The China Thread

Cooper said:


This invention kind of got me to realize that technology is great in high trust societies, but potentially very dangerous in low trust societies and kakistocracies, imagine the car theft potential of this device...
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I'm more worried about whoever made the trash music under that video, probably AI.

You do realize that Japan went through this gimmicky phase too right?
 
RedLagoon said:
I'm more worried about whoever made the trash music under that video, probably AI.

You do realize that Japan went through this gimmicky phase too right?
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China has many advantages vs Japan, mainly it's a truly independent country (no foreign bases or constitutions written by occupiers, independent banking system etc), and it's much larger (12x). Japan's economic growth was blunted by the Plaza Accords in the late 1980s, which clipped their monetary wings.

Another tech "gimmick":

 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
Another beauty from China, the country where stuff is so fake, the idea of redesigning all major roads to accept a bus that can straddle traffic was believed and promoted for several years. Needless to say, it never actually happened.

In China, everything is fake until proven mostly fake.

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Talking about Chinese faking, here are some hilarious fakes in China. Not as serious as faking gold bars, about any official statistic out there, life saving medications or safety standard certificates but still some good indicators.

Fake waterfall.



Fake boulders.



Fake green color.



Attaching fake leave to trees, usually happens when a CCP bigwig is scheduled to roll up soon after.





Fake trees

 
expectation said:
They're training their kids for wars!

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The deep state, NIC/intell blob has rebranded and is increasingly pushing and relying on liberal types to push their war agenda, that guy above with the long hair looks straight out of 1968 Berkeley.

One of the most prominent anti-China activists:


"Ex-ClA" analyst gatekeeper Bustamente who is making the rounds on the normie/astroturfed vlog circuit, looking like he's about to hit a rave after his interview or fly to an ayahuasca retreat:

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Techbro MIC oligarch Luckey rocking the freedom mullet:

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It's funny how even Zuck is getting into it with his mini jewfro. He used to be a short-haired borg before, but has rebranded as a cool, individualistic, freedom-loving techbro.

It's a cultural repositioning, the messaging here is that we're a cool, individualistic freedom-loving people, while China is a straightjacket dystopia with fake trees/waterfalls/mountaintop boulders where you're not allowed to do anything. This rebranding works with the Boomers and neoliberals. and also appeals to the neocons. Ironically, that hippyish look and vibe used to be strongly associated with the antiwar movement from Vietnam on.
 
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Cooper said:
The deep state, NIC/intell blob has rebranded and is increasingly pushing and relying on liberal types to push their war agenda, that guy above with the long hair looks straight out of 1968 Berkeley.
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all I know is that this is Ian Crossland, a regular guest on Tim Poole, I remember him because of his hilarious rant where he makes all sorts of claims on Shenzhen on the border of Hong Kong - which I visit often.

Who is the target audience for Tim Poole? Has to be low IQ...



It gets better...their body parts are sold on taobao!

 
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Cooper said:
The deep state, NIC/intell blob has rebranded and is increasingly pushing and relying on liberal types to push their war agenda, that guy above with the long hair looks straight out of 1968 Berkeley.

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It's funny how even Zuck is getting into it with his mini jewfro. He used to be a short-haired borg before, but has rebranded as a cool, individualistic, freedom-loving techbro.

It's a cultural repositioning, the messaging here is that we're a cool, individualistic freedom-loving people, while China is a straightjacket dystopia with fake trees/waterfalls/mountaintop boulders where you're not allowed to do anything. This rebranding works with the Boomers and neoliberals. and also appeals to the neocons. Ironically, that hippyish look and vibe used to be strongly associated with the antiwar movement from Vietnam on.
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Things are getting out of hand with this hair stuff :)

 
Thucydides trap averted: China speed, dodgy data and the Houthis
As nations realize expeditionary navies are obsolete and catch up to China’s growth, realignment will be astonishingly speedy
From Han Fezi Asia times

Humanity may have lucked out. China speed, dodgy data and the Houthis may just have derailed the 21st Century Thucydides trap.

While Athens and Sparta careened unstoppably towards the Peloponnesian war, each powerless to arrest rising tensions, today’s Sparta should consider itself lucky: It cannot win the 21st Century Peloponnesian War and, as such, will not press for one.

The most consequential military development of the past few years – and there have been legion – is empirical proof that expeditionary navies are obsolete. China proved it in the South China Sea. Ukraine proved it in the Black Sea. And the Houthis (the Houthis!) proved it in the Red Sea.

Like the Blitzkrieg field-tested during the Spanish Civil War and Azerbaijan’s drone warfare against Armenia, recent littoral challenges against expeditionary navies will prove more consequential in a completely different theater. But in a good way – more to preclude future conflict than as a field test for future tactics.

Contrary to popular belief, China does not covet the South China Sea for mere scraps like oil, natural gas or fish. China is more than happy to negotiate with other claimants to exploit South China Sea resources. What China wants in the South China Sea are airstrips, missile sites, naval bases and electronic listening posts, extending the southern maritime security perimeter.

What China really wants in the South China Sea is a theater, far away from anything of real value (Taiwan, for example), to demonstrate US Naval impotence for all of Asia to witness.

China does not make a move unless strategic advantage has been established and escalation dominance is assured. China started large-scale island building in the South China Sea’s Spratly Islands in late 2013.

This was a declaration of two things:

that China was going to take its 9- (now 10-) dashed line claims seriously, and
that the PLA Rocket Force’s anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBMs) had been thoroughly tested and were deployed and operational.
Without a missile shield providing escalation dominance, the US Navy could have stopped island construction with the mere presence of a carrier strike group (CSG).

In 1996, before China could threaten American aircraft carriers, President Clinton sent two US Navy CSG into the Taiwan Strait as the PLA was conducting missile tests to sway Taiwan’s presidential election. Out-flexed by the US Navy CSGs, China’s intimidation tactics failed with President Lee Teng-hui, the despised “separatist,” handily winning reelection.

China developed ASBMs to prevent the US Navy from besting the PLA in future showdowns. Given the PLA Rocket Force’s missile umbrella over the South China Sea in the 2010’s, China was able to construct and militarize seven artificial islands unchallenged.

On April 22, 2022, Ukrainian fighters launched two R-360 Neptune cruise missiles at the Moskva cruiser, Russia’s Black Sea fleet flagship. It was the largest Russian ship to sink since WWII. The Moskva carried S-300F missiles which provided long-range air defense for the Black Sea fleet then bombarding Ukrainian positions.

Ukrainian fighters have subsequently sunk or damaged additional Russian ships and a submarine with a combination of missiles and naval drones. Russia has since relocated its Black Sea fleet east, from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk, largely taking it out of the fight.

In 2024, with the PLA Navy having grown from 255 to 400 ships over the past decade while the US Navy shrank from over 300 to 299 ships, China began aggressively enforcing its claim on an atoll occupied by a purposely shipwrecked Filipino vessel. China Coast Guard (CCG) ships harassed Filipino boats supplying the handful of marines stationed on the crumbling wreck.

The world saw dramatic footage of large China Coast Guard cutters water hosing and ramming small Filipino supply boats. In one incident, Chinese Coast Guard personnel boarded a Philippine supply boat and engaged in melee combat using handheld weapons. A Filipino soldier lost a thumb.

The US Navy’s response was to redeploy the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and its escorts from East Asia to the Middle East. This left the Western pacific without a CSG at the height of South China Sea tensions involving a US treaty ally. Thus it was revealed that 1) the US Navy was spread very thin and 2) the US Navy was not going to be maneuvered into a showdown with China’s brand-new navy and rocket force by the Philippines.

In May of this year, President Trump reached an unsatisfying ceasefire agreement with the Houthis after intensive bombing operations proved ineffective and were marred by mishaps. US Navy operations against the Houthis have resulted in the loss of three F/A-18 fighters (one to “friendly fire” and two to “accidents”), more than a dozen MQ-9 Reaper drones and more than $1 billion worth of ammunition.

The ceasefire fell well short of President Trump’s promise to “completely annihilate” the Houthis. The Yemeni fighters have only agreed to refrain from attacking US Navy ships. They have continued their operations against Israeli-connected shipping. The ceasefire neutered the US Navy in the Red Sea. They could be there. Or they could not be there. It doesn’t make a shred of difference.

That the Houthis fought the US Navy to a draw can only be seen as a humiliating defeat by Asia. Compare Japan (and South Korea/Taiwan/Australia) to the Instagram model who just watched her bodybuilder boyfriend get beat up by a skinny migrant worker.

According to press leaks, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby pressed Japan and Australia to clarify their intentions in a Taiwan contingency. Leaking Colby’s demand shuts down Washington’s pressure tactics by airing them to domestic political opprobrium in those countries. The leak was unsurprising given the US Navy’s less-than-stellar performances in the Red Sea and the South China Sea, demonstrating Japan’s and Australia’s lack of confidence in US resolve and capabilities.

Why would anyone commit to defend Taiwan if the US itself refuses to do so? Why would Japan and Australia commit to helping a navy that hung the Philippines out to dry only to get humiliated by the Houthis? China’s anti-ship missiles and drones are likely to be more effective than those used by the Houthis.

What we are witnessing is the US attempting to do hegemony on the cheap. Alliances in this situation are structurally brittle. Alliance partners want to free ride while a fading hegemon tries to buck-pass. When the hegemon has not demonstrated the resolve and cannot demonstrate the capability to shoulder all the costs, there is not much incentive for the hangers-on to help lighten the load. And without commitments from alliance partners to enter the fray, US resolve to go it alone is diminished as well.

The Thucydides trap theorizes that war is likely when a rising power challenges a dominant established power. The fear inspired by a rising power causes the dominant power to attempt to suppress the challenger, resulting in ever-increasing tensions and an inevitable path to war.

With this backdrop, many Western media reports on China begin with the stock phrase, “China, the world’s second largest economy .…” While this bit of data-delusion has hamstrung efforts to contain China, it could very well prove to have been a great boon for humanity, short-circuiting the Thucydides trap with its every utterance.

Vaclav Havel said China’s economic rise was so fast that “we had not yet had time to be astonished.” Calling China the world’s second largest economy is a media tick that the West has yet to abandon. Any proper accounting of China’s productive and consumptive powers results in an economy twice the size of the US (see here).

Taking liberties with the UN System of National Accounts, China has flown under the radar, delaying the moment of proper Western astonishment. China is no longer the rising power but the established power. All efforts to contain China from tech sanctions to trade wars to media slander have been ineffectual if not counterproductive.

China’s manufacturing sector is twice that of the US in exchange rate terms and three times that of the US in purchasing power parity terms. On most indices (i.e. top journals, citations, patents), China’s scientific and technological output is well above if not multiples of the US and increasing exponentially. China’s human capital pipeline is a juggernaut, producing 6-8 times the STEM graduates as the US.

Ancient Greece was not dealing with an Athens suddenly twice Sparta’s size. The Peloponnesian War could very well have been averted if Athens rose so quickly that Sparta “had not yet had time to be astonished” and we would never have heard of Thucydides because his “History of the Peloponnesian Peace” would have been a tedious snoozefest.

Over the past few weeks, modern Sparta appears to be coming apart at the seams. Japan angrily denounced American efforts to dictate its defense budget. South Korea elected a China-leaning president. Spain’s intelligence agency awarded its communications contract to Huawei. The French Parliament produced a report pushing the EU to realign with China. Brazil will explore building a transcontinental railroad with China.

When nations realize that expeditionary navies are obsolete and their breath catches up to China’s astonishing growth, the speed of the realignment will be just as astonishing. It will resemble nothing short of a rout.

This should benefit everyone involved, from put upon Europeans to the bonsai-ed Japan and South Korea (see here) to LGBTQIAS2S+-ed Taiwan (see here) to Legalist Qin-esque PRC able to finally relax into its Confucian Tang-esque form. Most of all, it will benefit the United States of America, which can finally come home, circle wagons, lick wounds, plant trees and recover from eight decades of shouldering the costs of hegemony.
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Thucydides trap averted: China speed, dodgy data and the Houthis - Asia Times

You may say I’m a dreamerBut I’m not the only oneI hope someday you’ll join usAnd the world will be as oneJohn Lennon Humanity may have lucked out. China
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What's really important with the Chinese AI and their open source model is that they blew up the top-down, rent-seeking, "eye of sauron" business model of the oligarchs who were planning on hoarding AI, people like Sam Altman, Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison etc. This would have been the ultimate control tool.
 
Cooper said:
What's really important with the Chinese AI and their open source model is that they blew up the top-down, rent-seeking, "eye of sauron" business model of the oligarchs who were planning on hoarding AI, people like Sam Altman, Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison etc. This would have been the ultimate control tool.
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Can you provide evidence of this? I tried deepseek and it's censored. I guess if chinese AI is going to solve engineering problems for free as opposed to Elon's Gook pricing model it's a good thing but they're developed by private companies as well. I fear the Chinese will not allow me to get the low down on the jews and they will paywall the engineering answers I desperately crave.

Is there any commitment to neutrality and being open source from the Chinese?

The issue for them is the Chinese are doubling down on global trade and I'm not sure their AI saying "blacks are monkeys according to IQ testing" is going to be beneficial for prosperous trade with the new frontier in Africa.
 
^You can download the original unfiltered Deepseek code and run it from your own server. If you want more details, you should ask on the tech board.

More private AI companies, from China or elsewhere, means more competition and lower prices on one hand, and no centralized control on the other, win-win. The model OpenAI was going for was a monopolistic one similar to that of Microsoft Office, or at least one with a handful of big players selling their services, that model has been blown out of the water.
 
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LaAguilaNegra said:
The CCP propaganda arm pays foreign influencers and actors to manufacture these silly videos. In return for a significant amount of shekels they are required to say a few scripted lines and get placed in a scripted setting surrounded by other actors. It's a well known formula and it has been going on for years. Gives a peak preview in the Chinese inferiority complex: to convey a message a handsome young White American man gets picked over native English speaking Asians any day of the week.

Chances are a camera team will run into this fella in Chongqing whilst he mantrically and with dead glazy eyes drums up his lines. He'd be in good company: PPPeter, Drew Binsky and Bald and Bankrupt all went before him. I am willing to take bets on whether Ishowspeed will also turn up in Chongqing.


Video made by Serpentza ripped by a Chinese spokesperson. Hilarious stuff.
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Remember when half the top YouTube travel vloggers in the timespan of barely a few months popped up a in exactly the same city, at exactly the same apartment building, walking to exactly the same spot, hanging over exactly the same railing, saying exactly the same lines?

That was fun and happened by cohencidence. Or at least that was the verdict of Chief Chang Copelord Lil Coop, who for the subsequent 2 pages engaged in the most embarrassing damage control ever seen, trying to deny the undeniable.

Well, prepare for more cheap CCP propaganda slop. Serpentza and laowhy86 are in possession of an email sent out by recruiter Yu Chen, who is an employee of the talent agency Winterwhale. In this email Yuchen invites content creators on several platforms to participate in a fully paid trip to Suzhou, Shenzhen, Shanghai, Handan and Beijing as part of the 2025 China Global Youth Influencer Exchange. Content creators from over a hundred countries are invited on this trip. To be eligible content creators have to be under 35, have a following of at least 300 000 and have a clean past.

The set up is to co-create with Chinese influencers that have a 1 million plus following. All expenses are covered. Participants are required to make two videos with designated Chinese content creators. Participants must love China and Chinese culture. During the 10 day trip content creators will visit tech hubs, a BYD factory, the Little Red Book/Red Note HQ and more.

So yeah, the word is out. It's all fake. Paid and set up tours to several Potemkin villages to create a faux perception of China, not unlike the fellow travelers of the 60s. Prepare for a deluge of CCP propaganda material filmed by gullible and giddy Westerners once the material is ready. You have been warned.

Relevant part starts at 4:50.


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Beijing woos US influencers with free trip to show ‘real China’

The programme marks an effort to boost cultural exchanges between China and the US. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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Cooper said:
Debt to GDP ratio in China is 63%, within the range of industrialized countries, lower than the UK, France, higher than Spain, Italy.

China Household Debt: % of GDP, 2007 – 2023 | CEIC Data

China household debt accounted for 63.3 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Mar 2023, compared with the ratio of 61.9 % in the previous quarter.
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Anyone with a bare minimum of knowledge on China and its shenanigans, or economics in general, knows that China has shifted the debt burden onto local governments and state owned companies. Chang way of dealing with reality, cooking the books is kinda the norm over there. Goal is to fool the public and investors & creditors, both foreign and abroad.

In short, China is built on a mountain of debt and wobbly real estate investment. More recently China has gone into massive debt to prop up its stock market and is now going into even bigger debt to prop up its economy. Neither are built to withstand volatile markets and rapid population aging and decrease.

The Chinese markets are unstable - much more than the US', and need constant 'stabilizing operations'. Protip: if your economy needs stabilizing operations it was never stable to begin with. That’s the cost of an economy built on ghost cities, fake data, and CCP lies. Unfortunately the world’s catching on, and no amount of forced buying can stop the long unwind.

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LaAguilaNegra said:
Remember when half the top YouTube travel vloggers in the timespan of barely a few months popped up a in exactly the same city, at exactly the same apartment building, walking to exactly the same spot, hanging over exactly the same railing, saying exactly the same lines?

That was fun and happened by cohencidence. Or at least that was the verdict of Chief Chang Copelord Lil Coop, who for the subsequent 2 pages engaged in the most embarrassing damage control ever seen, trying to deny the undeniable.

Well, prepare for more cheap CCP propaganda slop. Serpentza and laowhy86 are in possession of an email sent out by recruiter Yu Chen, who is an employee of the talent agency Winterwhale. In this email Yuchen invites content creators on several platforms to participate in a fully paid trip to Suzhou, Shenzhen, Shanghai, Handan and Beijing as part of the 2025 China Global Youth Influencer Exchange. Content creators from over a hundred countries are invited on this trip. To be eligible content creators have to be under 35, have a following of at least 300 000 and have a clean past.

The set up is to co-create with Chinese influencers that have a 1 million plus following. All expenses are covered. Participants are required to make two videos with designated Chinese content creators. Participants must love China and Chinese culture. During the 10 day trip content creators will visit tech hubs, a BYD factory, the Little Red Book/Red Note HQ and more.

So yeah, the word is out. It's all fake. Paid and set up tours to several Potemkin villages to create a faux perception of China, not unlike the fellow travelers of the 60s. Prepare for a deluge of CCP propaganda material filmed by gullible and giddy Westerners once the material is ready. You have been warned.

Relevant part starts at 4:50.


www.straitstimes.com

Beijing woos US influencers with free trip to show ‘real China’

The programme marks an effort to boost cultural exchanges between China and the US. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.
www.straitstimes.com www.straitstimes.com
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Maybe I missed it in this suddenly energetic thread, but have you personally visited China?

Lets not pretend that Bald isnt a stooge and good only for mild entertainment... remember his 'im dying of covid take the vax' video and his more recent 'I just happened to visit Ukraine at the same time as heads of state in a place where evil Russians killed babies' video. He is a muppet of the highest order, there is no debate.

I went to China. Its good. Better than the EU. I would say better than *much* of the US. Freedom is the only thing that matters and I welcome debate on if the EU/US is getting better or worse on this subject..

I was surprised, and frankly saddened by how far we have fallen, but despite this, it was bloody nice to not get stabbed and have my phone stolen on the way to the hospital. We would do well to consider our own failures and strive for ethnostates equal to China to balance this. If we dont, China becomes the global steward and replaces America. This may have already happened.

EDIT: No Chinese paid me money to post this. I would love to have seen the BYD factory, their cars are awesome for their purpose.

EDIT2: I am trying to import a F-150 to Poland, strongly suggest Trump apples 100% tariffs till I can get a proper truck.
 
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