The Epstein Docs

No one criticizing Trump is disappointed that he isn't the Messiah. They are trying to red-pill those that do. The ones who do see him as a Messiah figure are the ones who support him with unwavering, unearned loyalty and can hardly ever give out an objective criticism.
Of course there's plenty of criticism to have of him here. No one is saying he is above reproach... I certainly am not.

His handling of the Epstein thing has been awful.

I stand by my criticism that many have not gotten over their disappointment however and have made many tenuous arguments and it's a bore to read the same comment repeated over and over again.
 
His handling of the Epstein thing has been awful.
The reason this isn't going away is because it gets worse the more you think about it. It's not a simple failure to deliver on a campaign promise, which Trump has already been given a pass for many times over. But his total about-face on this issue exposes that he is more implicated than what was previously thought. It also exposes how much he takes his base for granted. He is not trustworthy.

Had Trump swept it under the rug, or threw out the empty promise of "releasing the files eventually" then his base would still be giving him the benefit of the doubt. But by attacking his base, then trying to redirect their attention to the Democrats (who are calling his bluff big league), he is showing that he is not the man he pretends to be.

It may be a bore to read this same criticism, but it's also a bore to hear endless scapegoating of the democrats for why Trump is not coming through on anything he promised to deliver on.

At the rate he's going, the only people who will see him as a Messiah figure are the few supporters, if any, he will have left. If there is no serious course correction, or a strong enough smokescreen, most will see him as an antichrist figure more than anything else.
 
This is by far one of the most self Important prognostications I've read in a long time.
Why do you insist on attacking me personally instead of addressing each criticism individually with counter arguments? So when you do this, I will return the favor. It's because you don't have the emotional intelligence to know and admit that you've been had. You must somehow see yourself in Trump and this is why you admire him. And like him you will never admit when you are wrong. You have been wrong about Trump on every point. "An effective communicator"? Gimme a break. That's all you got? Trump is a horrible communicator because he is a compulsive liar who loves jews more than he loves Christ. Yeah, he's an effective communicator if you love having bullshit pumped into your ears.

... not everyone can make hundreds of millions of dollars on a long running reality tv show.
C'mon man, you're better than this. When you start your life by being given a bulk sum of millions of dollars at one time only a fool couldn't parlay that into a good life. In addition, he had help from many jews along the way. Nobody is successful in Manhattan real estate without bowing down and kissing the talmudic ring. This is why he had to sacrifice his most attractive daughter to the tribe. And have you ever seen how a TV show is produced? Well, number one it is also produced by jews, but in addition it requires a team of talented people of which Trump was the least talented one on The Apprentice. I "kind of" know a woman who was an editor on that show and she wound up quitting because the whole thing was one big fake, staged lie... and so no wonder Trump was so effective as the fake "leader" at the helm of it.
 
Berlusconi had something similar to this with a morrocan underage. She was called Ruby in his bonga bonga parties.

He was sentenced in first court but later won the appeal. Supreme court judges decided he didnt knew she was underage.
The case was called rubygate.


This is one thing. Debauchery deviant shit. The orange rabid dog probably did something similar. Like most politicians. JFK is rumored to also have been a deviant.

Another different thing is pedophiles. And the harm they do to children. This is different. Criminal law has three objectives: i) retribution. ii) making the convict suffer so he doesnt do shit again and the iii) third objective is to show society what happens to someone when they break the law working as a detterrent.

If no pedophile is arrested this is a really bad message to all sexual deviant criminais out there. Its an embarassment to US. All countries have elite pedophile rings. Dutroux in Belgium was the most sick. But he was sentenced. With others.

This will not go away. Trump is just setting the stage for an Obama 2.0 to win the next elections.
 
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Berlusconi had something similar to this with a morrocan underage. She was called Ruby in his bonga bonga parties.

He was sentenced in first court but later won the appeal. Supreme court judges decided he didnt knew she was underage.
The case was called rubygate.


This is one thing. Debauchery deviant shit. The orange rabid dog probably did something similar. Like most politicians. JFK is rumored to also have been a deviant.

Another different thing is pedophiles. And the harm they do to children. This is different. Criminal law has three objectives: i) retribution. ii) making the convict suffer so he doesnt do shit again and the iii) third objective is to show society what happens to someone when they break the law working as a detterrent.

If no pedophile is arrested this is a really bad message to all sexual deviant criminais out there. Its an embarassment to US. All countries have elite pedophile rings. Dutroux in Belgium was the most sick. But he was sentenced. With others.

This will not go away. Trump is just setting the stage for an Obama 2.0 to win the next elections.

Aoc is the future of the Democrat party. If anything she is Trump 2.0 but a far left liberal version.

She will promise to open up our borders, and bring back dei etc.

But the fact remains if maga voters are disenfranchised over Epstein then democrats could take over the house, senate and presidency in the next 2-4 years

Let’s see how Maxwell plays out, let’s see if the tariffs and economy recover and if we ship out the illegals.
 
Aoc is the future of the Democrat party. If anything she is Trump 2.0 but a far left liberal version.

She will promise to open up our borders, and bring back dei etc.

But the fact remains if maga voters are disenfranchised over Epstein then democrats could take over the house, senate and presidency in the next 2-4 years

Let’s see how Maxwell plays out, let’s see if the tariffs and economy recover and if we ship out the illegals.
Trump is mixing his image with pedophiles. I have no idea who came up with such a stupid strategy. Maybe he did. He needs to distance himself. Not confuse Trump with epstein. Everybody knows he is a sexual deviant grab by the pussy type. Thats tolerable. Another is a pedo. Why is that retard mixing narratives? Attacking his base?

AOC is shit but there are other democrats not that bad.
 
Trump is mixing his image with pedophiles. I have no idea who came up with such a stupid strategy. Maybe he did. He needs to distance himself. Not confuse Trump with epstein. Everybody knows he is a sexual deviant grab by the pussy type. Thats tolerable. Another is a pedo. Why is that retard mixing narratives? Attacking his base?

AOC is shit but there are other democrats not that bad.

The alternative is the democrats go with a relatively popular dem governor in a swing state like Whitmer or Shapiro

Aoc has better name recognition but I’m not sure she does better in a hypothetical potential presidential election, in swing states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin etc? I don’t know?

As for “what will happen with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump”, I’m saying it’s possible he loses the house, senate in 2026 and gets not much done in his final 2 years in office.

In 2028 he’s out regardless . He endorses Vance. At that point he’ll be 82 years old,
 
Aoc is the future of the Democrat party. If anything she is Trump 2.0 but a far left liberal version.

She will promise to open up our borders, and bring back dei etc.

But the fact remains if maga voters are disenfranchised over Epstein then democrats could take over the house, senate and presidency in the next 2-4 years

Let’s see how Maxwell plays out, let’s see if the tariffs and economy recover and if we ship out the illegals.
Do most of us around here think there is a chance that the Dems swing back and takeover in 2029? It seems unlikely, but if that happens with high debt, tax and confiscation efforts will be tremendous.
 
Why do you insist on attacking me personally instead of addressing each criticism individually with counter arguments? So when you do this, I will return the favor. It's because you don't have the emotional intelligence to know and admit that you've been had. You must somehow see yourself in Trump and this is why you admire him. And like him you will never admit when you are wrong. You have been wrong about Trump on every point. "An effective communicator"? Gimme a break. That's all you got? Trump is a horrible communicator because he is a compulsive liar who loves jews more than he loves Christ. Yeah, he's an effective communicator if you love having bullshit pumped into your ears.
Maybe you don't find him an effective communicator... but 80 Million Americans do. His use of rhetoric and Media is a master class. Denying this is just silly.

C'mon man, you're better than this. When you start your life by being given a bulk sum of millions of dollars at one time only a fool couldn't parlay that into a good life. In addition, he had help from many jews along the way. Nobody is successful in Manhattan real estate without bowing down and kissing the talmudic ring. This is why he had to sacrifice his most attractive daughter to the tribe. And have you ever seen how a TV show is produced? Well, number one it is also produced by jews, but in addition it requires a team of talented people of which Trump was the least talented one on The Apprentice. I "kind of" know a woman who was an editor on that show and she wound up quitting because the whole thing was one big fake, staged lie... and so no wonder Trump was so effective as the fake "leader" at the helm of it.
Again objectively if you can't appreciate the skills that Donald Trump used to get to where he is, then that's your willful ignorance.

Whether you like him or not he will be judged as a 1x in a 100 year leader like Teddy Roosevelt.

These are facts dude.
 
Whether you like him or not he will be judged as a 1x in a 100 year leader like Teddy Roosevelt.
Nah. Just wait and see. We'll check back in at the end of Trump's term. Three and a half years to go and the teflon on Don is wearing thin. He'll be remembered as a close associate of Epstein's for 15 years who tried to cover up their "tracks" from 1991 to 2006. And the "sex stuff" wasn't even the primary basis of their relationship... it was money laundering and tax evasion:



Again objectively if you can't appreciate the skills that Donald Trump used to get to where he is, then that's your willful ignorance.
His "skills"? 😂 Nobody becomes as successful as Trump in the USA without ties to organized crime and the jewish mafia(s). Trump is a complete propped up JQ plant. I mean, can you not see how much he loves the Antichrist? He loves the Antichrist so much that he forever merged his bloodline with the synagogue of satan's. I can't really say anything more than that. It's right there for you to see, yet you refuse to see (((it))).

Whether you like him or not...
It's not about "liking him." I voted for him 3 times. It's about objectively analyzing him, something you are unable to do.

And it is Whitney Webb's reporting on Epstein and Trump that will be accepted as fact in 100 years... you should look into it:





 
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Nah. Just wait and see. We'll check back in at the end of Trump's term. Three and a half years to go and the teflon on Don is wearing thin. He'll be remembered as a close associate of Epstein's for 15 years who tried to cover up their "tracks" from 1991 to 2006. And the "sex stuff" wasn't even the primary basis of their relationship... it was money laundering and tax evasion:




His "skills"? 😂 Nobody becomes as successful as Trump in the USA without ties to organized crime and the jewish mafia(s). Trump is a complete propped up JQ plant. I mean, can you not see how much he loves the Antichrist? He loves the Antichrist so much that he forever merged his bloodline with the synagogue of satan's. I can't really say anything more than that. It's right there for you to see, yet you refuse to see (((it))).


It's not about "liking him." I voted for him 3 times. It's about objectively analyzing him, something you are unable to do.

And it is Whitney Webb's reporting on Epstein and Trump that will be accepted as fact in 100 years... you should look into it:






I followed Whitney Web for a time. Ive not seen all the videos you've linked to but I'm not sure I completely trust all her receipts either.

I'm not defending Trump's poor handling of the Epstein issue.

But I stand by my comment that he will be judged as a great man of history...

One of us will be right and one will be wrong.

I simply believe Americans care more about other things than this and it's practically a nothing burger going forward no matter what is or isn't presented.

I just don't think that ultimately people as a nation care enough about the allegations in the Epstein case. It's frankly more of an Internet right wing thing than something people will care about in the total historical totality.

As far as me not being able to view him critically... I just have a different take than you do. But you can feel free to characterize as you'd like.
 
I'm not defending Trump's poor handling of the Epstein issue.
I realize that. You are arguing in good faith, I just feel that at this point in time the Trump train is a rotten hull springing leaks and we/you/I are attempting to bail out a sinking ship. Sad.

But I stand by my comment that he will be judged as a great man of history...
That is fine. We will see. But let it be noted that Trump just admitted yesterday that he is aware of and stated that "Virginia Giuffre was 'stolen' from Mar-a-Logo by Epstein." This is just such a strange thing for him to publicly say at this point. Total damage control to get out in front of new sh*t coming to light. Virginia Guiffre worked at Mar-a-Lago, was "stolen" from there by Epstein, and is now dead? And now there is talk of Trump pardoning P Diddy and Ghislaine Maxwell? I mean' c'mon, how many more 6 degrees of separation "coincidences" do we need to accept the fact that we've been had and that Trump is one of (((Them)))?
 
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I realize that. You are arguing in good faith, I just feel that at this point in time the Trump train is a rotten hull springing leaks and we/you/I are attempting to bail out a sinking ship. Sad.


That is fine. We will see. But let it be noted that Trump just admitted yesterday that he is aware of and stated that "Virginia Giuffre was 'stolen' from Mar-a-Logo by Epstein." This is just such a strange thing for him to publicly say at this point. Total damage control to get out in front of new sh*t coming to light. Virginia Guiffre worked at Mar-a-Lago, was "stolen" from there by Epstein, and is now dead? And now there is talk of Trump pardoning P Diddy and Ghislaine Maxwell? I mean' c'mon, how many more 6 degrees of separation "coincidences" do we need to accept the fact that we've been had and that Trump is one of (((Them)))?
To your point about the Donald and Epstein and Guiffre being stolen... There's been previous articles about how Trump kicking out Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.... AJ did point that out in the belwo.

 
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