I think this topic and the video brings up very important concepts. I saw it a few months back on some video reels and it was interesting because it was accurate. I generally don't identify with the shame topic, and apparently it is big in certain upbringings and certain personality types. I got turned off of listening to Fr. Stephen Freeman, who has a lot of good and interesting things to say in general, when he would talk about "shame" and experiences with it. It made no sense to me - perhaps because it seems like a feminine concept or something to utilized on women that we don't do anymore. As far as missing the mark, when I do, I don't like it and try to think of ways to not fall into the trap or repeat it, but I almost never feel "guilt" or "shame". I think this has a lot to do with other concepts I have brought up, mostly insecurities from less than stellar upbringing.
"The devil really doesn't care so much about making men fall into lust, and that may be kind of a surprising statement to a lot of people, but if you fall into lust there's always repentance Christ gave us the gift of repentance and so we can live out our repentance more fully. The demon knows that, so the demons what they really want is not to make men fall into lust but to fall into Despair. And that's the shame that we want to conquer, they want to make us fall into despair so that we stop seeking Christ altogether we really want to avoid that."
Yes, they want us to continue in the path of sin so that we act like it's normal, or "ok" or "What's the point?" and keep it going. Despair, in general, is general indifference, lack of faith or trust in God that things will be for the good of all, and worst of all an inversion of ego that isn't all that dissimilar to inflated or puffed up ego.
Given some of the blackpilling that's been happening on the forum, I recognize now that this has merely been an expression of despair, at the state of politics, economics and the world.
A portion of this is true. The real question lies in discerning where and how the game is rigged, though. If you are putting that amount of effort into gaining that knowledge, you likely aren't "giving up". It's like the women thing on the forum;
that is actually far from black pill, since you technically don't need or really have to deal with them, if you don't want to (even though you may have to deal with your T or lust from time to time). Every man ultimately has to work though, so he can't really give up. But he can realize the ROI on women and give up on them, and to be honest, that might be a rational decision at this point. Not working at all really isn't.
Finding this video has been a timely reminder to stop myself from wallowing in self pity over things I cannot control, but to continue to pray and work on the things I do have control over.
Yes, that is an important lesson. People forget that although we have freedom, there are constraints in the world.
The church has failed to maintain its authority and unfortunately we have clergy trying to explain away all social ills using flawed logic. When is the video for slapping the stupid out of a woman to curtail the slut apocalypse coming out? Oh right, that’s politically incorrect.
It just came to me, how to best explain this situation, and I would point to Fr. Alexander Schmemann who noted by the 1970s that the western world he lived in, at least (perhaps most places around the globe) had been overcome by the confusion of secularism and dividing the "sacred" and profane." While the Church is the rudder, we still have this problem of separating the religious, which is largely confined to the weekends, and then going back to the secular, which seems separate though it shouldn't be. This is due to the loss of community and industrial, city living, in general. Of course, it also has to do with the change in life to efficiencies and food production. Whoever is to blame, women were set loose on society and only a small number of us are either willing or able to talk about it. It doesn't help that until the big bad government goes broke, there won't be any change.
He then suggests the “alpha male” concept is toxic masculinity. Womanizers are toxic, there’s nothing toxic about wanting to establish order in your community. Luckily for us he was vague here too.
These are just fly by night comments to try to take eyeballs away from internet personalities and get people to focus on Christ and more humble living. Let's be frank: we all know most of this is BS, and I think you know as well as I that it's far more about the population boom and lots of average people seeking a lot of the same things, which is impossible.
The fact is, you overcome lust by getting married. The issue for young Christian men is that there are slim pickings. And so most of us are embroiled in an extremely difficult struggle.
Precisely.
I think the public addresses ought to address the cause. Isolating it so that you are just addressing the suffering men perpetuates a notion that there is something wrong with these men. There is nothing wrong with them. They just can't find a woman because women in the modern world are completely corrupted.
This is the bigger topic I've said that is just never spoken about, and I think it's the biggest problem. Sandalwood I think agrees, so I'm just saying on the other topics, if the Father doesn't have that much courage, you're just gonna get these other talking points that seemingly are addressing something for men, but in reality are doing them an overall disservice since they are secondary effects of the no good/no young/fat women. I'm surprised Fr. Josiah hasn't broached this topic.
I think some of the trouble is that even marriage can fail as a solution. I know it didn't help me any in overcoming lust, I had to attack my porn addiction head on. I made the mistake of thinking, by being married, I wouldn't desire it, but boy was I wrong.
While things like modern sexuality in your face, porn, and reckless people can foil modern marriage, the marriage thing also fails more often due to raising women up to be what they are. Even average, normal women of this era (for this era) still have been raised as career gals and more, mostly. That's usually not going to be the most harmonious thing when pairing with a man.
So the only purpose to marriage is providing opportunity for sexual outlet. What about men who suffer from lust but can't find a wife (like many westerners)? Well, sucks for them.
No, marriages is for a lot of things, obviously for sex, family formation, and proper rearing of children. It's just another form of life, in many ways an inducer of humility for the man. It can be for the woman but I don't see this as much anymore, but I do see it in the older generations.
Sadly, most of modern western life can be (whether right, wrong or point of view) summed up for most people as "sucks for them." A lot of that has to do with expectations, though, and not being honest about who and what they are, and what they've achieved that might be commensurate to getting X in life or girl Y.
I think the desire for legacy is #1 for a man, to be honest, and then sex is 2, but the two are obviously inextricable. The reason I say sex is 2 is because, just like women who generally aren't all that interested in sex, men after dealing with most of women's nonsense and her not being new or novel anymore, will not care much about the sex part as much as the children part.
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