providing humanitarian assistance for instance. Are you a sell out for that component or only when it doesn't fit your particular political agenda?

Point 3 - yes that's an age old question, is what we are fighting for actually meaningful or not. But again the point you can't fathom is that you do this for the person on the right and the left of you regardless of the shitty country and situation you're in.

Point 4 - is not really valid. Firstly ... you only execute lawful orders. Secondly you do this every day at work. If you boss tells you to do something you are taking orders.

There are existential questions about war, which Ozzy pointed out in War Pigs which pretty much everyone whose served agrees with. But since no one here making these claims has ever experienced the reality of the subject matter they are discussing.... It's a bit like getting sex advice from a virgin in my book.

I think the nuance is that the military is both good and bad. You like highlighting the good which I agree with. The criticisms of the military actually come from veterans to the point where war is a cautionary tale. The criticisms are not something people pull out of their ass. The word "sellout" is used as a figure of speech to illustrate a sentiment, not some attack on your personal character. I think people who are very critical of the government feel rebellious in one way or another, and perceive themselves in a tug of war with the government. You obviously being on the opposite end, thereby "selling them out". I don't think there's any middle ground to be had there, it's just differences in self-perception.

The fourth point can too be approached from a "sellout" perspective but also from a regret perspective. If you participate in military action and something bad were to happen, depending on the circumstances, you might feel a certain way about it. Maybe you feel it wasn't worth it, maybe you feel betrayed, or you feel used and coerced. This has happened to people and they've been vocal about it. Does it mean that it applies to everyone, probably not, but it goes back to the whole cautionary tale thing; is the juice worth the squeeze?

Do you think these cautionary tales are worth considering?

Also, can you explain this too cool for school attitude? I don't think it's proof of anything, I actually don't get it.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I think the nuance is that the military is both good and bad. You like highlighting the good which I agree with. The criticisms of the military actually come from veterans to the point where war is a cautionary tale. The criticisms are not something people pull out of their ass. The word "sellout" is used as a figure of speech to illustrate a sentiment, not some attack on your personal character. I think people who are very critical of the government feel rebellious in one way or another, and perceive themselves in a tug of war with the government. You obviously being on the opposite end, thereby "selling them out". I don't think there's any middle ground to be had there, it's just differences in self-perception.

I don't think it's black and White. You can be patriotic and pro freedom and still be a cop or government. I don't have to accept your narrative frame is my point.

I've been an Alex Jones fan since before I was in the Marines, and a lot less of a yes man than a vast majority of my Ivy League / Annapolis /West Point peers while in the Corps.

All that said.... I am a huge Smedley Butler fan. And i just look at the real Politik of the matter.

God put me on this Earth for a reason. Part of his plan for me was to be a Marine Officer, and that led me to Holy Orthodoxy while I was in Crete on R&R and visited a Church.

The fourth point can too be approached from a "sellout" perspective but also from a regret perspective. If you participate in military action and something bad were to happen, depending on the circumstances, you might feel a certain way about it. Maybe you feel it wasn't worth it, maybe you feel betrayed, or you feel used and coerced. This has happened to people and they've been vocal about it. Does it mean that it applies to everyone, probably not, but it goes back to the whole cautionary tale thing; is the juice worth the squeeze?

Yes that's an assessment for every individual. I mean if I got my nuts blown off I would have said no.

But I didn't so for me it was an amazing experience that gave me life Lessons and knowledge far beyond anyone else at 26 having been overseas, fought in war, and getting the privilege to lead Marines. The benefits on the back end were great.... But I'd have done it anyway because I believed it was my calling..
Until I didn't anymore and the institution started to compromise in values I held sacred... So I left.

Do you think these cautionary tales are worth considering?

Yes of course. I never recommend the military to people unless they are aware of the total risks and the good and the bad.

My own kids I've got one that I think the Marine Corps is a great fit. The rest of em it would be a bad deal for.

Also, can you explain this too cool for school attitude? I don't think it's proof of anything, I actually don't get it.

18 year olds lying trying to be cool... Same sort of stupid shit came out of any of our mouths at 18.

 

[ThinTern]

There is tons of folks who go to the military, can't hack it, then get disability even when they never deployed.

It's pretty aggravating and it's more prominent in the Army and Navy, and I saw a lot of it when I got out.

That said, if you serve overseas, you will get some form of injury and wear and tear and exposure to things.

The disability payments serve as an incentive to ensure people are willing to serve. It's part of your compensation package and entitlements.

The argument is that you're giving up time in a career And being exposed to things In your work environment that are hazardous and negatively impact your health.

Hell yeah the benefits of a VA loan and GI Bill are a huge boon. It's a calculation you make when you decide to join.

And it's clear you, and many making your argument, dont understand the mind of an altruistic 18 year old wanting to be a Patriot and serve their country. Understand it doesn't make sense to you.... But kinda seems like you're complaining because you think it's unfair when you have the same ability to sign up yourself...
Just don't want to run the risk of getting killed.

It's funny you call it a caste system.... All the founding fathers served and fought in some capacity... So how does that work?

I hear your point, but I have to disagree with the premise that we should vest the power with elites to write blank checks as "incentives" for people serving. That argument doesn't hold water: Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of our constitution lays out how this nation is supposed to declare and wage war, ensuring that our nation fights popular, defensive wars.

Trust me, if China landed on the beaches of WPB tomorrow, you wouldn't need to offer lifetime checks/healthcare to get people to join the military; they would have the incentive and the will to join out of their sense of necessity and survival, and they'd do se en masse. And that is the whole point. This country was never meant to have a standing army whereby the state has the authority to spend other people's money perpetrating their welfare system. This "calculation" you speak of is exactly the problem... Like you proved my point. Kids are deciding between going into the military, whereby they will get wealthy with guaranteed income / healthcare / tax breaks the rest of their lives, or doing something productive like becoming a welder or other trade. All part of the same problem.

We should be incentivizing people to NOT join the military. Only do so if you are willing to sacrifice for your duty to nation, your family, and God.

In summary, I will admit that your argument may be based on altruistic grounds, but it fails to understand how our country was supposed to function and the basic reality of ignoring that fact.

I do understand the mind of the 18 year old. I was once 18, coming from a poor family on EBT, and spent time in the service as well. So I totally get it.

Your final argument is so preposterous that I hesitate to address it: If the founding fathers set up a system whereby they got free health care, monthly checks, and didn't have to pay property tax the rest of their lives, they would have been tarred and feathered by our patriotic forefathers the same way they tarred and feathered their former masters.

 

[ThinTern]

Great post. This is absolutely a real problem, and hopefully one that will start getting more attention. This sort of grifting by former military members is morally reprehensible, as it is not only blatant fraud and theft from the taxpayer, it steals resources away from our veterans who are actually disabled and need that money to survive. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the disability grift currently seems endemic in the military, as service members now view it as an entitlement. The system needs some harsh reforms, so that only severe and plainly demonstrable injuries like blindness, amputation, and paralysis qualify for full disability benefits. Chronic pain and PTSD? Sorry, no disability for you. That's why we have the VA hospital system.

Exactly. It shouldn't be viewed as "part of the total compensation package" or whatever nonsense they spout. All that does is dishonor the great men who served this country on morally righteous and just grounds.