Also you see it in the Balkans a lot where women get into relationships with loser guys. Guys who are broke, do not have a proper job, drink a lot and smoke weed, cheat on them, treat them badly, etc. If they are dumb enough to date loser guys then it is there own fault that it does not work out. I really have no sympathy for these whores.
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Already have lived there. That's why I ask.
I'm more interested in skin in the game takes than abstract deliberating.
How long ago did you live in Poland, how was it and what would you recommend it as a place for foreign men to live? And what is the wife hunting situation like there for foreign men?
Being shy and self conscious is not the same as introversion. The former stems from anxiety, whereas the latter is a natural preference for greater solitude strongly influenced by genetics. So yes, this behavior can stem from different things.
There are confident introverts who just don't like to talk much as there are shy extroverts who babble to calm their nerves. This shyness thing is not normal in Western societies and I'm convinced it's come about through our modern atomized lifestyles with social media, pornography, etc. And it's not exclusively a Western phenomenon as well.
I just did some googling and saw that pretty much the only cities in Russia where the temperature stays above zero the whole year are Sochi and Yalta (if you decide to include Crimea as now being part of Russia). There are other cities that have warm summers and Springs but the temperature dips below zero (degrees celcius) in winter. Even those to cities drop to zero or near zero (degrees celcius) in the coldest winter days which is still too cold. The only way I could see myself living in Russia is if I lived the 6 months a year and spent the other 6 months per year in warmer countries. I hate the cold unless I am going skiing, snowboarding or trekking in the mountains I prefer to avoid cold weather if possible.
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Take it to PM. Stay on topic.
Believing the hype that teaching English online is a viable longterm career choice, assuming they can keep US-based remote jobs, assuming a job will “just work out” despite preschool levels of fluency…
There are many opportunities for small businesses, though, but you *have* to be fluent in Russian.
If you had $250k USD, would you:
A: build a $250k 2 bedroom house 1.5 hours away from Moscow
Or
B: live comfortably for at least 5 years while learning the language and country, buying a modest fixer upper and investing in starting your own business or real estate
Critical thinking is in short supply and many people are trying to sell you something, especially if you’re not used to self sufficiency.
Pretty much
I’d add:-Make the Church and spiritual life the center of your relocation goals; this will pay so many dividends
-Start learning Russian ASAP. Aim for B1/B2.
-Network among Russian communities where you live now. Many people go back and forth, and they are a wealth of information and connections. Usually there’s an older American guy who married a Russian woman in the 90s/early 00s and he’s been investing in real estate or other businesses.
-Consider a back and forth strategy vs all in
-Get relevant documents like birth certificates and marriage certificates apostilled in your state. Doubly so if you were born in another state than you reside in and it’s a time consuming process. They don’t expire.
There are too many massive generalizations in your questions mate. For example I specifically understood I could meet women in Albania because I recognized there was a niche of very bored introverted women there. But you made the massive generalization that no Albanian women will date a foreigner. It is not true. I know another guy who went there and met a girl. You just have to meet ONE girl to undermine all of these generalizations. Including in your home country. Ok if you are seeking a very attractive 20 year old virgin that is less likely. Anywhere. Why not set an attainable goal like a non promiscuous women with decent values?
Very true. In addition, keep in mind that some EU and US based companies won't let you work from Russia. Part of the reason Russians left Russia when the war started was to be able to keep their remote jobs.
There are many IT sector jobs in Russia for Russian companies, but, as you said, you better learn Russian. The typical "yo no hablar espanyol" approach to foreign languages probably won't cut it.
As much as I hope their family pulls through this, I think everyone should take their story as what a family should not do. Russia is not the US. They seem to be finding that out the hard way, unfortunately.Believing the hype that teaching English online is a viable longterm career choice, assuming they can keep US-based remote jobs, assuming a job will “just work out” despite preschool levels of fluency…
There are many opportunities for small businesses, though, but you *have* to be fluent in Russian.
If you had $250k USD, would you:
A: build a $250k 2 bedroom house 1.5 hours away from Moscow
Or
B: live comfortably for at least 5 years while learning the language and country, buying a modest fixer upper and investing in starting your own business or real estate
Critical thinking is in short supply and many people are trying to sell you something, especially if you’re not used to self sufficiency.
Pretty much
-Make the Church and spiritual life the center of your relocation goals; this will pay so many dividends
-Start learning Russian ASAP. Aim for B1/B2.
-Network among Russian communities where you live now. Many people go back and forth, and they are a wealth of information and connections. Usually there’s an older American guy who married a Russian woman in the 90s/early 00s and he’s been investing in real estate or other businesses.
-Consider a back and forth strategy vs all in
-Get relevant documents like birth certificates and marriage certificates apostilled in your state. Doubly so if you were born in another state than you reside in and it’s a time consuming process. They don’t expire.
Looking at what they did via their youtube channel... they could've been poor and unemployed anywhere in America and be better off. They could've relocated to Northern Michigan with better results. The mom couldn't figure out how to homeschool in Texas... so moving to Russia where they have no family or friends or work, don't know the language at all, is the obvious answer to their problems...? The whole scenario is really odd...
The ideal way to move abroad, imo, with a family is if the husband is working with an international company/business and can be relocated to the desired country's branch. That way the company helps/takes care of most of the visa/residency issues and any legal issues that come up. Some companies even give housing stipends or have corporate housing that employees can rent at lower prices.
I just finished going through the Russian holiday visa process. It's a fuly automated online process. They ask a whole gamut of questions from standard personal data to social media accounts, intentions while travelling and former military training. I assume the visa process for the US is somewhat similar, based on what I've heard.
Generally the Russian visa process mirrors exactly what is asked of Russian citizens when they go abroad to those respective foreign countries.
If Russians are asked 100 questions to get a US visa, they will ask the same 100 questions to US citizens to get a Russian visa.
Believing the hype that teaching English online is a viable longterm career choice, assuming they can keep US-based remote jobs, assuming a job will “just work out” despite preschool levels of fluency…
There are many opportunities for small businesses, though, but you *have* to be fluent in Russian.
If you had $250k USD, would you:
A: build a $250k 2 bedroom house 1.5 hours away from Moscow
Or
B: live comfortably for at least 5 years while learning the language and country, buying a modest fixer upper and investing in starting your own business or real estate
Critical thinking is in short supply and many people are trying to sell you something, especially if you’re not used to self sufficiency.
Pretty much
-Make the Church and spiritual life the center of your relocation goals; this will pay so many dividends
-Start learning Russian ASAP. Aim for B1/B2.
-Network among Russian communities where you live now. Many people go back and forth, and they are a wealth of information and connections. Usually there’s an older American guy who married a Russian woman in the 90s/early 00s and he’s been investing in real estate or other businesses.
-Consider a back and forth strategy vs all in
-Get relevant documents like birth certificates and marriage certificates apostilled in your state. Doubly so if you were born in another state than you reside in and it’s a time consuming process. They don’t expire.
If you truly make the Church and spiritual life the center of your life, you could be happier wherever you are. It does not HAVE to be Russia except out of some slightly autistic black and white thinking that one has to be in the 'right' 'good' place.
If it's about women, about adventure, about cultural exploration that's a different thing. But those things bring you closer to social media influencer/passport bro than God.
This is generally true but there are certain circumstances where it is spiritually beneficial to move.
For example, a lot of guys here talk about the difficulty of finding a good Orthodox wife in the US. If you know that it will be easier in Russia or elsewhere, and being celibate is really harming your spiritual life, then it could be beneficial for you to move.
However, this requires discernment, and discernment only comes with humility, and humility only comes from a rich spiritual life in the first place. In my opinion, one should only consider making such a move after entirely turning one's will over to God.
Also to move with your entire family requires even more justification because now not only your life depends on that decision, but your wife's and children's as well.
I think there's definitely nuance in everything. Passport bros generally look for quick sexual pleasure and validation from women. Thus, they travel to places like Thailand or Latin America. This isn't actually the same as going somewhere to look for a potential wife with a European cultural background and desirable long term partner traits.
Influencers tend to use their personal brand to generate content and income. Meanwhile people on Christ is King are enquiring about visas, job opportunities, requirements, safety etc. Years of planning, asking, doubting, evaluating, reconsidering etc. go into these moves. That's not quite comparable to an influencer going on an adventure for clout, likes and attention.
Yes and also Microsoft and Citrix and other Western based cloud (?) programs are not used, especially since the sanctions. They use Linux based programs. Sorry I don’t really know a lot about IT stuff but that’s been an issue for some people.
Absolutely and ya it is weird to me too. “Wherever you go, there you are” comes to mind. I’m happy Magoo linked their video in the first place, because I followed up with several expats and found out the following:
- Hoffman’s: the family in the video above with father in the Russian military. He can’t read Russian, signed a contract for military, was told he would be a “news reporter” or put in a repair battalion. Took less money than promised under the guise of “he will be able to choose where he goes”. They indeed spent all their money on their house in the American Village. Their builder was short 20% because of currency exchange issues and while that wasn’t technically their problem, they didn’t fight contract apparently. They were left with an unfinished yard and other work undone. Wife spent $900 USD in the last month on taxis, they have no money for a car, father’s military pay is at least 2 months delayed, they are accepting food donations. I would not be surprised if they are deported or something because you have to show proof of funds to migration office periodically. They actually don’t even have temporary residency yet, so they’re still on visa. The overall consensus is that Istra is an upscale dacha community with no close-by amenities or jobs, and an unsuitable destination for new expats. They’re on telegram under HuffmanTime
- Russian Ark Family: a couple days ago, he posted an update saying that basically he is disappointed by lack of help from government and the discrimination he faces from employers (probably because he doesn’t speak fluent Russian, also because he doesn’t have a RU passport) despite having residency permit. “I even submitted a petition detailing the discrimination we’ve faced. Nothing came of it. If we cannot secure employment or meet the income threshold for a family of our size [7 people], we may lose our right to remain… Is Russia truly an ark, or has it become a cruise liner only for the rich and influential immigrants?” They purchased a small, old 2 bedroom home in the Yaroslavl countryside in a small village, bought an economical van, seem to live pretty frugally. If they can’t make it, it just shows the entire premise of moving to such a location is unfeasible. They have a Youtube and Telegram channel under this name.
- Russia: The American Dream: older, single IT guy moved to Russia. Found a Russian wife around his age. Had a bunch of visa issues from a name typo. Lost remote IT job, tried English teaching, didn’t seem to work out, works odd jobs or night sales online. Barely getting by. Has permanent residency, but without speaking fluent Russian, this doesn’t help. Doesn’t have experience with Linux, and this is majority of IT jobs in his speciality. He is also older, and feels he faces age discrimination. He has a YouTube channel under this name.
- Original Danish Family: they don’t have an online presence as far as I know. They were one of the original families that moved out to Rostov Veliky (Yaroslavl) region from Denmark. They moved to Russia because the wife was placed in a CPS group for drug addicts while pregnant because they had icons in their home. I heard from another expat that is moving back to America that they also moved back to Denmark.
- Unnamed Family: they don’t have an online presence, they were just a family who was part of expat group. I spoke with wife and they are moving or moved back by now to the US. They had 4-5 kids, older teenagers, no fluency in Russian, bought or built an expensive home for the region (again, countryside dacha village in Yaroslavl region), had difficulty selling it, used their life savings. She felt deceived by the entire experience, the prominent advocators of moving to rural Russia, etc.
Here is one, maybe success story:
- Home in Russia: Schutzman family, Catholic family of 7 from Kansas. They have been in Russia for about a year. They seem to be spokespeople for the Nizhy Novgorod region in some capacity (there is a push to make this an immigrant friendly city, and finds favor from those who know St Seraphim of Sarov’s prophecy). I think they must have a lot of background support or seriously large savings $$$. They travel and take vacations around the country a lot, very put together presentation and videos. The father apparently just got hired by a Russian IT company and marks the first time I’ve ever heard of a recent expat get a real job. He says there’s many former IBM and Microsoft people there and they’re working on new projects. So perhaps he is good at adapting and is more skilled at networking and presentation than others. I don’t think they are affiliated with the whole American Village thing, and note they moved to an actual city not the countryside.
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Whoever leads these people to financial ruin and destitution should be ashamed. People have emigrated there since the 1990s and managed, there’s a lot of great things Russia has to offer, but the ones shilling stuff now made it without all the “help” they’re claiming is needed.
Here is an example of the fear-mongering that leads people to make rash decisions (besides political reasons). I’m not sure it’s satire, but this kind of stuff is mentioned as actual reasons for leaving the West all the time:
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I don’t know, it just seems really nuts to me, and on some level regarding longterm trends I agree with them…
That's insane if true about Denmark, but I am really skeptical.
Anyways, the common theme in all these failures is that they don't speak Russian. That makes them no better than the Mexicans here who don't speak English and expect to get hired (which they do, but there is no liberal sympathy in Russia).
The only way you can make it in this case is to not rely on the local economy. For example, you can become an independent contractor and work online with American or European clients. Probably best to start your business before moving though.
No one can predict the future. The general trend is positive in Russia and in the US is downhill but it's not going to collapse overnight (most likely).
If you plan on or think you might move to Russia in the future, start learning Russian now. As an English speaker it is not easy to learn. This will make life a lot easier if/when you make the move.